Hi!

I am looking for someone who tries my ogg vorbis player on his/her P800! Feedback is welcome. Did it work for you? Did something unexpected happen? Have a look at:

http://www.geocities.com/p800tools

I appreciate any constructive comments.

Cheers!

Hi Wollmilchsau,

I have installed your OggPlay program and have tried an Ogg file.

It played the file fine. I will use your program for a while and see what quirkes I can find for you.

I hope you don't mind, but I've also put a post on www.my-symbian.com about your program.

Matt.

Hi,

I downloaded it and installed then went to look for files but did not find any Media files Audio, I did find something under :-

http://www.vorbis.com/music.psp

but these files are all 4-6 MB why would I want to use a player with files this size, I thought they were half the size of MP3.

please give a link to some small ogg files so that we can appreciate the benefit of using this file type.

thanks and regards

@Wollmilchsau

Here is a link to the thread on www.my-symbian.com

http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=45604#45604


@gazcart

Or do what I did and make your own Ogg files with the free tools available from the www.vorbis.com site.


Regards,

Matt.

http://www.symbianopensource.com - if you plan to publish it as opensource.

Keep it up :D

This looks really good. Will instal tomorrow and give you some feedback. I'll post on the front page about it tomorrow too. Just doing a very quick ctach up before cathing up on sleep. Have had 6 hours in the last 2 nights thanks to pub meet and exposium.

Rafe

wow i never used ogg untill now.... im amazed... im doing 64kbps oggs for my 16mb :( duo... and i find it to be almost as good as 112kbps mp3's.... thanks for bringing this great app to our p800's and best of luck in getting the next features ready

This looks really good. Will instal tomorrow and give you some feedback. I'll post on the front page about it tomorrow too. Just doing a very quick ctach up before cathing up on sleep. Have had 6 hours in the last 2 nights thanks to pub meet and exposium.

Rafe

We're eagerly awaiting a comprehensive Exposium review. :robot:

Just downloaded Audio Conversion Wizard.. Is this good? :) Man, Changing my entire 80gig collection in ogg vorbis.. whew.. I think what Ill do is change only the songs that I will listen too and put them into temporary folder and just go through this process everytime.

Great application by the way!!

very cool!

Looks like competition on the Ogg vorbis front, YEY!

wow i never used ogg untill now.... im amazed... im doing 64kbps oggs for my 16mb :( duo... and i find it to be almost as good as 112kbps mp3's.... thanks for bringing this great app to our p800's and best of luck in getting the next features ready

Which converter are you using? I tried using audio conversion wizard, but I cant seem to get good quality. When I made it down to "2".. @ "5" the file size was a lot bigger than my 92 kbps mp3s :(

im using oggdropxpd from www.vorbis.com ... quality -1 (45kbps) (due to the fact i only have 16mb msd so far... will use 64kbps later on)

I cannot copy ogg files to audio directory. Do I need the new OC suite?

The P800/Suite doesn't recognise Ogg files as being audio files.

The way I got my Ogg files in the right place was to copy them to "documents\unfiled", then use filemanager to move them to "audio\unfiled".

You can put the Ogg files in any directory below "audio" on c or d, according to Wollmilchsau's site.


Matt.

im using oggdropxpd from www.vorbis.com ... quality -1 (45kbps) (due to the fact i only have 16mb msd so far... will use 64kbps later on)

It doesnt seem to accept MP3's :( Only wav..

The P800/Suite doesn't recognise Ogg files as being audio files.

The way I got my Ogg files in the right place was to copy them to "documents\unfiled", then use filemanager to move them to "audio\unfiled".

You can put the Ogg files in any directory below "audio" on c or d, according to Wollmilchsau's site.


Matt.
I just copy the files I want (in explorer) - then I paste 'em in the audio dir using PC File manager (from epocware.com). http://se-p800-software.epocware.com/PC_File_Manager.html

Wollmilchsau /Wilden
Bloody brilliant! Finally a player for a format that that can shave off a couple of KB with out sounding like a tincan underwater.

First some points about ogg:
Ogg is the container and Voribis the format.. but as everyone calls vorbis, ogg. I’ll just stick to it.
Grab oggdrop for simple drag and drop endcoding http://www.vorbis.com/download.psp
There are a lot of things that can be said about sound quality, but on a phone we have to compromise somewhat.. the 2 quality setting is fine for our purpose. Its “about” the same as 92Kb/s or about a 128 Kbs mp3. Twice the compression of mp3 music simply doesn’t sound good.. but about 30% smaller at the same quality is more realistic. On speech (audiobooks) ogg can do some amazing stuff in mono tho, pretty close to half the size of mp3.

The Player:
No stability problems encountered during testing and no errors on decoding the stream.
Possible improvements could be:
Player only “lock” mode :
Controlling the player with the scroll wheel, up down volume, back/forth prev/next track in skip forward. If possible even with the fillip closed and keylock on (ie just like a normal walkman)
Other, some obvious stuff like:
[list]*Playing mono at the right speed, smurfs are cute.. but pretty annoying after a while ;)
*The faster the better as the cpu then eats less battery and we can encode at higher bitrates.
* I havnt got any calls yet.. but end / start after ending a call would be nice (if its not here).
*A resume at last position.. great for audio books with 40+min of playtime in one big file.[/list:u]

The P800/Suite doesn't recognise Ogg files as being audio files.

The way I got my Ogg files in the right place was to copy them to "documents\unfiled", then use filemanager to move them to "audio\unfiled".

You can put the Ogg files in any directory below "audio" on c or d, according to Wollmilchsau's site.


Matt.
I just copy the files I want (in explorer) - then I paste 'em in the audio dir using PC File manager (from epocware.com). http://se-p800-software.epocware.com/PC_File_Manager.html

I used a card reader to copy the songs. I cant seem to convert MP3's to Ogg using Oggdrop.. Is this for wav to Ogg only?

convert MP3's to Ogg using Oggdrop[/b].. Is this for wav to Ogg only?

I am using dMC from http://www.dbpoweramp.com/. You can set the compression rate and still retain the tags. You may want to try this, it's free BTW. :D

Thanks :) will try it out :)

Thanks :) will try it out :)

when you have installed the software, try to right-click an audio file and you will see in the pop-up task window, additional task allowing you to convert the audio file to different format, without actually opening the dMC software. Just to remember to install the various plug-ins so that the software can recognize the format you want. Most plug-ins are also freeware. :angel:

Well, this piece of software is a blessing...The playback quality is perfect even at lowest quality encoding...

And file sizes are good enough for 16Mb'ers...(most songs end up being in 1-1.5 mb range)

Goodbye MP3...

Thanks a lot....

If you can avoid it, dont EVER convert mp3->ogg as both mp3 and ogg/vorbis use destructive compression.
You will end up with a sound stream that first has all the compression artifacts of mp3 AND the added ogg artifacts. If you let ogg work with a original CD/wave stream things will sound a lot better as the software:
A)has more data to work with
B) has the correct data
Using a CD you can even go as low as the 0 setting on oggdrop (64kbs)sand still have a decent stream for a p800

If you can avoid it, dont EVER convert mp3->ogg as both mp3 and ogg/vorbis use destructive compression.
You will end up with a sound stream that first has all the compression artifacts of mp3 AND the added ogg artifacts. If you let ogg work with a original CD/wave stream things will sound a lot better as the software:
A)has more data to work with
B) has the correct data
Using a CD you can even go as low as the 0 setting on oggdrop (64kbs)sand still have a decent stream for a p800

I agree with SPF. Unfortunately, a lot of people have already amassed :evil: tons of mp3s (like me). IMHO, conversion is still bearable.

enterprise,
dMC does rock for conversion :) thanks for the pointer

enterprise,
dMC does rock for conversion :) thanks for the pointer

Glad to be of help.

I like the free Ogg player so much.
Serveal point to note: (as a beta tester)

1. It won't play file with chinese title.
2. Does not support Jot dial to adjust volume.
3. It seems take a lot of processor power.
Because it will play when in background, but every action will cause
music suddently stop and back again for a while.

:D Thanks for the free player.

just downloaded and tested version 0.3 beta of OggPlay! and i have to say that its coming along quite nicely.. if the developer is here: is it possible to give OggPlay! a higher priority so that you can switch throu apps and write/send sms'es and such without the playback skipping/pauseing all the time?

otherwise, superp program that is improving rapidly! thanks for the effort!

Thanks, another great version :)
Volume control at last!!
Wilden, great work. Any chance you will port the rest of the container for video streams as well?

From the page:
http://www.geocities.com/p800tools/
0.3:

* Bugfix: The player does no longer reject files with special characters in their filenames (äüö etc.)
* The jog dial can be used to set the volume during playback. If no song is playing the jog dial can be used to select the next song as before. That means all important functions can now be accessed by the jog dial.
* The time played and the total time of a song is displayed in the upper right corner.
* The playlist can be shuffled (see menu item "Shuffle playlist")
* The title, album and artist information is displayed, if availabe

Doh!
I thought I had a problem with v0.3 and my P800 'til I tried the volume control! It was set to the lowest volume by default!

Z.

Ps I found a great util for converting from MP3 et al to Ogg. It's called 'one-click Audio Converter' by Streamware Development. You just click on one file (or a batch) and select convert to Ogg.

I was just wondering what kind of playtime you get when using oggplay. Is it just me or is it better then the normal media player? (could be that I run the volume a bit lower)

Another update. I think the version numbering is kinda missleading.. it way more usable then the media player allready.

0.4:

* Bugfix: In V0.3 the volume setting was itialized to zero initially and there was silence until the jog dial was pushed up a few times.
* Bugfix: The support for audio files other than 41Khz stereo is now really working (the fix which went in 0.2 apparently didn't work).
* Bugfix: Some ogg files suddenly stopped playing or did not play at all. This is due to an error in the ogg stream. The player is now more tolerant and continues playing even if it encounters an error.
* Making the GUI sexier: Display small CD/album-icon next to the album name, and a microphone icon next to the artist's name.
* Pause the music at incoming or outgoing telephone call, and resume afterwards! (this one drove me almost crazy...)
* Stuttering of the music when other tasks are active is somewhat reduced now (not perfect).
* PLEASE GIVE ME FEEDBACK IF THERE ARE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE NEW FEATURES

Wollmilchsau,

I just wanted to say thank you. I'm really enjoying this player, can't wait for the FC controls. I now have 40 music tracks which only takes up about 70MB of space on my 128MB DUO.

Keep up the good work man. :D

Cheers!

How'd you get 40 into 70Mb?
I've got 29 tracks (varying lengths) down to 90Mb from 124Mb

I use 64kbps Ogg which equals about 112kbps MP3. When I rip from a CD to Ogg, most of my tracks are around 1.7MB in size, that's how.. :D

I find this software; http://download.com.com/3000-2140-10196390.html
to be really good and easy when you wan't to rip music from a CD straight to Ogg.

And encode some 3min radio techno crap instead of 8min badass Metal songs. ;)

I use 64kbps Ogg which equals about 112kbps MP3. When I rip from a CD to Ogg, most of my tracks are around 1.7MB in size, that's how.. :D

Most of mine are still 3Mb+
I'll play with winLame some more and see if I can get the sizes down (they're down by 30% already)

chris,
The vbr 1 (or about 64kbs) setting on ogg is prol the only thing to change.. ogg handles the filtering internally from what I understand.. unlike lame mp3 where you can tweak a lot more. I tried some converting to 22050Mhz but the sound quality degraded far to much compared to the gains in compression. The best bet was to convert the stream to mono if things really needed small size.
If you want to compress audio books you can first tweak the wave source with a noise gate that sets the volume to 0 if it drops below a certain level. Correctly done it silences the gaps between two words and gives ogg a good chance to save space.

And encode some 3min radio techno crap instead of 8min badass Metal songs. ;)

Hmmm, was that directed to me? :D

I prefer the badass metal songs though! :evil:

i'm using ogg @ 45kbps bitrate, and i think the sound is superb (considering its 45kbps!!).. it sounds like my extremely well customized and encoded mp3's (lame 3.93.1) @ 80-90kbps. I currently have 14 ogg's in my P800 (1-1,5mb each), and i have the 16MB DUO.. i also have Opera, Fuel Manager, Handy Day/Dates/Safe, Tracker 1.01, Full Screen Pictures, OggPlay! 0.4b, and some more apps installed (+ about 50 pics).. and still i have 2075kb left on my internal phone memory :)

cant wait till i get my 128MB DUO, then i'm gonna use ogg at 64kbps (approx. 112-128kbps mp3 quality, dont need better on a portable device anyway).. i reckon i could get quite a big collection of music in there, + all the apps and games i want..

http://www.geocities.com/p800tools/

changes to 0.5:

- A simple flip-closed mode support has been added. Everything works just like in flip-open mode. In addition the jog dial can be used to select the previous or the next song in the playlist.

- Reclaim the sound device after it was stolen from us, i.e. resume the music after an SMS arrived or an alarm went off etc.

- Tipping on a song will automatically start playing it. No need any more to press STOP and then PLAY.

- Bug fix: Track titles with certain special characters in it would not display correctly.

- The (new) program icon now has the same size as the other program icons. Looks better.

First of all, I should say that this application is fantastic. It has made my P800 100% more useful!

I wanted to report "issues" with 0.5 (which is the first release I have had any problems with):

- It seems that flip closed mode is achieved by running in flip open mode and then closing the flip. I think it would be more normal behaviour to allow the user to run up themselves in flip closed mode. It should also be possible to press the loop back arrow key to jump out of the app.

- Once in flip closed mode... if the phone is called, the application disappears from view. Once the call is complete, the player retakes control of the sound, but is not re-displayed. Unfortunately, it is then impossible to get back to Oggplay in either flip open or closed. I use "Switcher" to terminate OggPlay - but this causes the whole phone to crash - thank you and good night! :D

My phone is on R1D version of the firmware :cry: . Does anyone else have these issues - I don't want to add more junk mail to Leif's inbox!

Other than that - as I said - what a fantastic application.

@timlips:

Agree with all point:

a.) Player is absolutely great.

b.) I do have the exact same problems.

But with the big improvement from version to version, I am sure, V0.6 will have dealt with most of the issues.

Regards,

Michael

Hi,

has anyone noticed an increase in battery usage from v0.4 to v0.5?

My battery seems to run down faster when using v0.5 of Oggplay compared to v0.4.

Z.

First of all, I should say that this application is fantastic. It has made my P800 100% more useful!

- Once in flip closed mode... if the phone is called, the application disappears from view. Once the call is complete, the player retakes control of the sound, but is not re-displayed. Unfortunately, it is then impossible to get back to Oggplay in either flip open or closed. I use "Switcher" to terminate OggPlay - but this causes the whole phone to crash - thank you and good night! :D


This can easily be sorted out. Just set OggPlay's hotkey to the "power" button for example, and just press that while in flip-closed mode to bring oggplay back into focus :)

great app thank you very much

could add a zoom function (zoom out) to make font smaller.

Also could you possibly add the folder option like on the p800s mp3 player, so you can just play an entire album.

Also personally I prefer Artist/album/track rather than the other way around, and no icons showing (looks better without them) or instead of icons have small font saying Artist/album/track (would look nicer)

please note that these are just my observations, I think the app is absolutly fantastic

please keep up the great work

Nigel

sorry and I think the 'note' by each track would be better without it if possible

could the track have a different colour when playing? say blue? (instead of the note/etc icons

that would be nice

could the track have a different colour when playing? say blue? (instead of the note/etc icons

that would be nice

it has that anyway

I mean as the track changes the track name colour changes (subtle) not highlighted

Ps

Ogg is now my favorite P800 app

OggPlay 0.6 available now @ http://www.geocities.com/p800tools/

-Hey, wazzap spf?
-I'm listning to ogg, get off the line!
-eh... what!?
-Ogg vorbis!! now quit yapping!!
-damn puter geek.. ;)*click*
-aaaah.. Pantera.. .

no nokia 3650 support :( :(

Just converted 46 mins of standup comedy 6MB.. sounds spot on.

any chance you could post that ogg file (the standup)?

Sounds excellent!!!

BTW,

No need to go overboard with improvements of GUI (maybe a simple skin would do). The other ogg player was a bit too graphical.

BTW, any chance you could add some kind of visualization?

For those of you lucky enough to have Cool Edit Pro 2, you may not be aware that there is a ogg vorbis filter available that you may find handy:

http://www.vuplayer.com/other.htm

I've been suffering some skipping especially in flip close mode, and even more if I turn on the screen saver so it will be great if this problem will be fixed. Its very irritating.

Accela I found this aswell I turned the phone on and off and its been fine!

Im not sure which app its not getting on with though as it hasnt done it since?

It skips whenever the cpu is used by another application, I think.. But, thats as far I can go. :(

I'm speculating now...
But when the flip is closed symban prol changes the priority of programs to "phone mode".. from what I understand flip closed support is pretty much a good hack as there's no fc APIs. Another thing might be that its not possible to change the priority to a higher setting with out getting sluggish response from the phone on other important things.

Yes, everything is good with 0.6 except the sound skips whenever you have other operations on the phone (even when the screen change to screensaver or energy saving mode).

0.7 is released http://www.geocities.com/p800tools/

0.7 is released http://www.geocities.com/p800tools/

Looks really nice, good improvements. I would still go for UnrealPlayer however, since I don't like converting all my mp3's to ogg first :-?

Nice! I don't mind converting, but the skipping and limited functions still bug me, most importantly, does it still skip? I'll install it later, gotta eat. :D

Yes, it still skips.

More nice stuff :) I never tought I'd bother with gui stuff... but the vorbis fish is just cute.
A minor thing that I've noticed though. Files encoded without a info tag doesn't show in the play window. If there's no tag the file name should be displayed imho.

The start in flip closed mode is nice, but after a couple of minutes playing the screen goes back to the standard screen. The only way of getting ogplay back is to go trough FC apps menue, open flip starting won't respond. Its a bit like the old out of focus bug/assign to a short key.

I've noticed a bug in this new version of OggPlay. When OggPlay is closed, and I start it with the flip closed, and then open the flip and switch away from OggPlay to another application, when I then try to switch back to OggPlay it won't display at all. The only solution is to have OggPlay assigned to a key(i.e. the browser button), that's the only way I've found possible to access OggPlay in flip open when I start it from FC. This problem doesn't exist when I start OggPlay in flip open though.

This might be a little poorly explained, but I hope someone understands. Please check if the same thing happens to you. It's possible that this is just a case of Tracker and OggPlay not working well together..