here the news from The Register
with both pen and keyboard input but no pictures

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/68/33568.html

i'm soooooooooo very curious how it looks :D

Simply brilliant!

Keyboard & pin input! I love both! :D

As I read today, the new communicator should be available in May 2004. My P800 warrenty will run out by then, perfect timing :D

Can't wait !

So it's Hildon instead of Hilden?
Can't wait...

You betcha!:D

I dnt care wat it looks, coz im sure as hell that it wud be great!
and as long as it stil has d full size keyboard! & all the other cool features & ups wed bin dreamin of havin, rest asured its gud news for most of us!:D :D

Any news thus far?

Hopefully at this press release (http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,47549,00.html) at 11am CET :) Just a shame I'm in a course then.

Rafe and Ewan should be there to give us the lowdown ;)

Well, is there another event we can look forward to another announcement? Or that's it?

Well, that was the biggest anti-climax of the century... P900, here I come.

Well from what ive heard from a Nokia guy is that the new communicator "THE NOKIA 9500" will be announced in Dec 1st week. It looks a bit like the Psion Revo, Will of course have bluetooth, GPRS, Touch Screen + Keyboard & also will have a WiFi + what already has been mentioned above.

& the release date is May 2004... was actually April...but not anymore..

Hope all this is true though... cause th communicator has to have a keyboard... i dont like the 7700 at all...

Regards

HyPeR

If this were true, it is perfect for my purchase cycle. And if the new UI is Series 90, that's great PLUS all the supposedly features mentioned.

I guess, I won't have to run for the P900 just yet :D

Originally posted by HyPeR
Well from what ive heard from a Nokia guy is that the new communicator "THE NOKIA 9500" will be announced in Dec 1st week.

The Norwegian website ITAvisen has a confirmation from a real, live Nokia executive!

http://itavisen.no/art/1302175.html

For those of you who do not read Norwegian (a minority I'm sure :-) ) here's a summary:

Head of Nokia Business Applications, Marko Luhpala says that Nokia is working flat out on the new communicator, and it will be ready soon. He refuses to give details, but confirms that it will be in the same style as the 9210, i.e. able to replace the laptop for many people.

He also says that the communictor series is a cornerstone product for Nokia, but that they perceive the 92xx to be different than PDA type phones like the P800/P900. He also says that as 56 million in western Europe have their phone paid by their companies this is a important market for Nokia and they want a range of products for this market.

But he does not give any comments on actual features of the phone.

Arild

Do I understand it correctly that he doubts that there will be WiFi? That it consumes too much battery power?

What is EDGE? :confused:

EDGE is a different modulation technology based on [E]GSM/GPRS & gives roughly 3 times the bandwith/speed of GPRS data.

Some call it 2.75G, if GSM & CDMA are 2G, GPRS is 2.5G and UMTS/WCDMA/IMT-2000 & CDMA2000 are 3G.

thanks :)

Originally posted by LAuRA
[B]Do I understand it correctly that he doubts that there will be WiFi? That it consumes too much battery power?

Hm, if that's true, they're going to be at a disadvantage with respect to PalmOS & PocketPC devices. Some of the newer machines on both platforms have it built-in, or addable via SDIO or CF. A machine without WiFi's going to have a hard time being accepted in the US, where Bluetooth's less widely used. Leaving WiFi out now would be like leaving out GPRS & Bluetooth in the 9210 - something that would definitely raise eyebrows, & not in a good way.

A lot of the original 9000 & 9110 machines were chosen by sysadmins & savvy users who wanted to log in & do stuff on their networked machines. Nowadays, I can't help but think that 802.11 is something that the current generation of sysadmins would demand. Bluetooth isn't designed to replace WiFi, & leaving the latter out of their top business handset/PDA sounds like a bad idea to me. Plus, if they're touting the new Communicator as a modern notebook replacement, surely some sort of ethernet connection is pretty much a requirement (even if it's only a plug-in ethernet card as an add-on)? Mucking about with a Mocha client connected to a slaved, networked PC via third-party software just doesn't cut it in comparison to rival products (for startes, it means you ned to have a computer there already, which sort of defeats the object of the exercise). Couldn't they just have the WiFi switch-offable, like IR or Bluetooth?

Alternatively, here's an idea: has anyone manufactured a pocketable, battery-powered Bluetooth-WiFi bridging hub yet? Something along those lines would probably work OK.

Incidentally, if LAuRA's right in her translation, then looking at the article, I guess we can forget the idea of internal GPS as well. A shame, but not as big a loss as WiFi would be.

Or maybe the 9310 won't have it, but the 9310i will...

Originally posted by CharlieBrown
Well, is there another event we can look forward to another announcement? Or that's it?

Kip ur cool man!
Have faith in what u make!:D :D :D

Is there another mobile event happening in New York anytime soon? Could this be the event?

if the 9210 was and still is the greatest phone ever created i wander how the new one will be!!
anyone got new news

whoooaaaa!!!!! At long last!!!!! ive been trying to find a phone to replace my 9210 but just cant seem to fine a good one....well if there really is a new communicater, I cant wait to get my hands on them.........

any new info ppl??

At last....can't wait for its release!!!!!

Eh?

future new communicator user here!!!!!:D

U can add my name to that list of buyers!

WOW WOW I can't wait!

Huh? What's up with this? Any news?

how bout this article from allaboutsymbian site itself
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/devices/viewarticle.php?id=52
Looks very promising

Folks, you should all know by now that you should never, ever, EVER believe Andrew Orlowski has the Communicator inside scoop. He's been trying to predict this, and been wrong every time, for two years now. From that latest piece:

Nokia has eschewed pen-based phones, believing that without a keyboard, phones should be operated with one hand. (It's conceded the principle only in Asia, where writing characters is faster than typing them).

Ahem (http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,47550,00.html).

Sorry folks, but the Nokia Roadmap for 2004 does not show a new communicator, only Nokia 7700 Series 90 stuff:

http://www.nokia.com/BaseProject/Sites/NOKIA_MAIN_18022/CDA/Categories/AboutNokia/Press/NokiaMobileInternetConference/_Content/_Static_Files/leeepting-nmic-03.pdf

I think I might even consider the 7700, but the idea of putting it on my ear sideways seems so ridiculous... Maybe with a headset...
I think I'd take the white one :)

Originally posted by quint
Sorry folks, but the Nokia Roadmap for 2004 does not show a new communicator, only Nokia 7700 Series 90 stuff:Don't expect for a second that Nokia would publish their entire device roadmap for the whole upcoming year in october of the previous year. Nokia introduces tens of different phone models each year (or has for the last few years, at least).

That roadmap only covers those particular models announced at that particular event.

Nokia has already this year announced a couple of additional models not on that presentation (which means there a still something like 20-30 to come, I suppose).

One of the recently announced is the recent 6620 Symbian/Series 60 phone for the U.S. market.

The next events where (or right before them) new phones are often announced by phone manufacturers are 3GSM World Congress in February in Cannes, France & CeBIT in March in Hannover, Germany.

There's no certainity about anything. Bear in mind the Symbian predictions I made are just that - predictions.

That said I'd be suprised if we didn't see something from Nokia this year. Afterall it is kind of a whole in their corporate strategy at the moment.

Rafe

Originally posted by Rafe
....That said I'd be suprised if we didn't see something from Nokia this year. Afterall it is kind of a whole in their corporate strategy at the moment.

Rafe

Last year I have the same point of view like you have. The commi was a little bit younger, but there was the same "need" to release a new unit last year. I hope for Nokia, that they will release the new commi. If not i will change to SE and to the fantastic P900.

http://www.mobile-review.com/news.php?year=2004&month=February&day=16&language=en

i've checked it through gamma manipulation
and it seems to be a clumshell
my guess its the new communicator

I can't see a device with a QWERTY keyboard in the link you provided,so no.

Don't shoot me if I'm wrong, but wait another 5 days ... :D

Then there's the question of whether they announce both of them at the same time.... (ducks)....

Rafe

So there's still 2 "twists" on the communicator due then? They'd better bloomin' hurry up with the release, I've got the money burning a hole in my bank account and I want it yesterday dagnammit.

Nokia are slow and lazy pokes.

To me if they hurry up and release a new one
before the end of this year, I would surely be surprised
if not.

They have all the time in the world, and their not putting emphasis on the communicator series. Instead they are improving their cheap worthless 6, 7, series which no one buys these days.


·awyeah·

Originally posted by awyeah
Nokia are slow and lazy pokes.

To me if they hurry up and release a new one
before the end of this year, I would surely be surprised
if not.

They have all the time in the world, and their not putting emphasis on the communicator series. Instead they are improving their cheap worthless 6, 7, series which no one buys these days.


·awyeah·

awyeah,i think Nokia will prove you wrong pretty soon ;)

BTW:The Symbian 6 and 7 Nokia Series as you call them are really good devices,some people might even say topnotch.

I hope too see the look on your face ghostdog, when
Nokia as you say will prove me wrong. :D
I like arguing with yeew, heh you reply quick.

Geez, I wrote such a long reply, I know people
wont bother to read all of it heh, but what the hell.


Add me on msn, ghostdog or if anyone wants to talk
to me I mostly on there, rather than posting and etc stuff
my msn: awyeah@awyeah.org

If you like the address, dont ask *G*. I am special.
Add it in it works, no I'm not lieing.

As for topnotch I think the most expensive ones
can only be classified as topnotch :)


·awyeah·

I don't want to get off topic but i payed 700 euros for my 7650,i think that is pretty topnotch ;)

I don't want to make you feel said, but I think you paid too much for it, honestly.

In malaysia, KL you can buy it for 1500RM (ringitt) brand new
with full package and 1 year warranty from zitron. The 7650i
think now, 7650 is out of production almost as the 9210.

So converting it, it would be worth $400 USD. In guess it is less than 700 euros and thats a too much higher price to pay.
Europe is expensive as well as the products, after converting them into my currency.

Only if you were in finland, then you might have gotten a better bargain. For 700 EUROS I can buy a new 9210i communicator.

I bought my communicator for 1800RM, the full new package, 1 year warranty and including everything from cd's to the cable and manual, leather carrying case (strap) and hands-free.

The market price is 2300-2400RM. Now you may ask why I got one so darn cheap, and with a difference of 500RM. The answer is simple my friend works as a dealer in one of phone companies here and he got me the best cheapest deal around, all brand new.

I bought it 1.6 years ago and it was a pretty good price for a SIM free 7650 then.There is no such thing as a 7650i.

Lets get back to the original subject.I was browsing the net for some more info on the new Commi and quite a few people are speculating what the new Commi will feature:Symbian OS 7.0s
- 640x320 screen, 16-bit
- GPRS + EDGE
- MMS
- Bluetooth
- Wi-Fi
- camera (hopefully a bit better than VGA)
- some sort of GPS
- ARM926 CPU @ 150 MHz or more
- 32 MB or more internal drive
- 32 MB or more RAM
- support for either MMC or SD, but without the 128 MB limit
- triband
- non-3G (???)
- same clamshell form, but smaller and more "streamlined"
- still a second screen for phone available "outside" (hopefully color)
- stereo sound + multimedia (MPEG4, MP3, Real)
- Opera browser.


Will it be announced on 3GSM or CeBIT? ;)

Well it seems impossible to fit all this stuff into
one complete package, including the previous
functions.

So if they do it, the phone size would be
more heavier and battery will be more bigger
as well. Then they would have to reduce the
chips and IC's sizes to more smaller ones
to give optimum performance.

Some features you missed out are:

- 65k Internal Display LCD (PDA) color screen
- A more wider (bigger) internal display screen
- A better TFT-LCD screen
- A more bigger external color display (phone) screen
- Polyphonic ring tone support
- MIDI file playback support
- Better enhacned key sizes on the keyboard
- More options in the phone preferences and settings
- Better speakers
- Touch Screen
- New Symbian OS
- HSCSD
- MMC Dual slot
- USB Connectivity
- EMS
- T9TM and multi-tap
- Handwriting recognition
- Voice Dial Support
- Different colored casing, dark blue + silver style maybe. (newer outlook)
- Different colors of light on the outside phone display screen, such as dark blue (in 3315) etc. (currently is mercury - light blue)


+

The ones you just mentioned.

- GPRS + EDGE
- MMS
- Bluetooth
- Wi-Fi
- integrated digital camera (video recorder)
- some sort of GPS
- ARM926 CPU @ 150 MHz or more
- 32 MB or more internal drive
- 32 MB or more RAM
- support for either MMC or SD, but without the 128 MB limit
- triband GSM
- non-3G (???)
- same clamshell form, but smaller and more "streamlined"
- stereo sound + multimedia (MPEG4, MP3, Real)
- Opera browser


If nokia are able todo it, I would certainly say
that they have acheived a goal, but for now
time will tell.

I would then say the communicator lacks no
application, and is the eleetest phone on the
face of this earth. And every fackin person
should buy it, kthx!

Hi All,

just to keep everyone's speculation positive - BBC News 24 had an interview with Jorma Ollila (Nokia CEO) last week who talked about Wi-Fi incorporated mobile phones being released this year - if it's not the new Communicator, the what else could it be?

I reckon CEBit.

ill get it as long as it has a keyboard;)

when is cebit or any other conference?

and where can i get the latest information on it?(when it starts)

http://www.cebit.de/

- 18th March.

Dont forget 3GSM next monday:

Nokia Press Conference in Cannes (http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/press/cannes) with link to live webcast 30 minutes prior to the starting time at 15:00 CET.

Nokia at 3GSM World Congress 2004 (http://www.nokia.com/3gsmworldcongress/index.html).

A contest called "Who makes the best Communicator" from a German Magazine.

This is a concept design they came up with,or is it? ;)

Funny that they have changed Infrared for this new tech called INFRAROT! I mean whats that for? rotting passers by brains?

I guess its German for Infrared :p

Very nice looking fone, but phone-side looks exactly like 6650. Maybe It is 3G-fone, but I don't think so yet.

Well only one day!!!

And Infrarot is infrared in Germany for sure

I hope, the phone
has the features I listed in my posts above.

The phone picture attached doesnt have the
same outlook and its a mix copy of a 6 series
phone and the 9210 phone.

The buttons also look old, and there black
instead of silver even.


-awyeah-

not bad!

not what i excpected though;)

This (http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/article/0,13005,901040301-593491,00.html) seems to confirm that the communicator is definately being anounced at Cannes.

I'll be watching this space then tomorrow... :cool:

9500?

i would have prefeerred it to be something like 9310

:)

i cant WAIT

You will have to.Most likely the new Commi will be released at the end of this year.

From Finnish newspaper "Aamulehti"

(Sorry for the bad quality, someone else maid the first scanning...)

Nokia 9500 first photo (http://koti.mbnet.fi/anttisaa/Images/9500-1.jpg)
Nokia 9500 second photo (http://koti.mbnet.fi/anttisaa/Images/9500-2.jpg)

BT
WiFi
Camera
TriBand
222g
Outer like series40v.2 (128x128 colorscreen w/ 3 soft-buttons)

Nice pictures, like the inside... the button
styles espescially and screen is a bit bigger!

Dono why theyve changed it to black!

Though im not impressed with the outside
of the phone could have been better!

Did they tell the release of the phone
in the news paper? Can I find the article
on the web maybe?? If in english anywhere??!


-awyeah-

The screen indicates it will run Series 80.Could there be more then one Communicator?

Better picture.

BTW: A google search for "Nokia 9500" resulted in a Nokia Satellite Receiver.Do you think Nokia would give the same name to some other of their products even if it was totally different?

Another picture.

Here are a few images of the Nokia 9500 Communicator that will be announced today:

http://koti.mbnet.fi/anttisaa/Images/9500-2.jpg
http://koti.mbnet.fi/anttisaa/Images/9500-1.jpg

http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/kuvat/iso_webkuva/1076152006318.jpeg

Tero

In a weird case that you hadn't noticed, main features of the 9500 Communicator are the following:

- Tri-band (900/1800/1900 MHz)
- Symbian OS 7 and Nokia Series 80 platform
- GPRS/EDGE data access
- Integrated Wi-fi (802.11b) adapter
- Bluetooth
- 80 MB internal memory
- Camera
- Email, web browser etc.


Tero

ebo,I merged your thread with this one so we can keep the discussion compact and easy to access,i hope you don't mind

Originally posted by GhostDog
ebo,I merged your thread with this one so we can keep the discussion compact and easy to access,i hope you don't mind

Of course I don't mind, I just didn't find this earlier thread myself. :)

The live webcast from the press conference is scheduled to start in a few minutes. Go to www.nokia.com -> Press -> Calendar -> 3GSM Cannes.

Tero

Webcast (http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/press/cannes)

Press Release (http://www.nokia.co.uk/nokia/0,,28358,00.html?press_release_id=http://press.nokia.com/PR/200402/935462.xml)

Photos (http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,8764,33325,00.html?appId=9500)

slightly off the point but just watching the web cast = I hear alot of talk about push to talk but what exactly is it and how does it work?

Originally posted by pasa
slightly off the point but just watching the web cast = I hear alot of talk about push to talk but what exactly is it and how does it work?
Pusb to talk is kind of a VoIP over GPRS solution that enables for example company employees or other groups to have a quick access to talk to their group members a bit like with radio phones. This solution also includes access and deny lists, address books and other advanced services.

Push to talk is not only Nokia's technology, instead there will be an OMA (Open Mobile Alliance) standard in the near future which should make Push to talk phones from different manufacturers compatible with each other.

Tero

ok I see so its a bit like the fast chat app that you can buy for symbian phones except its built in to the phone. So you could use fast chat for now I think and then you can talk to PC's, phones and PDAS

NOKIA PRESS RELEASE February 23, 2004

Nokia launches new enterprise-class Communicator

The Nokia 9500 Communicator extends business mobility as leading IT
vendors offer new solutions and support


Cannes, February 23, 2004--Nokia today renewed its commitment to
enterprise mobility with the introduction of the first in a series of
new enterprise-grade mobile devices designed for corporate customers.
The new Nokia 9500 Communicator is one of the first cellular devices
on the market designed to meet the demands of corporate IT
departments for customization, manageability and security. The tri-
band device supporting E-GPRS (EDGE) and Wi-Fi 802.11b is expected to
be available in volume during the fourth quarter of 2004. The price
(unsubsidized) of the Nokia 9500 Communicator is expected to be
around €800 in Europe.

With the announcement of the new enterprise-class communicator
series, Nokia's recently formed Enterprise Solutions business group
evolves the company's portfolio of business-optimised devices to
include a full range of differentiated devices.

"Nokia understands mobility better than anyone," said Mary McDowell,
Nokia Enterprise Solutions' newly appointed senior vice president and
general manager. "The Nokia 9500 Communicator combines our knowledge
of enterprise customer needs and critical usability issues with our
expertise in mobile connectivity and security, resulting in the first
mobile device that enables fast and universal access to corporate
services, and is backed by proven application and software support
from leading IT vendors."

Key Functions and Features
Like its predecessors from the first Communicator family, the Nokia
9500 Communicator takes the most popular office solutions mobile by
bringing e-mail, personal information management, with PC
synchronization, browsing, vertical enterprise applications and even
document, spreadsheet and presentation creation into the pockets of
mobile professionals, allowing them to effectively utilize their time
while on the road. Other features of the sleek 222-gram (7.83 oz.)
device include:

Tri-band GSM capability (two variants: 900/1800/1900 MHz and
850/1800/1900 MHz)
GPRS/EGPRS (EDGE)
Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11b
Symbian Operating System 7.0S Platform with J2ME Personal Profile
environment
In-built VGA camera & Multimedia messaging
Bluetooth audio and data support
USB connectivity (Nokia Connectivity Cable DKU-2)
80 MB of free user memory
Two color (up to 65k colors) displays with
640x200 pixels, Series 80 User Interface
128x128 pixels, Series 40 User Interface
E-mail support: POP3, IMAP,
Email: IMAP4, POP3, SMTP, SyncML
Security: SSL/TLS, Ipsec VPN
Browsing: HTML/XHTML, HTML 4.01, JavaScript 1.3
Office tool support: documents, spreadsheet, presentations

Also unveiled were the Connectivity desk stand for convenient
charging and synchronization with a compatible PC, the Mobile Holder,
which firmly holds the Nokia 9500 communicator in place in the car,
and the Antenna Coupler, which provides a connection to an external
antenna. For personalization, optional color covers are expected to
be available.

Interoperability and Compatibility
Compatible and interoperable with existing IT infrastructures, the
Nokia 9500 Communicator supports remote management using over-the-air
provisioning, PC tools for device management, and customization
capabilities. It also provides IT managers with a cost effective,
easy-to-maintain and frequently updated device base, easing
maintenance and deployment. Based on the Symbian operating system
7.0, JavaTM Personal Profile and MIDP2.0, the Nokia 9500 Communicator
series offers developers a well-known and respected foundation upon
which to build innovative solutions, facilitating forward
compatibility with future members of the new enterprise Communicator
family.

Secure Mobile Connectivity
The Nokia 9500 Communicator supports a broad range of standards-based
security solutions. Data traffic can be effectively secured by a
variety of standard Virtual Private Network (VPN) solutions. For
example, the Nokia Mobile (VPN) solution - consisting of the Nokia
Security Service Manager and the Nokia Mobile VPN Client - integrates
with existing corporate infrastructure and extends the use of IPSec
VPN to mobile devices. Additionally, Symantec plans to provide unique
firewall and antivirus protection with advanced over-the-air update
features. The Nokia 9500 Communicator also supports other key
security features such as device lock and Secure Socket Layer (SSL)
encryption for web-based applications.

Broad IT Industry Endorsement
Leading corporate information and communications technology vendors
are already endorsing and/or supporting the new Communicator series
with applications and software built especially for the new platform.
Nokia's close collaboration with these vendors will provide corporate
customers with best-in-class solutions that enable them to mobilize
business processes, and make effective and secure remote connections
to their existing IT infrastructures.

Companies that have already committed their support for the Nokia
9500 Communicator series include:

Cap Gemini Ernst &Young -@Anyplace Mobility Offerings
Cisco Systems, Inc. -Wireless LAN infrastructure interoperability
Computer Associates -streamlined management of mobile devices
Fujitsu -IT services and solutions provider
HP - mobile printing solutions
IBM - IBM's WebSphere Everyplace software offerings optimized for the
Nokia Communicator
Oracle -Access to Oracle Collaboration Suite - email, files,
calendar, web conferencing, faxes etc.
SAP AG -intends to investigate opportunities for SAP® solutions for
mobile business arising from Nokia's Communicator platform
Symantec -mobile device Internet security solutions, including
firewall and antivirus

Global Developer Support
Forum Nokia, Nokia's global developer program, offers multiple
resources to support developers in building enterprise applications
for the new Nokia 9500 Communicator. SDKs available at launch include
Nokia Communicator SDK 1.0 Beta for Symbian OS 7.0s, Nokia
Communicator MIDP SDK 1.0 Beta for Symbian OS 7.0s, and Personal
Profile Plug-in 1.0 Beta for Nokia Communicator SDK. Developers also
can access more than 20 relevant white papers and documents covering
topics such as migrating both existing Nokia 9200 Communicator
applications as well as existing Series 90 applications to the Nokia
9500 Communicator and guidelines for enterprise development. For more
information and downloads of these resources visit
www.forum.nokia.com/9500.

About Nokia
Nokia is the world leader in mobile communications, driving the
growth and sustainability of the broader mobility industry. Nokia is
dedicated to enhancing people's lives and productivity by providing
easy-to-use and secure products like mobile phones, and solutions for
imaging, games, media, mobile network operators and businesses. Nokia
is a broadly held company with listings on five major exchanges.

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I still can't figure out whether or not it has a touch-screen. Anyone found something on that?

Originally posted by Delta737
I still can't figure out whether or not it has a touch-screen. Anyone found something on that?

Don't think so. "Input method: Phone keypad + full QWERTY keypad"

It will support MMC just like the old one, which is good.


But hey, there is no FM radio! :( :D

Been checking out the specs and pics, one big question is -

Why isn't this Series 90?
It seems strange as this is meant to be Nokia's big push into the corporate market but they don't base it on the latest GUI?

I know the 7700 is a media centric consumer device and therefore not aimed at the same market but the it seems a step backward? (Preumably they have given the series 80 a backported facelift from series 90?)

I suppose it means there will be no touch screen, but will it also mean that media support (MP3, Mpeg4 etc) will not be as good and I will have to choose betweenthe 9500 for 'serious' office based applications or the consumer media friendly 7700 instead of having the best of both worlds?

Jago

Jago,that is why Nokia phones are the best sellers.If they made the 9500 perfect,it would destroy the market.This is what the 9210i should've been in the first place.Series 90 and a touchscreen would've made it perfect.

Thats what Im talking about Ghost!

way toooo goo babeh!@#$#%%^&


-awyeah-

what about vibrator? any mention anywhere or did i miss it???

dont tell me they forgot to put in a vibrator?

outlide looks suck!!!

im not too imopressed with it.maybe i need for details.

maybe this would have been a better deal.

The 9210 didn't have vibra,so i'm guessing this one won't have it either.

It wouldn't be a Communicator without a FULL QWERTY keyboard.

im lovin it:eek: :eek:

it looks amazing and i love the screen

actully i love everything

now that its announced 2 questions pop im mind

1.when?
2.price?

i love that it has 2 screens 65000 colors and that it plays mp3

nokia say 4th quarter 2004

i ll be dead by that time

80 mb wwwwooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooww
now thats memory

lighter and smaller
comparsion (http://www.nokia.com/phones/comparephones/compare_results.jsp?location=EMEA&language=EN&pageaction=COMP&phone=9500&phone=9210i)

1.Like you said,Q4 if its not delayed.
2.800 Euro Sim Free.

I love it too,i just wish it had a touchscreen but apparantly it has some sort of a mouse like pointing device that Nokia reffers to as the "rocker" key so i'm half pleased.

Series 80 UI Style Guide (http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/1,,040,00.html?fsrParam=3-3-/main.html&fileID=4396)

can u confirm the price?

also its a shame they removved the antenna

i sorta liked it

OMG! 800 Euros is predictably too much
for a product which hasnt been yet launched
into the market, 1000$ USD.

I will surely, and definately buy it and get rid
of this shitty 9210i since that is out.

I don't think that phone has a vibrator its
such a heavy phone 250gms anyway how
would it vibrate!

When will they introduce it into the market?
Most likely when is it gona be availiable in
ASIA, singapore, malaysia etc regions.

I hope it stands up to the mark of the P900.
The P900 has dual mmc slots by the way.
But still this new one would support more
than 256mb cards or likely anyway. So memory
is not to bother about.

The only thing is I don't like the outlook, I thought
it would be more stylish. The PDA interface looks
good but from the outside I don't like it.

First of all every company has replaced black color
by silver, as we can see old tv's were black now all
new electrical devices, tv's, cd players, portable cd
players, cell phones are in silver. The era for the black
color has ended. While nokia has introduced black color
again in the new commy.

Ismail:
The antenna was of no use anyway, so it's better they
removed it. It had no function on signal strength it was
just taking up space and, just used for a decoration
piece thats all!

I think its okay if there is no touch screen. Touch screens
are very delicate as well, and as this phone has a full
keyboard interface, there is no touch screen needed.

The sonyericssion phones such as p800 and p900 have
touchscreens because they don't have a fully navigational
keyboard.

Here are the key features, revived from the press release:

Key Functions and Features
Like its predecessors from the first Communicator family, the Nokia
9500 Communicator takes the most popular office solutions mobile by
bringing e-mail, personal information management, with PC
synchronization, browsing, vertical enterprise applications and even
document, spreadsheet and presentation creation into the pockets of
mobile professionals, allowing them to effectively utilize their time
while on the road. Other features of the sleek 222-gram (7.83 oz.)
device include:

Tri-band GSM capability (two variants: 900/1800/1900 MHz and
850/1800/1900 MHz)
GPRS/EGPRS (EDGE)
Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11b
Symbian Operating System 7.0S Platform with J2ME Personal Profile
environment
In-built VGA camera & Multimedia messaging
Bluetooth audio and data support
USB connectivity (Nokia Connectivity Cable DKU-2)
80 MB of free user memory
Two color (up to 65k colors) displays with
640x200 pixels, Series 80 User Interface
128x128 pixels, Series 40 User Interface
E-mail support: POP3, IMAP,
Email: IMAP4, POP3, SMTP, SyncML
Security: SSL/TLS, Ipsec VPN
Browsing: HTML/XHTML, HTML 4.01, JavaScript 1.3
Office tool support: documents, spreadsheet, presentations

Also unveiled were the Connectivity desk stand for convenient
charging and synchronization with a compatible PC, the Mobile Holder,
which firmly holds the Nokia 9500 communicator in place in the car,
and the Antenna Coupler, which provides a connection to an external
antenna. For personalization, optional color covers are expected to
be available.


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They also said colored covers would be availiable which I
think would be good as well, we can change black to any color we like then.

They didn't mention support of polyphonic ringtones I suppose it would be present.

Also USB connectivity would be quite alot faster than the previous com port.

Well I like the both phone and PDA have two seperate interfaces of symbian now 80 and 40 which would be good to see. Both are colored and 65k screens as we expected.

Rest other features as predicted are there as well.
Any other feature which is not included and we expected please do mention in the threads guys!


Anyway I would buy it, not surely the month in which it is released because the price would be damn high, I will after 5-6 months when the price will drop and some people would have started to purchase it. I will sell my 9210i and buy the 9500 for sure!



·awyeah·

Announced February 23, 2004

The Nokia 9500 Communicator combines the features of a business PDA with multimedia, advanced messaging, and high-speed data capabilities. With its range of connectivity and security features, the device is particularly suited to enterprise applications. It offers a large color display – 640 x 200 pixels – and full keyboard when open. The integrated VGA camera provides users with the ability to capture and share images.

Messaging features of the Nokia 9500 Communicator include Multimedia Messaging Service (MMS), Synchronized Multimedia Integration Language (SMIL), instant messaging (IM), and e-mail. Connectivity options include EDGE, WLAN (802.11b), Bluetooth wireless technology, USB 2.0, and infrared. Among its security features are SSL/TLS, VPN, IPv6 and IPsec, file encryption, and MultiMedia Card (MMC) software locks. Digital Rights Management (DRM) support includes OMA forward-lock, with delivery via HTTP download or MMS.


Here are a few links I gathered around the web.
Some reviews and pictures.

The original nokia 9500 communicator website is up!
And the link is: http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,54106,00.html

Also High resolution Pictures of the 9500 communicator
are at: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/gallery/Nokia-9500

A list of features/specifications of the nokia 9500 communicator:
http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/1,6566,015_91,00.html


Some useful links of the new communicator I found across the web are:

http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Id=641&source=HOMETOP
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/040223/3/1d01m.html
http://www.brighthand.com/article/Nokia_Pre-announcing_9500_Communicator
http://www.electricnews.net/news.html?code=9395958
http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/340/C2511/
http://www.edubourse.com/finance/actualites.php?idActus=13656
http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/4636.html


ANSWERS TO SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS

1. When will the Nokia 9500 Communicator be available?
The Nokia 9500 Communicator will be available in 4th quarter of 2004.

Meaning in the last 3 months of 2004. Well thats alot of time, so start saving cash! You have to wait 8-10 months from today onwards to see the phone in the market I guess!


2. In what networks can I use the Nokia 9500 Communicator?
The Nokia 9500 Communicator can operate in GSM 900/1800/1900, EGPRS (EDGE) and WLAN networks, which essentially means that it can be used on all five continents where these networks are supported. Additionally, a separate variant with GSM 850/1800/1900 will be launched for the US market.

3. What are the new features of the Nokia 9500 Communicator?
- Two color displays supporting up to 65,536 colors
- WLAN
- EGPRS (EDGE) packet data support
- Tri-band operation on five continents
- Symbian 7.0 OS
- Bluetooth™ audio and data
- VGA camera
- Multimedia messaging support
- Enhanced product security with IPv6, OMA DRM lock
- MIDP2.0 and personal profile Java
- Nokia Pop-port™ connector supporting a variety of Nokia enhancements


4. What are the key features of the Nokia 9500 Communicator?
- Flexible and fast network connections with integrated WLAN and EGPRS (EDGE)
- Full set of business-critical applications like email, Personal Information Management (PIM), office tools, and Web browsing
- 80 MB built-in memory and memory card support for additional data and application storing
- Wide compatibility with most popular existing IT systems (Microsoft and Lotus)
- Easy terminal management and administration with configuration tools and device management solutions (OTA, PC tools)
- Robust and open Symbian platform for company specific applications and flexibility
- Security solutions for different usage levels in the device and data connections


5. What are the key applications for the Nokia 9500 Communicator?

Phone with enhanced voice features
Messaging and browsing with both GPRS and WLAN
Mobile email
PIM and Office tools (Document, Sheet, Presentations)
Enriched communication with camera


6. Can I listen to music with my Nokia 9500 Communicator?
The Nokia 9500 Communicator has an integrated music player that supports the following audio formats: MP3, MPEG-4 (AAC), Real Audio, and MIDI.


7. What languages does the Nokia 9500 Communicator support?
The Nokia 9500 Communicator supports the following languages:
UK English, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, Swedish, Finnish, Danish, Norwegian, Portuguese, Hungarian, Polish, Turkish, Czech, Greek, Russian, American English, Canadian French, American Spanish.


8. What are the color options of the Nokia 9500 Communicator?
The Nokia 9500 Communicator will be available in one color, Tin Grey, in all regions. In addition, user-changeable Xpress-on™ front covers are sold separately.


9. How many colors do the two displays of the Nokia 9500 Communicator support?
The Nokia 9500 Communicator has two 65,536-color displays with 128x128 and 640x200 pixels.



SOME PRODUCT REVIEWS/FEATURES AND SPECIFICATIONS

Band Functionality:
GSM

Operating Frequency:
850/900 / 1800 / 1900

Browser Version:
Opera 6.x Browser, XHTML over TCP/IP, HTML over TCP/IP

Enabling Technology:
Java MIDP 2.0, MMS, Personal Java™

Java APIs:
MIDP 2.0, Personal Profile (JSR-62), Nokia UI API, WMA (JSR-120), MMAPI (JSR-135), Bluetooth API (JSR-82 no OBEX), JTWI rel.1 (JSR-185), CDC (JSR-36), Foundation Profile (JSR-46)

Data Bearers:
CSD, HSCSD, GPRS, EGPRS

PC Connectivity:
Bluetooth, Infrared, USB, WLAN

Resolution:
640 x 200, 128 x 128

Color Depth:
65536 Colors (16 bit), 65536 Colors (16 bit)

Messaging:
MMS w/ SMIL, SMS

Digital Rights Mgmt:
OMA DRM forward lock

Video Support:
H.263, MPEG-4, 3GPP streaming video, Real Video 8
Music Support:

MIDI tones (poly 24), True Tones (WB-AMR), AAC/MP3, MPEG-4, WAV

Dimensions:
148 x 56 x 23.6 mm
Weight:
222 g

Navigation Key:
Grid and Qwerty key mat, 3 labeled softkey, 5 way scrolling

Extra Features:
VGA camera, SMTP/POP3/IMAP4 email, WLAN (802.11b), Word compatibility, Excel compatibility, Powerpoint compatibility, Handsfree speaker, SyncML, MMC



The 9500 communicator device provides a full range of applications, including:

Opera 6.x Web browser with HTML and XHTML support
E-mail client (SMTP/POP3/IMAP4)
Contacts, Calendar, and other PIM applications
Video and image viewers (MPEG-4, 3GPP, RealMedia formats)
Word processing with Microsoft Word compatibility
Spreadsheets with Microsoft Excel compatibility
Presentation viewer with Microsoft PowerPoint compatibility
The Nokia 9500 Communicator is a tri-band device for markets in Europe, Africa, the Asia-Pacific region, and the Americas. Audio and ring tone formats include AAC, AMR, MIDI (poly 24), MP3, and WAV; audio output is also available via Bluetooth connection. Note that messaging functions, Java™ application downloads, browsing, and high-speed access all require operator and network support.

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I also compared the P900 and Nokia 9500 Communicator according to their specs and features.

The P900 is the top #1 and A-1 phone in the market upto day and the communicator is going to be the new one after it so here are the comparisions.

SonyEricssion P900
-115 x 57 x 24mm, 150g
-12MB internal memory, MS Duo slot (hotswap)
-65 536 colour TFT screen, 208 x 320 (208 x 208 with flip closed) pixels
-input device: touch screen and stylus
-connectivity: CSD, HSCSD (28,8 kbps + 14,4 kbps), GPRS (85,6 kbps + 21,4 kbps with CS-4 coding scheme)
-ringtones: MP3, AMR, MIDI (poly 16), WAV, RMF, AU, iMelody
-data transfer: IrDA, Bluetooth
-email: POP3, IMAP4, SMTP
-internet browsing: HTML 3.2 (excluding features such as frames and Javascript that are not revelant to a small screen device), WML 1.3, WBXML, xHTML Basic, xHTML Mobile Profile, cHTML
-extras: camera (VGA + video recording), games, MP3 player, themes


Nokia 9500 Communicator
-148 x 56 x 23.6mm, 220g
-80MB internal memory, MMC slot (hotswap)
-Two 65 536 colour TFT screens, 640 x 200 (PDA) and 128 x 128 (phone) pixels
-input device: grid keypad and qwerty keyboard
-connectivity: CSD, HSCSD, GPRS (53, 6 kbps), EDGE (236,8 kbps), WLAN (11 Mbit/s)
-ringtones: MP3, AMR, MIDI (poly 24), WAV, AAC
-data transfer: IrDA, Bluetooth, USB 2.0, Pop-port interface
-email: POP3, IMAP4. SMTP, SyncML, always-online, SSL/TLS, SMTP authentication
-internet browsing (Opera 6.x): HTML, XHTML, JavaScript™, file upload, WML 1.3 support, audio-video plug-in, DRM plug-in, OMA download plug-in, Flash Player plug-in, multiple windows (10)
-extras: camera (VGA + video recording), games, MP3 player, RealOne Player, XpressOn covers


As we can clearly see the Nokia 9500 Communicator beats the SonyEricssion P900 with its features and specifications.

Therefore I conclude this phone would be much better than the P900, incase if sony decide to release a newer model than the P900 because it is already one year old and the communicator will reach the market by the end of this year and would be common by the start of 2005.


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Courtesy of awyeah


·awyeah·

Originally posted by GhostDog
...
I love it too,i just wish it had a touchscreen but apparantly it has some sort of a mouse like pointing device that Nokia reffers to as the "rocker" key so i'm half pleased.

Series 80 UI Style Guide (http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/1,,040,00.html?fsrParam=3-3-/main.html&fileID=4396)

I'd like to know more about the'rocker'. The cursor that appears in 9210 internet browser is not working too well. A mouse in Commi sounds interesting :)

And if the decision to stay with series 80 means that all the 3rd party apps for the old Commi are still compatible, it may be a justifiable decision.

Somes pics and vidéo here

http://www.mobile-dreams.net/1/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=165

http://3gsm.cheminots06.com/nokia/nok12.gif
http://3gsm.cheminots06.com/nokia/nok11.gifhttp://3gsm.cheminots06.com/nokia/nok11.gif

Someone nicked my 9210 two days ago. I wish the prat waited until the end of the year to do it coz having to spend money buying a 9210i just a few days after announcing the 9500 feels like a sick joke. Maybe then, it may not be such a bad thing. At least I'll be a wee bit better prepared to wait a few months after availabilty to buy the 9500 so that any bugs will hopefully by then be ironed out.

Anyway whatever the reservations the new model got me drooling. Flashes of the Psion 5 are coming back to me. If Nokia cant give us both keyboard and touch screen, at least give us better software.

True Tahir!

God if nokia had a feedback online customer support,
email or some kind of forum, man I would give them
a sense of humour in most of their products.

Anyway the new communicator is coming out, looks
good so should stay calm. Once we've bought it we
have all the time in the world to mention how shitty
it is and what are the drawbacks and features in it
which nokia didn't include, and we can then cuss
on nokia all we want then!


·awyeah·

iam not buying it iwill wait for the 9500 i or a new sony ericsson like p900 i or something

awyeah,the p900 does not have a dual MMC slot,it has a memory stick duo slot,which is worse.

LAuRA,some Series 80 1.x application will work ritght out of the box,but because there are some changes(new APIs,old APIs removed)most of them will need small modifications to work on the new version of the platform Series 80 2.x and on the 9500.I'm not really informed about the "rocker" key myself.I guess we will now more in a couple of days,when the desighers come back from Cannes.

Darn,Q4 seem too far away.

Memory stick duo slot??

Come on, then you can fit 2 memory sticks
in it, aint it?

That's better you can put 2 cards and increase
memory alot, rather than one card
How come that is worse??


-awyeah-

Duo in this case is the name associated with this brand and model of Memory stick made by Sony not referring to the number of slots on the P900

Exactly.Plus the p800/p900 is limited to max of 128MB of capacity in the MS DUO Format.

i hope it will not only support mmc but also SD so that we can put in 512MB + mem cards!!!:D

that its for the 9500..

I have been told it is just MMC. But there are mmc-cards with more capacity coming. And maybe speedier, if the 9500 will/would support the new mmc specification

512 MB MMC's have been on the market for a while so they will work with the 9500.1GB MMC's were announced couple of months ago so they will probably be on the market when the 9500 is officially released.

was just wondering how come the 9500 does not come with a FM/AM radio, w/c is one of the most basic feature of all new smaller nokia phone, besides it will make use of the loudspeaker!!! HOPE THEY CAN STILL INCLUDE IT BEFORE LAUNCHING IT.

I very much doubt it'll have a radio, in a business class device I don't think a radio features highly in the list of odds and sods to cram into it.

The 9500 would support a greater amount of size in MMC's.
512MB+ higher would be supported. But even 512mb for such a PDA device is more than enough, I can't seem to fill my 128MB.
If you fill it with mp3's & pictures well yes then maybe, but not with software I guess!

As for the radio, I don't consider the am/fm radio as high proirity in the 9500 commy, things which I listed in my previous thread almost 90% are included in the new commy.

Radio is not that important, the 9000 series is just for business class people and executives, who just want to use it as a status symbol.


-awyeah-

awyeah give me a 1gb mmc ill fill it up in a wink

Originally posted by awyeah
... But even 512mb for such a PDA device is more than enough, I can't seem to fill my 128MB.
If you fill it with mp3's & pictures well yes then maybe, but not with software I guess!

...

Radio is not that important, the 9000 series is just for business class people and executives, who just want to use it as a status symbol.


-awyeah-

Even 'business class people' :D enjoy music occasionally. I have my 128 MMC filled with wav's at the moment, so filling up a 512 MMC with mp3's would be really easy. IF there was a FM radio included, I might consider uploading less mp3's and relying more on the streaming audio. For me these two would be alternative ways to pass the time in buses and trains.

LAuRA:

I know people would like to listen to music as well such as wav and mp3's and as softwares even if you install 99% of them on the web including games I guess they wont require more than 256mb at the most.

For music lovers no one likes small disk space sizes as they have big collections and want all of them to be on their portable player or cellphone or smartphone.

I would suggest that okay, but people should buy a portable mp3 player or a discman, or a creative jukebox like I have you can attach headphones to it even. Now adays there the size of a usb zip drive and even smaller. They can acheive greater quality of music.

If the new commy has support to plugging headphones rather than handsfree. Handsfree fit almost inside your ear you get a headache after a while you listen to music with that.

If nokia puts a port for plugging headphones like normal jacks as in any portable player or even one in the back of your PC, people would prefer to listen to music as well from the commy.

In the meantime the if you try the speaker phone it isn't very loud and degrades quality of wav and mp3, 128kb songs play at 64kb quality bitrate, so put 64kb songs and listen to them and dont put 128kb/s bit rate songs because you are wasting you diskspace and not acheiving the quality you require as well.

Then again for streaming, if you stream the web would cost you money and on WAP. Likewise if you have a direct am/fm radio with tuner you wouldn't have todo that. But seriously who now adays listens to the radio?? Isn't it old fashioned?!! The quality sucks and is poor as well.


-awyeah-

The whole point of the commy is to have all these separate devices in one. I agree that having a portable mp3 player would result in better quality etc but I can't be bothered to carry several devices around. And if I get a phone call while listering to music with my 9210, I can answer with just a push of one button instead of pausing the music myself and then having to search for the mobile in my bag. And there's no risk of missing a call because of the music.

The current handsfree headset is irritating, agreed, but I haven't suffered from headaches :D Maybe there will be a better one using bluetooth.

Streaming audio over GPRS is expensive I guess and that's why the FM radio might be useful. Sure the stations don't play my favourites all the time, but even radio would help to shut out the surrounding noise while commuting. :)

Originally posted by LAuRA
The whole point of the commy is to have all these separate devices in one. I agree that having a portable mp3 player would result in better quality etc but I can't be bothered to carry several devices around. And if I get a phone call while listering to music with my 9210, I can answer with just a push of one button instead of pausing the music myself and then having to search for the mobile in my bag. And there's no risk of missing a call because of the music.

The current handsfree headset is irritating, agreed, but I haven't suffered from headaches :D Maybe there will be a better one using bluetooth.

Streaming audio over GPRS is expensive I guess and that's why the FM radio might be useful. Sure the stations don't play my favourites all the time, but even radio would help to shut out the surrounding noise while commuting. :)


LAuRa is damn good, hmmm.
As they say never argue with a woman, but I nonetheless. :)


I know the communicator is a 1 in all PDA, cell, video player, recorder, digital camera and etc wireless communication device.

I know carrying 2 devices is a hassle for everyone. Especially for woman as you are one yourself Miss you might probobaly have a handbag as woman normally do so carring your 9210i is easy for you.

But for us (MEN) we dont have those much big pockets, mainy in casual wear pants, but jeans terribly not. We have to either wear a pouch attached, or a bumbag or attach the nokia inside leather case onto our belts or something like that. All the GUYS out there do you agree?!??!@

As for the music thingy, I always prefer music with quality. At first I didn't even listen to mp3's only audio CD's as I considered mp3's not good in quality as well. Audio CDS have a far more greater quality than mp3's. But then when mp3's started growing alot of popular I then started using them even now in 256kb/s or 320kb/s so there good to listen to bit rates.

A person should have quality. If you have quantity and no quality there is no use to listen to the music you have. :) Thats why radio quality is the lowest I guess 22kb/s or 11kb/s bit rate if im sure.

This is a digital age and so we should prefer atleast anything above 22kb/s when it comes to audio? Don't you think guys??!

Then we if critcize futher, I am alot into digital imaging. I currently bought a Sony DSC F717 5MP Digital Camera. I like photograhing alot.

Then why doesnt nokia remove those 1.3 digital camera's from there phone and upgrade to 2 or 3 megapixels at least for those digital photographic people.


·awyeah·

awyeah,i preffer the all in one bit then carrying two or more devices.

If the new commy has support to plugging headphones rather than handsfree. Handsfree fit almost inside your ear you get a headache after a while you listen to music with that.


There is a cheap adapter cable you can buy and plug any kind of headphones,i think.

In the meantime the if you try the speaker phone it isn't very loud and degrades quality of wav and mp3, 128kb songs play at 64kb quality bitrate, so put 64kb songs and listen to them and dont put 128kb/s bit rate songs because you are wasting you diskspace and not acheiving the quality you require as well.


Why would anyone play audio on the speakerphone except maybe for ringtones and maybe some sort of media presentations.

Then again for streaming, if you stream the web would cost you money and on WAP. Likewise if you have a direct am/fm radio with tuner you wouldn't have todo that. But seriously who now adays listens to the radio?? Isn't it old fashioned?!! The quality sucks and is poor as well.

For streaming,you will probably need a GPRS Internet access point,not wap.I listen to radio on the N-Gage every chance i get,the quality is great.


But for us (MEN) we dont have those much big pockets, mainy in casual wear pants, but jeans terribly not. We have to either wear a pouch attached, or a bumbag or attach the nokia inside leather case onto our belts or something like that. All the GUYS out there do you agree?!??!@


I don't agree ;) The size of the Commi is not a problem for me.


As for the music thingy, I always prefer music with quality. At first I didn't even listen to mp3's only audio CD's as I considered mp3's not good in quality as well. Audio CDS have a far more greater quality than mp3's. But then when mp3's started growing alot of popular I then started using them even now in 256kb/s or 320kb/s so there good to listen to bit rates.


Mp3's with bitrate above 192Kbit/s don't make sense since its the quality of Audio CD.

A person should have quality. If you have quantity and no quality there is no use to listen to the music you have. Thats why radio quality is the lowest I guess 22kb/s or 11kb/s bit rate if im sure.

This is a digital age and so we should prefer atleast anything above 22kb/s when it comes to audio? Don't you think guys??!


I think you are confusing bitrate with frequency.22 kbit/s mp3 sounds awful.I don't have the tools to find out the bitrate of .aac files right now(the N-Gage radio application records in .aac format) but i'm pretty sure its a lot more the 22kbit/s.

Then why doesnt nokia remove those 1.3 digital camera's from there phone and upgrade to 2 or 3 megapixels at least for those digital photographic people.


Nokia Smartphones and most if not all Symbian devices have 0.3 megapixel cameras not 1.3 megapixel.If you are a lot in to digital imaging like you said you should know that the most important factor for image quality is not the megapixels but the lense.Even if you do encrease the megapixel on these cheap cameras with plastic lenses in today smartphones you will only get larger files with bad quality as opposed to small files with bad quality.

Since its been said that 9200 softwares are incompatible with the new 9500. If this is the case, can we assume that 9200 files or documents is likewise incompatible, hence it would need to be converted for it to be read in the new 9500??:confused:

Likewise how true that the 512mb mmc can work with the new 9500? Isnt it true the nokia tries to limit the use of other brand of MMC to accomodate their own brand, w/c from what i have gathered have only a maximum of 128mb (NOKIA)? If this is possible i hope there are ways to have the security options activated (PASSWORD) or available on the other MMC brand. :)

Hello All,

I would like to add to the media aspect of the 9500. It's good to find that Nokia has included a mp3 support. However, I don't get the logic as to why Nokia is pushing the Port-pop interface on all it's phones. (7700, 9500)
The reason why I'm saying is that- some while ago I used to have a 6610 (I think the first phone to have port-pop interface). When I used the handsfree to listen to the radio (the phone in my shirt pocket), the sound stopped, then sometimes sound on one speaker and so on. The port-pop connector was on the face of the phone and with a slight movement/ jerk, the connector pins of the handsfree would loose contact. Also many will know that the handsfree end of the connector is a HUGE thing.

@Ghostdog- This won't help even when you are using the port-pop to headphone convertor.

However this experience is somewhat eliminated when one uses 3300 (series 40 mp3 phone) where the port-pop housing is 3-4 mm inside the plastic housing.

With N-gage- Remarkable & trouble free because of pin type connectors.

With Siemens-SX1 - good with Slim lumberg connector ie. pretty stable.

With SE P800/ P900- pin type connectors - no problemo.

Moreover what is the type of handfree you get- the series 40 port-pop handsfree sucks!

Originally posted by matrixxx
Since its been said that 9200 softwares are incompatible with the new 9500. If this is the case, can we assume that 9200 files or documents is likewise incompatible, hence it would need to be converted for it to be read in the new 9500??:confused:

Likewise how true that the 512mb mmc can work with the new 9500? Isnt it true the nokia tries to limit the use of other brand of MMC to accomodate their own brand, w/c from what i have gathered have only a maximum of 128mb (NOKIA)? If this is possible i hope there are ways to have the security options activated (PASSWORD) or available on the other MMC brand. :)

What sort of files and documents are you talking about?The 9500 is still a prototype,most likely,the design(hardware and software) will change in the final release so Series 80 1.x(9200) application could be compatible.

99% true that 512 MB MMC's will work with the 9500 because 512 MB MMC's already work with other Nokia devices(Every Series 60 device).Even the 9200 Series has been recently updated to support MMC's with higher capacities then 128 MB.

Originally posted by GhostDog
What sort of files and documents are you talking about?The 9500 is still a prototype,most likely,the design(hardware and software) will change in the final release so Series 80 1.x(9200) application could be compatible.

99% true that 512 MB MMC's will work with the 9500 because 512 MB MMC's already work with other Nokia devices(Every Series 60 device).Even the 9200 Series has been recently updated to support MMC's with higher capacities then 128 MB.


my definition of files & document are WORD, EXELL, CONTACTS, ETC..., i hope all of this files from 9200 is compatible to the 9500,hopefully no more conversions. Re the software compatibility, UPONALLE stated in his post "...According to Nokia people at the booth, the existing software for the 9210(i) is not working in the 9500" HOPE THIS ISNT TRUE:)

Its nice to hear that 256mb or higher have started working with the 9200, since im presently using a 9210i. If this is the case what brand of MMC should i be looking for, or is it the latest operating system (OS) that makes it work, would appreciate your input here ghost dog, since its getting so frustrating using the old 128mb :(

Well I got my 9210i fixed now.
I don't know before I was going to buy it I was very excited
now I don't care none the less even I didn't install the tonnes
of softwares I downloaded.


Now as I was going to discuess the 9500 is yes a prototype and still in testing and verification.

If you saw the big clear pictures of the 9500 of the phone from the outside. Did you notice that the outsite color screen display isn't cenetered if you take a closer look.

Meaning the screen is not cenetered with respect to the symmtery of the phone from the middle. The screen isn't big from the right hand side. And there is quite alot of space from the right hand corner of the screen to the right hand edge of the phone, which is not the case with the left side.

I don't know if you understand or not but I can't put this is a more clearer way. The screen is totally square and it is not increased in length on the right hand side, you can see that by the color display of the two hands on the phone. It is difficult to see because in the picute that area is black in color as well.


These are very minute things to notice, yet can cause aggrievement :D



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Hmmm, this is an interesting topic :D

I believe there is a visual illusion involved. I may be wrong, but I suspect the screen on the phone side IS in the middle but it just seems to be off-centered because of the colours. On the left the colour changes, there is the black and then it changes into the silver. On the right the black colour continues until the very edge of the device. If you measure the black area on the right and the black+silver areas on the left, they may be equal. I don't know, because it's hard to be sure looking from the photos alone, but this might be an explanation.

The screen seems to be centered in reference to the keys below, not in reference to the black coloured background. Looking at it now it does seem a little strange. But it also might look strange if the screen extended beyond the keys on the right hand side but not on the left.

I suspect Nokia has had people studying this, judging the appearance in different versions, so it may be a conscious decision.

Or maybe they just screwed up :D

matrixxx,i've never tried it my self but here's more info:
Yes, send an email to "info <at> BBCONS (Punkt) de".

Please proof that your OS-Version is at least "V 06.00". Older version have problems. (*#0000# gives your version).

This item is not in our stock ! Delivery last about 3 weeks. Further it is not a "Nokia" labeled MMC.

eXpansys 256MB Multimedia Card -
Large capacity MMC card, compatible with many PDAs including the Nokia 9210. from here: http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=107865

Our own eXpansys brand memory cards come with a 2 year warranty against any defect in parts or manufacture and a 14 day no quibble compatibility guarantee, if it doesn't work in your device just send it back within 14 days for a full refund.


So it wouldn't hurt to try.

awyeah,Laura is right.Its a visual illusion but the screen is exactly in the middle,trust me ;) If I'm lucky,this Monday I might be able to have a closer encounter with the new Commi.

Hi,

I was mentioning to this.
Please view the pic attached.

The circled area on the right hand side seems smaller than the area on the left hand side...

Moreover the screen is not fully square either making it more smaller. The length is bigger than the height/width.

Also notice the black rectangular shaped outlining embosed around the screen. The black emobsed lining on the outer part of the screen which is in the shape of a rectangle, has lines go to it's very edge on the right hand side of the device in the picture, while this does not apply for the left hand side.

Either the engraved black lines should contain the whole screen on the right side too. If they hade made a design like this why have they intended to leave that area of black space free?? A new design?? maybe?!!


Maybe because it is a prototype thats why they have it so.
Maybe the released version wont have that I guess.


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Also I wanted to mention that I read a post stating somebody was not impressed that the OS in the 9500 is named after the 80 Series as its predecessors and was not upgraded to the 90 series.

While this is a likely case, symbian uses 80 series model of OS for big large lenghty screens such as that of the 9210, which are rectangular in shape. They have a different screen resolution which is most likely the case. Also the 80 series aren't supposed to be touchscreens.

However the 90series is in the new 7700 phone. It is a touchscreen therefore has more features of OS as well so it is named the 90 series, which is more advanced. The shape of the screen in that phone is also unique.

I might not be able to give you more comparisons between both at the moment but you can check symbian's site out and see the comparions as well.

The series of OS doesn't matter in a phone, unless it is upgraded time to time as 9210i the last model had v6.0 now it would be upgraded to a more bugfree XP style v7.0 or v.80 kind of layout in the new commy.



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awyeah,don't get offended but i think that your two last posts were big load of bollocks :o

The extrnal screen is 128x128 which means its square.

The OS on the 9500 is not named after the 80 Series.The OS on the 9500 is Symbian 7.0s.The UI is an updated version of the old Series 80 UI and its now called Series 80 2.0.

While this is a likely case, symbian uses 80 series model of OS for big large lenghty screens such as that of the 9210, which are rectangular in shape. They have a different screen resolution which is most likely the case.

I don't understand what are you trying to say here?

However the 90series is in the new 7700 phone. It is a touchscreen therefore has more features of OS as well so it is named the 90 series, which is more advanced. The shape of the screen in that phone is also unique.


Once more,the OS no both the 9500 and the 7700 is Symbian 7.0s,the devices run different UI's on the same OS.Series 90 more advanced?Maybe,i'll just say different.I don't think the shape of the phone has any relevance here.

The series of OS doesn't matter in a phone, unless it is upgraded time to time as 9210i the last model had v6.0 now it would be upgraded to a more bugfree XP style v7.0 or v.80 kind of layout in the new commy.


That is so incorrect!The new firmware for the 9210i is version 6.0.The UI and the OS are still not changed.The OS is still Symbian 6.0 and the UI is Series 80.

awyeh,please read up on the subject before posting loads of useless info.We have a big number of forum readers and some of them might get missinformed by reading your posts.

Originally posted by GhostDog
The extrnal screen is 128x128 which means its square.That is, if the pixels are square (they are, but technically they could also be rectangular; e.g., taller than they are wide). ;)

Keep it in my hands (one proto)
External screen is centered, so stop speculations.

Hi,

To karlsha :

- how much flash RAM (C:) available (24 MB) and total (32 MB) ?

- how much dynamic RAM (DRAM or SDRAM) ?

Thanks in advance,

Roberto

Read the previous posts in this thread.

All links for information to websites regarding the device and features have been posted in the earlier posts.


-awyeah-

I haven't found any info on Dynamic RAM but i believe it will be arround 20-40 MB.Like it was said before,internal storage is 80 MB,i don't know whether the whole 80 MB is available to the user or not.

apperantly it has vibrate (http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=490)

I think they are mistaken,its not mentioned anywhere on Nokia.com or Forum Nokia.

i hope it does according to the website:D

then the 9500 would be complete

Originally posted by GhostDog
I think they are mistaken,its not mentioned anywhere on Nokia.com or Forum Nokia.

The nokia forum sucks.
I mean I could host and put up a good PhpBBP forum better than theirs which would have a greater velocity of posts and increasing number of users.

Don't register there guys. It's no need. No on replies to your posts anyway. Nokia should moderate their forums and should have a support team to reply their users and customers posts. After all thats what we pay them for.


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awyeah

awyeah,i don't use the forums at Forum Nokia.IMO the primary purpose of Forum Nokia is to provide support and documentation for developers.I think they are doing a great job.

Not to be against there forum but:

Frankly, I asked some questions regarding my phone.
I never got a reply post uptill this day. Not a nokia personall or even a member replied and I posted in the General Discussions board as well as other boards.

I posted the thread again and again after 1-2 weeks duration after it used to get outdated still no reply.


And 90% of all posts I saw had high VIEW rates
but very less REPLY rates.


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awyeah

Like i said,Forum Nokia is aimed at developers so nobody will bother answering a question of the type: "I have dust under my screen,what should i do?"

Yes, but they should have a seperate section/forum for answering technical supports and questions.

For instance if you have a nokia phone, and you want to discuss or ask technical questions (difficulties) regarding your device online who will you ask on their site then?

Suppose if they have phone support, but still some people prefer online customer support. (forums, email)


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awyeah

Originally posted by awyeah
Yes, but they should have a seperate section/forum for answering technical supports and questions.

For instance if you have a nokia phone, and you want to discuss or ask technical questions (difficulties) regarding your device online who will you ask on their site then?

Suppose if they have phone support, but still some people prefer online customer support. (forums, email)


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awyeah
Like GhostDog said, it's meant for the developers not for the end user kind of questions.

I look at your questions and those were hardly developer question but end user questions. And BTW. one of the Nokia experts did answer to your question day after you post it.

And if you didn't notice, "General discussions" section is not moderated by the Nokia experts. And it's not very convinient to flood all the sections with the same post, but post in the right section in the first place.

Where are we getting here?

Chill out pls,,,,:)

so where is Quint and Ried in all of this? :D

Originally posted by Orophin Anwarunya
so where is Quint and Ried in all of this? :D

/me plays bornnnnnnn in the usaaaaaaaa, now


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awyeah