Hey guys wonder if you could help me out here. Just curious you know, I read a review of the SX1 on www.mobileburn.com and there was this picture with a SD card inside.

My question is, does the SX1 support SD cards?

According to the German FAQs it doesn't
http://icm-km3.erlm.siemens.de/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE/,/?St=151,E=0000000000161562469,K=8091,Sxi=10,Cmd=Re fresh,Remove=All,Problem=9867,VARSET_NONAVMESSAGE= 1

well actully its an mmc

http://www.mobileburn.com/media/siemens/sx1/sx1_front_memory.jpg

I think the poster knows that the SX1 supports MMC cards.His question was about SD cards and actually,there is a rumour that the SX1 supports some brands of SD cards.

No. The original poster said that the review has a picture of an SD card with the SX1 (quote: "there was this picture with a SD card inside").

The card in the last picture/page of the review, however, clearly is labeled to be a Lexar Media "MultiMediaCard" as Ismail points out:
http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Page=11&Id=604

Ups,my bad!This is what happens when you go on a orange diet.:o

There are still rumors out there of some SD cards working on the SX1, wish the testers would post there results. Since SD's are faster and becoming cheaper then MMC's, it would be nice to have a choice.

Tach

Hi All,

SX1 for all me know supports only MMC... but I opened my SX1 ( disect ) and the MMC card slot has 9 pins... 7 pins are for MMC 9 pins for SD..

Who knows maybe they will support it....
Well What I can see on the reason why they choose to support MMC only is that Mass electronic with storage capability uses MMC.

I'll still give Thumbs up for SX1.

rv ice

I noticed the pin count also... It would be a nice competative advantage if Siemens would support SD in SX1, not to mention a nice choice for users in countries where is SD is cheaper...

Tach

I agree with you mate! Lets hope it happens!

Rv ice

don'T see the reason why they are not supported.
are there some cents for the licencs for sd's - that are too much for a €650 phone ?!? :mad: :confused: :mad:

i have sd-cards for my video-camera and my loox.
don't want to buy another one - especially when they are minor and need more current than sd's.

so does anyone have an sx1 to test it alrready?

A lot of people have SX1's ;)

mine doesn't support a reference sanddisk 128MB nor a canon 8MB.
haven't tested with later firmware rev's, but i don't think they'll change anything.

bug2 do u mean it fit in but the phone didnt recognize it or it didnt fit?

Guys I spoke to Siemens tech support about this - they say they don't support it but that they have tested a couple of SDs and that they worked with no probs - but they didn't reveal the make

- so I went with MMC in the end Expabsys work striaght out of the box

Guys I spoke to Siemens tech support about this - they say they don't support it but that they have tested a couple of SDs and that they worked with no probs - but they didn't reveal the make ..

:eek: :confused: :confused:
don't really understand this. different firmware ?

@ Ismail
of course they fit - they are the same. all other devices support both of them. - because of this nobody buys theese old mmc and goes with the better and meanwhile cheaper sd's.

today i was at 3 electronic "mega"-stores. (more than 2000m2 sale-area)
two of them only had one type of 64MB mmc and about 40 different types of sd's from different vendors from 32MB to 512MB. the third also offers a 128MB mmc for a crazy price (about 25% more than the same sd).

the lack of of support for SD's is a MAJOR issue .
if there are some types of supported SD's siemens should tell us.
and they should work on the support for the others in next bios releases.

They are not all the same,most SD cards are thicker then MMC's.Not all other devices support them.Most(Not all) SD card readers support MMC's.None of the MMC only devices support SD.MMC are not old and they come in same capacities as SD, up to 1GB.

Siemens never said that the SX1 does support SD cards so they are not obligated to do anything.

.. they are not obligated to do anything.
of course not ..
but before this phone, i'd never thought that there would be a problem in using sd in a modern device.

mmc stood for the mechanical dimensions of theese cards. and all devices, built since y2k that support mmc do support sd.
so no shop that hasn't heard about this siemens bug, is thinking about selling mmc-cards, because they are of no use anymore - just to support some legacy hardware.

so even in online shops it's hard to get mmc's with more than 128MB - where even 1GB sd are ready for shipping.
even 1.5 years ago, when i bought my dv-cam - the dealer told me not to get theese legacy mmc. :o

I have to agree with BUG2, there should be no reason why Siemens or even Nokia for that matter, have imposed the MMC card over the SD, when both units 6600 & SX1 have the pin count to support SD. The older SD cards may vary slightly in size, but they all have to comply with the SD card spec.

The fact that a few SD cards work on the SX1, implies that support is prob in firmware... It's just kills me that they would not offer me the choice. I would understand if Siemens doesn't support SD beacuse there is a power consumption issue, but dang... I've been to several retail outlets where there are Flash media shelves, with everything except MMC, SD from several vendors.... It's annoying. Oohh well...

L8tr

mmc stood for the mechanical dimensions of theese cards. and all devices, built since y2k that support mmc do support sd.The may seem very much alike, but what you say is not correct.

MMC and SD are different specifications defined by different organizations, but the SD card has been made compatible with MMC (in other words, a device with SD card support can read/write MMCs).

However, an SD card is physically thicker, so that SD cards will not actually fit in an MMC slot. An MMC card will fit an SD card reader, though.

Also, SD cards have more leads/connectors than an MMC to support features on SD that are not in MMC.

MMC details on http://www.mmca.org

SD card details on: http://www.sdcard.org/

what i say is that there are no new devices that support mmc, that doesn't support sd.

sd is the sucsessor of mmc. from a time where digital rights management was the most important thing for the media industry.
so they added support for decryption to mmc an the sd was born - just to stay in front of other media types like the white mem-stick.
but the major improvement for us was the improved power consumption of the sd's.

maybe there is a difference in the dimensions in the white papers of the both types, but in real life there are no connectors where a sd' wouldn't fit in.

the socket of the sx1 has the optimum size for all common sd-cards.

hey geuss what then since the sd is the succeseor of mmc the the new rd-mmc is the succesor of sd
yay

new medias are nice, but the sx1 is a phone for 2004.
it should support medias that are available in 2004 and this is obviously sd.

same as nokia only mmc

heck se have their own memory cards

Its not that obvious to me.I must've missed the ceremony where SD succeeded MMC(What about SMMC).Acording to the latest MMCA specs,MMC will have the highest transfer speeds from all flash memory.

BTW:In my contry MMCs are cheaper the SD.

We are geting off topic.I will probably test a 64MB and a 256MB Sandisk SD with the SX1 this week,if they let me.Stay tuned but don't get your hopes up.

-Edit-

This comparison might be old,but its quite relevant: http://www.davespda.com/hardware/expansion/cfmmcsd.htm

lol ghostdog what do u mean by if they let me?

I don't own an SX1 so I'm going to ask one of my friends in the local Siemens Service Centre to let me test it on one of theirs,if they let me.

loool u make it sound like ur in the mafia :D

Ghost,

SD transfer speed is anywhere from 2 to 4 times faster then MMC.
Ref. ---> http://www.geocities.com/romidar/mmcvssd.htm

Also since people are betting on SD/MMC prices will continue to drop. I still would like a choice from Siemens...

Ref. --->http://www.globalsources.com/am/article_id/9000000047803/page/showarticle?action=GetArticle

As Bug said this is 2004, beyond me why Siemens would not exploit the speed advantage on there sets, not to mention that newer versions of SD have a lower power consumption rate... Good Luck with the test on SD, let us know what you find out...

Tach

I think the poster knows that the SX1 supports MMC cards.His question was about SD cards and actually,there is a rumour that the SX1 supports some brands of SD cards.

I have tried it with two different brands, the phone found the card and even let me format it but then it tells me that there is a dammaged/faulty sc-card inside.

/Daniel

Sounding to me more like... SD support is a Firmware issue, and would be available sometime in the future if Siemens Marketing feels it's important enough.

as the post said before the phone I/O has 9 pin, then try shielding the extra pin on the SD to see if this can be the trick to make it work??

Hey, people. I'm from Melbourne, Australia & have been trying out a number of SD cards in my SX-1 over the past week or so. So far, i've come across no SD cards which work :frown: . The following brands have been tested...

Panasonic,
Secure Digital,
Kingston,
Fuji,
PQI,
Dick Smith,
& a couple of others which have escaped me.

Unfortunately, MMC cards are harder to find down here, especially those with capacities over 256MB. SD cards, on the other hand, can be found everywhere with capacities up to 1GB. The SDs' are also cheaper & since they are less power-hungry, they are a MUCH better option to MMC.
:frown:


What I want to know is, is support for SD only a firmware away? I mean, is it possible for a device like the SX1 to support a technologically different format just by having its' firmware updated???

It is not a firmware-/software-only issue, but also a hardware issue (the SD reader/slot/wiring/eletronics is different, but compatible with MMC).

If the hardware already supports SD, then it could be just a software issue.

I don't know whether the SX1 has an SD capable memory card slot or just MMC.

It is not a firmware-/software-only issue, but also a hardware issue (the SD reader/slot/wiring/eletronics is different, but compatible with MMC).

If the hardware already supports SD, then it could be just a software issue.

I don't know whether the SX1 has an SD capable memory card slot or just MMC.

I beleive it's just a firmware issue... The MMC slot on the SX1 has nine pins (Ala an SD also compatible interface) Don't know many MFG, who would add a more costly interface to there hardware design for no reason.

Also leaks here and there have suggested that some service centers had a firmware version that supported SD Cards, since then Siemens has removed support. Maybe because other issues are at the top of the list.

I for one would love the choice to be able to use the lower power consuming, cheaper cost in some markets, SD cards.

is it possible to put smth on 10th and 11th pin on sd card so that phone thinks that it is mmc?

Then, does SX1 support CF(Compact Flash) Card?

Then, does SX1 support CF(Compact Flash) Card?

well, you'd have to trim a lot of the CF to make it fit, then the pinnout is different.

Enf...

thanks a lot and i want to know whether while firmwares benefit sx1 it causes some problems

http://talk.eprice.com.tw/?prod_id=926&talk_id=1393339

As per a forum in Taiwan, here is their results:

RETEK 128MB SD (YES);

PANASONIC128MB SD (No, Hang as well);

Sorry, had to get that off my chest. 95% of the posts on this thread were excellent and well-written, informative, etc about the SD/MMC compatability issue. Thanks guys. But a few posts like "all other devices support both of them. - because of this nobody buys theese old mmc and goes with the better and meanwhile cheaper sd's". All other devices? Which other devices that are cell phones and do as much featurewise as the SX-1? I can think of a very select few, but not "all other devices". Why don't you go buy one of those "other devices" than if the MMC vs SD issue is so trying for you? :rolleyes:

Bug, did you read through the compatibility thread on this forum before you posted? Or do a search through the archives? If so, then I think you would have seen that this question has been answered, ad nauseum.

If you had read the hardware compatibility thread you would have seen that I posted (with pictures and a description) that the 1GB ATP MMC that I bought on ebay works in my SX-1, and I paid $105 US. The guy is still selling them, although regretfully, he only ships to US or Canada. However I have had good luck on ebay with simply emailing sellers explaining my interest in an item, citing my 100% positive feedback, and asking if they'll ship to me if I pay for international shipping. I have done this many times for car parts from Germany and 9 out of 10 sellers are helpful and willing to accomodate me. If any of you find that you still cannot get a large capacity (512 or 1GB) MMC where you are located in the world, I would be willing to help you get one through one of these ebay auctions at no charge. Just cause I'm a nice guy.

Here's the link to the auction for the 1GB MMC.


1GB MMC on ebay, no affiliation with the seller (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50521&item=3844064226&rd=1)


Also, this guy is selling 1GB SD cards and they are the same price, $95. Which means they're now $10 cheaper than when I bought mine two weeks ago, ARGGHH!! So the argument that SD is cheaper than MMC seems to be untrue. As for speed, I'm not a hardware electrical-engineering expert so I can't answer that. The 1GB MMC seems great for mp3's and what I use it for.

near my house, here in spain the 512Mb mmc cost 51€ and the 1GB 104€

you want cheap mmc in europe use http://www.norkom.net/

Hmm perhaps ppl will also try to talk about which SD card does work for the sx1? My brother has a 128mb sandisk SD card and it didnt work on my phone :'(
OH and btw.. MMC cost about 44 euros here in NL :P (sd are 40 euros)