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Rafe 03-03-2010 11:25 AM

Nokia Nuron - 5230 for T-Mobile USA
 
Nokia and T-Mobile USA today announced the forthcoming availability of the Nokia Nuron. The Nuron is a T-Mobile customised version of the Nokia 5230 and is termed a 'smartphone for the masses'. It operates on T-Mobile's 3G network and will come pre-loaded with Ovi Store (including operator billing) and Ovi Maps (including worldwide free navigation). It will be one of the cheapest smartphones available in the US market.

Read on in the full article.

Insane Reindeer 03-03-2010 11:52 AM

Well that seems like a good start. Give people an easy and cheap way into the world of Ovi. The store and the maps inclusion means that, at least at this price point T-Mobile USA seem to have woken up to the fact that they are good things to have on the phone!

But is T-Mobile's 3G coverage any good? Do they suffer from the same problems that blight AT&T's offering?

Unregistered 03-03-2010 11:57 AM

This is an excellent move from Nokia, well done. Consumers in the US will increasingly realise that the only reason they are buying iPhones or Androids are for hype and fashion alone - and that they are paying WAY more for that hype and fashion. Of course, people will continue to do so.

But no longer will US consumers be unaware of Nokia's smartphone offerings, or able to claim that Android or iPhone are superior in some way (apart from a fractionally more responsive UI). Indeed this will show that Symbian is a considerably superior mobile OS to it's competitors in many ways. Ovi Store inclusion answers the needs of those seeking apps, and the complaints of developers that they don't have a good route to market (1.5 million downloads a day now, that's well over half a billion a year if growth remained flat!). Ovi Maps Nav simply makes Google Maps Nav look like something of a joke, and blows away all other solutions.

And this isn't even a Symbian^3 handset. When they are released in the States, iPhone and Android are going to get hammered big time, no matter what slight improvements they come out with over the year...

limestone 03-03-2010 12:09 PM

Nuron
 
Does "Nuron" rhyme with "Moron" ?
A Conversation with the Nokia design team... (a few months ago in Espo)
Designers: "Hey guys I got this really great idea for a phone for T Mobile in the USA!"
Marketing: "Oh great, tell us about it."
Designers: "Ok first , you take a Nokia 5800, and you make it grey."
Marketing: "Yeah, and?"
Designers: "No , that's it. you make it grey....."

Designers: "Oh and the fact that the buttons on the bottom are colored the same as an Italian flag should appeal to all the mafia types that hang out in New Jersey - Bada Bing!"

End of design meeting.

clonmult 03-03-2010 12:23 PM

I'm now 2 weeks into ownership of the 5230, and overall its possibly the best phone/media device I've ever owned. Previously had N95, N85, video iPod, iPod Touch.

Made the first use of the satnav in anger this morning, and it was absolutely perfect. Better than TomTom or Sygic on earlier Nokias, definitely better than the Navman I owned for a while. Just need a decent car cradle - I hope it'll fit in a cradle designed for the 5800.

Video playback is great (as long you code it well - eRightSofts Super does great). Sound quality is easily as good as an iPod. Browsing using Opera Mobile or Mini is excellent.

The only possible negative is that the Ovi store is a little sluggish compared to the Apple App store.

So the success of this phone in the states will not be down to the device itself - it'll be down to how well its marketed/supported over there.

PatalumaGuy 03-03-2010 12:33 PM

Meeting with Carriers in US
 
- Fat guy: I hate those Fins people, they are so polite and clean, they speak funny.
- Other Fat Guy: We are never going to take their phones, they are so cheap, smart phones for under 50 bucks, are they nuts?
- Even bigger guy: They kick Russian in WWII big time, we never could
- Fat lady: I thinks they were on Germany side in WWII let all hate them
- All: Yea lets hate the Fins and never use their cheap, never failing, hard as rock phones
End of meeting
The meeting lasted 5 minutes and 4 people eat 3 boxes of sugar coated pastry

Ammar_Dento 03-03-2010 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatalumaGuy (Post 459441)
- Fat guy: I hate those Fins people, they are so polite and clean, they speak funny.
- Other Fat Guy: We are never going to take their phones, they are so cheap, smart phones for under 50 bucks, are they nuts?
- Even bigger guy: They kick Russian in WWII big time, we never could
- Fat lady: I thinks they were on Germany side in WWII let all hate them
- All: Yea lets hate the Fins and never use their cheap, never failing, hard as rock phones
End of meeting
The meeting lasted 5 minutes and 4 people eat 3 boxes of sugar coated pastry

loooooooooooooooool.....another ugly truth.

Unregistered 03-03-2010 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatalumaGuy (Post 459441)
- Fat guy: I hate those Fins people, they are so polite and clean, they speak funny.
- Other Fat Guy: We are never going to take their phones, they are so cheap, smart phones for under 50 bucks, are they nuts?
- Even bigger guy: They kick Russian in WWII big time, we never could
- Fat lady: I thinks they were on Germany side in WWII let all hate them
- All: Yea lets hate the Fins and never use their cheap, never failing, hard as rock phones
End of meeting
The meeting lasted 5 minutes and 4 people eat 3 boxes of sugar coated pastry

And the irony would be:

Android -> Linux -> Linus Torvalds -> Suomi !!

So, Finland is actually responsible for the Android OS!

Unregistered 03-03-2010 04:28 PM

It's a good start, I guess....but T-Mobile? Really? They have pretty spotty coverage outside of major cities in the U.S. (i.e. the suburbs), and that's putting it kindly.

I would say that their main problem in the U.S., vs. iPhone or Android, will be the lack of basic applications/useability UI for smart phones. Some examples include: lack of integration of local transit (MTA and subway info) with Ovi Maps, in comparison with Google Navigation, and here's a crucial one---a lack of threaded conversations view in their messaging application.

This phone is likely to be picked up by the younger set, and the non-conversation view of messaging will turn many of the text-addicted off. Nokia along with Symbian needs to provide a fix for this, or else, integrate Free iSMS into the phones, out of the box. Most won't be familiar enough with S60v5 to go hunting around in forums for this app on their own.

clonmult 03-03-2010 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 459471)
It's a good start, I guess....but T-Mobile? Really? They have pretty spotty coverage outside of major cities in the U.S. (i.e. the suburbs), and that's putting it kindly.

I would say that their main problem in the U.S., vs. iPhone or Android, will be the lack of basic applications/useability UI for smart phones. Some examples include: lack of integration of local transit (MTA and subway info) with Ovi Maps, in comparison with Google Navigation, and here's a crucial one---a lack of threaded conversations view in their messaging application.

This phone is likely to be picked up by the younger set, and the non-conversation view of messaging will turn many of the text-addicted off. Nokia along with Symbian needs to provide a fix for this, or else, integrate Free iSMS into the phones, out of the box. Most won't be familiar enough with S60v5 to go hunting around in forums for this app on their own.

Subway mapping is an interesting idea, and whilst its a nice idea I'm not sure how a satnav can actually work underground. It rarely seems to work inside buildings, so underground it seems highly unlikely to operate. Unless you are meaning being able to give basic directions, such as "get on at this underground station, take route <a> for however many stops".

Threaded conversations were available via the Nokia Conversations on the previous OS releases. For some reason its not yet available on S60v5.

You can view messages in a threaded form against contacts listed on the homescreen contacts bar, but that isn't quite the same.

The range of apps available on Ovi for the 5230 is quite surprising. Weather, note taking, drawing, silly little things (spirit level, seismograph, daily dilbert), and some quite nice games (connect 4, bejewelled twist, ovi maps racing, blockGo, Resco Bubbles, Skyforce reloaded, raging thunder, waveblazer, tower blox).

Unregistered 03-03-2010 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clonmult (Post 459474)
Subway mapping is an interesting idea, and whilst its a nice idea I'm not sure how a satnav can actually work underground. It rarely seems to work inside buildings, so underground it seems highly unlikely to operate. Unless you are meaning being able to give basic directions, such as "get on at this underground station, take route <a> for however many stops".

Threaded conversations were available via the Nokia Conversations on the previous OS releases. For some reason its not yet available on S60v5.

You can view messages in a threaded form against contacts listed on the homescreen contacts bar, but that isn't quite the same.

The range of apps available on Ovi for the 5230 is quite surprising. Weather, note taking, drawing, silly little things (spirit level, seismograph, daily dilbert), and some quite nice games (connect 4, bejewelled twist, ovi maps racing, blockGo, Resco Bubbles, Skyforce reloaded, raging thunder, waveblazer, tower blox).

I hear you, but see here's the thing: this is a Nokia smart phone with a flat T-Mobile data plan very, very likely attached. Somebody buying into a smart phone is not going to be moved by basic games, weather, spirit level, etc, etc.

They want value-added honest to goodness *applications*.

Unless of course Nokia and T-Mobile basically push this phone to the Sidekick/teenage market...

Unregistered 03-03-2010 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 459475)
I hear you, but see here's the thing: this is a Nokia smart phone with a flat T-Mobile data plan very, very likely attached. Somebody buying into a smart phone is not going to be moved by basic games, weather, spirit level, etc, etc.

They want value-added honest to goodness *applications*.

Unless of course Nokia and T-Mobile basically push this phone to the Sidekick/teenage market...

What *applications* are you talking about? I've never seen fart piano on Symbian, so the iPhone will obviously have a huge advantage there.

And the 5230 does have threaded conversations for texting. If you set up your contacts on the home screen, all text messages associated with a contact are grouped together in the screen that pops up when you touch the contact icon. Not as good as speech bubbles but it is threaded.

clonmult 03-03-2010 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unregistered (Post 459477)
What *applications* are you talking about? I've never seen fart piano on Symbian, so the iPhone will obviously have a huge advantage there.

And the 5230 does have threaded conversations for texting. If you set up your contacts on the home screen, all text messages associated with a contact are grouped together in the screen that pops up when you touch the contact icon. Not as good as speech bubbles but it is threaded.

That is the closest that the 5230 has to threaded messaging, but it isn't the full thing, and its not usable.

The Nokia Conversations app presented messages between you and another in a proper threaded layout, and you could reply in the same area. The threaded messaging on the 5230 doesn't work like that.

I'll echo your first comment - plenty of serious apps available for Symbian, I was just mentioning those that seem like they'll be more popular with the iPhone liking types.

The closest thing to a fart piano that I've seen is the Nokia sourced piano app. Which is truly dire. Although the step daughter did manage to get a recognisable tune out of it yesterday.

Unregistered 03-03-2010 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clonmult (Post 459480)
That is the closest that the 5230 has to threaded messaging, but it isn't the full thing, and its not usable.

I've been using it.

At least I though I was. But apparently it's not usable so I can't have been. I wonder what I've been doing all this time then?

I also have several good applications. But apparently but they must be a figment of my imagination too. By those that know best.

Unregistered 03-03-2010 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clonmult (Post 459480)
The threaded messaging on the 5230 doesn't work like that.

I know what it works like, I have one. I also stated it's not like the speech bubbles apps, but thanks for telling me anyway.


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