All About Symbian - Nokia (S60) and Sony Ericsson (UIQ) smartphones unwrapped

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Nokia 6600. My personal, first hand opinion

I have had my 6600 for a couple of days now and for those of you that are interested I have posted MY personal opinions about the phone below.

The phone cost £449 and was purchased in the UK from www.livetelecom.com After placing the order my phone arrived the next day.

The phone immediately prior my 6600 was the SPV e100 MS Smartphone and I have purposely compared the phones wherever possible.

I mainly use the phone for business type purposes. To me the camera stuff is a nice thing to have but not the main reason for buying the phone. I am not really interested in games however as a Tennis Addict is comparable on both the 6600 and SPV.

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The 6600 itself is far nicer in real life than any photograph you will have seen it in. I have the grey version, although in reality it colour is a much lighter shade than it looks on a photograph. I originally wanted the rose colour, but seeing the grey I'm more than happy with its colour.

The phone looks and feels delightful. The screen is better than the SPV's screen. The colours are sharp and vibrant - it really is fantastic. One down point however, is there is no way to control the backlight timeout, so I am constantly finding myself having to press a button to turn the light on when ready emails or browsing the web. Nor can the screensaver be turned off completely. A bit of a pain if you use a Today Type screen discussed below.

The buttons are a joy to use, far better than the SPV's. The centre joystick is quite firm and after several hours of playing my thumb is quite sore!!

Although the actual phone is gorgeous and its build quality very good I think you would cause some serious damage if it were to drop from your pocket. The battery cover is particularly flimsy, especially the 2 little clips on it.

Under the battery cover is the MMC slot, hidden under the battery. What a stupid place to put it! The SPV's SD card can be removed while the phone is still on.

The phone takes about 20 seconds to boot up, a little faster than the SPV. My 6600 has been on all day and I still have full battery strength. My SPV on the other hand would need to be re-charged again by about 8pm.

Now, if you love the Symbian OS you can stop reading further because you will love this phone. Period!

If however you are unbiased in your operating system preferences, read on.

I have several criticisms with the Symbian OS as you will see below. I also think parts of the OS are great. I also realise that many of the criticisms can be rectified with 3rd part add-ons, but as you will see only SOME of the 7650/3650 software works with this phone!!!

I was a little disappointed by the speed of the 6600. The menus lag somewhat and applications are not desperately fast to open. Overall it is about as quick as the SPV e100, but nowhere near as fast as the e200 which is out shortly (uses MS 2003 OS with Bluetooth, camera etc).

It's a shame the wasnít some sort of Pocket PC type Today Screen implemented into the OS. I find myself constantly looking at my phone to see what I am doing next and the Today Screen shows me right there without having to fiddle around. Unfortunately, the 2 Series 60 Today Screen apps I tried to install would not work on the 6600. The default screen on the SPV is fantastic - really useful.

The 6600 supports Themes, which can be customised to an extent - change colour etc. Again the SPV wins hands down here with their XML skins. The SPV can be completely transformed if you know a little XML. Indeed there are already thousands of fantastic skins available for the SPV.

The 6600 supports Wav files for ring tones and these are transferred across using the data suite. Standard wav files work fine although there is a slight pause in the loop as the wav rings, something that can be edited out of the SPV using a quick registry tweak. Not sure if this is possible on the 6600.

The worst thing about the 6600 is the email software. It is basic to say the least. There is no automatic polling to the email server and using a POP 3 email account you have to download the entire message with associated attachments. What a stupid idea. My first email connection yesterday resulted in 50 emails. Can you imagine how long it takes to download them? On the SPV it is no problem. Just set the software to retrieve the first 5KB of each message - perfect! Then the next problem...deleting the emails. No delete-all button. So one by one I have to delete them, and it is several clicks to delete each email. A good feature of the MS Smartphone OS is all the menus on the phone have numbers, so if delete is the 5th option down you just press 5. No need to scroll down the menu. URL's are not converted into clickable links either - bad. They are on the SPV. Ah, I hear you say, just go and buy a 3rd party email client for the 6600. I tried Active Mail which does everything I need, but you guessed it, it wont install in the 6600.

The XHTML browser is only good for basic web sites. It falls over on anything else. I had high hopes for the Opera browser, but I have to say I am disappointed with that too. It's clunky and the Smart Screen Rendering technology is not as good as I thought it would be. The SPV's IE browser is much better.

Nice to see in the 6600's calendar they have updated the day view. Now there is no need to scroll up and down the page to find your appointments. They are simply displayed one after another like on the SPV or Palm.

The 6600's camera is fantastic. Simple to use and it's quality has impressed everyone I have shown it to.

Hands-free on the phone is very good. Better than the SPV.

There is a handy print program, but it will only print to Bluetooth printers not IR. Shame.

There are lots of bundled apps on the phone and they work fine. The included games (snake and Mix Pix are so so).

Finally onto the very very worst thing about the 6600. The Nokia PC Suite!! If I want to sync my SPV I place it in a docking cradle and thatís it. No buttons to press, nothing to configure (e200 can also use Bluetooth). Sync is fast and it allows more than one phone to sync with Outlook and it allows you to sync only your contacts and not your partners for instance. I find this a very usefull feature as we use one copy of Outlook in my office but only my contacts get synched with my phone. Once the SPV is connected you can use Windows explorer to browse to EVERY file on the phone - You can only browse to a few folders using the data suite.

Now to the Nokia Data Suite. I have spent about 20 hours non-stop trying to get the bloody thing to work. I have invested in 2 different USB Bluetooth dongles and tried installation and reinstallation on 3 separate Windows XP machines several times. On every occasion the mRouter software just simply does not recognise the Virtual Com ports and consequently you can not connect your phone to your PC. I called Nokia and they said it's the Bluetooth manufacturers fault. I called them and they said it's Nokias fault!! I work in an IT environment and I am very computer literate, but neither I, nor anyone in my office can get this software to work! It's pathetic really. I installed the same software onto my laptop and hey presto it worked first time. But that's not good enough, I need it to work on my PC.

When the data suite eventually works, it's average. You can not do half the things with it that you can using Active Sync for the SPV.

So, my conclusions......Top marks for the 6600 it really is a fantastic piece of kit and like I said above if you love the Symbian OS you will love this phone. The OS is much slower than I thought however, the screen, camera and buttons on the other hand are better.

For me, the 2 most important things - email, web browsing are insufficient on the 6600, considering it is supposed to be a top of the range business type model. This can obviously be plugged when the 3rd apps arrived, but never the less I feel they should have been implemented in the first place.

Before you tell me to go and buy a P800, it's too big and ugly for me and I donít want touch screen device.

I'm not having a go at all you Nokia fans and yes I would be the first one to criticise the array of bugs in the SPV (and there are plenty).

I will be purchasing the SPV e200 when it arrives supposedly next week and depending on which model I prefer will determine which one to sell the following week!

Before you blast me for my views, please remember they are just that - my views. What is important to me in a phone may not be to you.

Nokia 6600 10/10
Symbian OS 6/10

SPV e100 8/10
MS Smartphone OS 8/10 (but buggy)!
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Old 31-10-2003, 07:33 PM
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My personal comments

I agree with you about the lack of a "Today" program, and the terrible weakness of the PC Suite software.

Here are some other objections I have:

No auto-keylock feature - you have to manually turn on keylock every time. My old T68i's auto-keylock was very nice. This is such an obvious feature, why isn't it there?

No alarm program. Again contra t68i.

The built in browser is quite weak. Odd error messages, randomly stops working, script errors with hotmail, etc.

A lack of helpful error messages (everything is "unable to complete," with no explanation) makes it very difficult to troubleshoot problems.

Difficult (no success so far) to configure Palm to use it as a modem.

Bluetooth connection software for PCs is very weak; compatibility issues of various kinds with my 3com bluetooth card, and apparently other people's as well. Even SE's terrible software was better than this!


And here's what I think was done very well:

I find the menus to be very fast, really quite pleasing. But then again, the menus on the t68i were crud-slow.

The contact menus are very inuitive. The configuration menus, perhaps less so.

The messaging software is excellent. I haven't been able to get the e-mail client to connect to my IMAP server yet (see my thread on GPRS problems), but the SMS and MMS software is very intuitive and integrates well with the contacts application.

The screen is beautiful. Gorgeous color, and I love the analog clock. I'm looking forward to the availability of more themes.

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Old 31-10-2003, 08:04 PM
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slow or not slow?

So after reading your impressions about 6600, my question is: are the menus slow or not, since you disagree in this matter!
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Old 31-10-2003, 08:16 PM
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Well, I guess they're faster than on the T68i, and slower than on whatever phone he had before.

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Old 12-09-2004, 06:18 AM
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6600 Contacts Transfer

Hello Can Anyone Tell Me How To Transfer My Contacts To The Pc All At Once Using Bluetooth. I Can Transfer Them One By One But Cannot Do It All Together. Await Response Thanks

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Old 31-10-2003, 08:32 PM
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well i used it as well and tech. yea the menu is a lil slower than of the 7650, but u will never care bot tht since the overall thing is beautiful. also on the 65k disp. i so dint like how the folders looked on it. very dull yellow. my opinion only. but then for tht launcher is always there. i rekon its a wicked phone and a must buy for 7650 users who always wanted more mem and other stuff. 9 out of 10 overall. waitin till the price in the grey mart goes to $500. not yet official in my country thts y.
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Old 31-10-2003, 08:51 PM
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Pagemakers,

Thanks for your optinion.

A couple of points.

The 6600 WILL come bundled with opera, so I think you were just a little quick getting one.

The rather useful "today" type screen, is not on the 6600, but it is on the Sendo X.

I was thinking about the 6600, but am moving toward the X now.

I truely dispise mircosoft, but I must agree that some areas of their phone OS is way better than Symbian. Symbian users seem to defend there OS to the point of being blind, and would be far batter trying to get symbian to get their act together.

Saying that, I will never buy a MS phone

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Old 31-10-2003, 10:20 PM
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Al3xandr3: I have had a T68 and it is MUCH faster than that. It is no faster however than the SPV.

moamoa: Opera is pre-installed on the phone via the MMC card. It's just not very impressive. Go and have a play with the new e200 using MS 2003, you may be pleasantly surprised


PS: 5 more hours and still can't get data suite to work on any of my PC's. Shame such a good phone is let down but such a poor piece of software.
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Old 31-10-2003, 10:42 PM
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Ok. My terms of comparison are only the 7650 and the 3650. The 7650 I think it's ok in terms of speed, but, 3650 is very slow....

Where would you put 6600? between them? faster or slower than both?
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Never had a 3650 and can't remember the speed of the 7650.

It's not slow, but it's not fast either!

EG: Click calendar and it takes nearly a second to open. Judge for yourself.
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well, that may be ok. in the 7650 the calendar takes 1 sec to open and the messeges 1.1 sec either. the other ones are instantly. (didn't test them all though) but it seems it is like the 7650, so it's ok to me!

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hey pagemakers can u tell me whts exactly wrong with the PC suite of this thing neways. i mean y cant u connect. today i am using a 7650 and i did have the p800 for a week. the problem i faced of both the pc suites that i cud send files but i could not install them direct from the pc to the phone. i simply had to beam the file on the phone. todate i am still usin that method. then i found out that the LAN connection i was usin it comes with the software, i have to uninstall the software and reboot after that both phones were workin with pc suite. how many 6600 owners have had this problem as yet ? u reckon ill have it as well? by the way i use IR on windows xp pro. so are there ne major flaws in the phone as yet ppl ?
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well.... actually.... using nokia's pc suite with an ir device wouldn't give you problems. it's with the bluetooth connection that has the problem.

it has something to do with the bluetooth software, nokia connection manager and Mroute. for some strange reasons, thi sis the only problems i encounter and yes, it takes so much time and effort to correct the problem. and sometimes, it may never be corrected.

what i did find working in both my desktop and laptop with XPpro OS is the 3com bluetooth software, TDK bluetooth software and Jabra's bluetooth software. others really scuk or malfunction on nokia's software.
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ahhhh ok so ir works fine . thx, thts wht worried me. i dont think i am ever goin to get BT on my pc. but i really wna get a BT headset for the 6600. well ill guess ill save more after gettin 6600:p.
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Quote:
Originally posted by moamoa

I truely dispise mircosoft, but I must agree that some areas of their phone OS is way better than Symbian. Symbian users seem to defend there OS to the point of being blind, and would be far batter trying to get symbian to get their act together.

I think people are getting confused about what Symbian is. Symbian is the operating system only i.e the stuff the user does not see. Its not the user interface or PC suite integration or any of the applications like contacts. I think most of the critisisms are about Nokia's Series 60 software and how its implemented on their devices and not the Symbian OS itself.
 

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