All About Symbian - Nokia (S60) and Sony Ericsson (UIQ) smartphones unwrapped

Old 12-02-2008, 11:06 AM
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S60 Touch UI coming along nicely?

Below the break, there's an interesting video demo of some of the features in the upcoming S60 Touch UI, showing standby screen shortcuts, list scrolling and explaining touch interaction in Web. Good to see so much emphasis is being placed on consistency with existing the S60 3rd Edition platform, too...

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Old 12-02-2008, 11:26 AM
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If they're putting all their efforts into this, does that mean that those of us who aren't interested in a touch interface but simply want better PIM apps and simpler connection handling are going to be disappointed? The urge to try other UIs is getting stronger and stronger, frankly.

Old 12-02-2008, 11:27 AM
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This was posted yesterday on Gizmodo:

The comments were all complaining about how it doesn't have animations and transistions and such like as the iPhone does.

Since Series 60 doesn't have these transistions anyway are they really that important? I tend to find they get in the way anyway - look at the MultiMedia menu on the N95.

I like how they have kept the UI the same though. If it stays the same as Series 60 now but with the optional ability of a touch screen I will be happy - I don't have a UIQ or WinMo device as you can't really use them without using the touch screen.

Oh, and the video appears to show a tabbed home screen - that would be useful on current models!

Old 12-02-2008, 11:34 AM
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I saw the gizmodo video yesterday and it scared the hell out of me.

It has nothing to do wit the sleek video presented last year. I know it's just a beta thing running on a tablet pc, but still it's awful. It doesn't have any eyecandy (and altough some of you may find it unnecessary, it's not completely) and everything is so slow. Ok, due to the beta we all want to believe that.

On the other hand, why do you have to tap an icon to select it and another one to open it? Just to make it consistent with non Touch S60 versions? Where is the Touch advantage if everything is slower than on current handsets?

Regarding the UI, everything looks dark, awful icons, a confusing and oversized stand by screen... I don't know, I find it all very unapealling and dull.

I have the secret hope that this is just because this is still in beta (alpha?) stages. Hopefully.
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Old 12-02-2008, 12:19 PM
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This is not something I am eager for. I won't really be able to do anything I can't do now.

Old 12-02-2008, 12:19 PM
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I do not think it is good to stay consistant with todays S60 UI. Look at the apple iphone: The interface is only so good because they created a ui for finger touch screen from start. If you just put touch ui on top of todays ui, it will not be simple enough. I hate the special menu keys you find e.g. in the Nokia N81 or the front "eye candy" menu of htc touch. A touch screen ui has to be simple.

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when I first heard about the touch UI, I was very happy because it would make web browsing simpler and intuitive, than usind the d-pad. But the video which appeard on gizmodo yesterday is simply ugly and it did not felt good at all. yak

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Not anytime soon it seems..

Showing a touch-screen os through a tablet running off a pc? Heh, heh, I wouldn´t hold my breath if I were you. Since the new flagship N96 doesn´t have it then it´ll be a while yet. Still, it´s bound to happen..

I better pull out my Palm III again (which was fun..) and start practicing curser input cos next thing you know I´ll be writing phone numbers by stylus! ;-)

Old 12-02-2008, 02:18 PM
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I don't have a pocket that big

Nokia are blatantly copying the iPhone as much as possible which is good in once sense since the iPhone puts a lot of emphasis on simplicity.
Even the 'eye candy' transitions on the iPhone serve to guide the user from one menu level to another. They are incredibly well designed and executed.

Apple control and own most of the s/w and hardware and so can optimize for user experience. Nokia has to coordinate a massive amount of suppliers and has to satisfy internal and external customers, maintain compatibility and implement a load of standards which leads to technocratic leadership rather than design oriented development.

Of course Nokia can afford to make their first phone a loss leader, just to be out there in the market. But the danger comes where they start sacrificing the very thing that put them there - cheap, easy to use T9 texting machines.

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Please enhance PIM Apps, Nokia!

I agree with 'neilhoskins' and share his fears. Nokia seemed to be so strong and I really thought, they had Touch UI ready in their drawer. But what a disappointment. So they have to make a lot of efforts to keep on (or better: keep far behind) the iPhone and this can't be good for the PIM Apps and some other things.

When the iPhone SDK is available and if Business People buy the iPhone, the market will bring us Psion-like PIM Apps ... and this means: good bye Nokia Communicator and E-Series!

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If they're putting all their efforts into this, does that mean that those of us who aren't interested in a touch interface but simply want better PIM apps and simpler connection handling are going to be disappointed?
This is just a demo of handling the touch interface on S60. Its ok, but as some of the commenters mentioned, the paradigm of just doing with a finger what is already done with a slew of button presses isn't the way to go. This was only a demo though, and surely someone has to be there speaking about "taps to execution" in regards to this. The best types of UIs are the ones where you think and go, not where you think, dig, navigate, and go.

I'm with you in saying that the applications need a good bit of massaging as well, they aren't my idea of a good user experience or relevant user interface either. Doing both at the same time shouldn't be an issue, but then again, you don't want an issue of disconnected UI methodologies as Nokia has in several apps on their Internet Tablets with OS2008.

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With a wide range of platforms at Nokia's disposal, there's still place for something better than S60 Touch.
Imagine N8xx tablets loose weight and gain GSM - and there you may have a strong open-source-based touch-screen competitor to googlophones and iphones...
If only there was a decent handwriting recognition system a-lá SonyEricsson's JotPro...adapted for a finger-writing...hmm...
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Yes, a smaller N810 with GSM would be some exciting, not the N96 or this so yesterday S60 touch UI. Even Sony Ericsson has better offerings this year (Sony Xperia X1)

Old 12-02-2008, 10:44 PM
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I have to say that I'm disappointed by the decision to stay consistent with the old s60 interface. I was hoping that Nokia would more bold. This is only going to slow penetration of Apple, Danger-MS.

Its not to say that I like the iPhone, I don't. And I definitely do not care about the eye candy - the commenters are idiot as that is the last part of the UI to go on. But the decision to keep it consistent with the old s60 interface is causing s60 to get very bloated - completely against Symbian philosophy.

For example, how many navigation methods are there on an N95? Its getting ridiculous.

I would go for a S60 4th edition and completely rework soft key and touch versions for a new uncluttered interface.

Then again I don't run Nokia.

Old 13-02-2008, 08:28 AM
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>> the commenters are idiot as that is the last part of the UI to go on

Lark you show a complete lack of understanding for software and the industry.
First of all, as I mentioned Apple 'eye candy' is functional - it guides the user and I don't think it's an after thought at all. Optimizing the transitions so that the UI flows smoothly while music is playing for instance is a big job which requires coordination across many software teams. You can always tell when it's an afterthought rushed through by marketing (and people like you who insist that it's as easy as icing a cake really don't help the industry).

So i fiercely disagree with your stance and your churlish ad hominem attack exposes your narrow mindedness.

>> I would go for a S60 4th edition
There is no 4the edition since the number 4 is considered unlucky in some cultures.
In my culture, all non-prime numbers are considered offensive and un pure but not everyone shares the views of my people.

>> completely against Symbian philosophy.
Symbian's philosophy is to make as much money as possible - Symbian is an OS provider and as such does not design UIs. It does not dictate which apps should go into a product or what the keys should do.

>>stay consistent with the old s60 interface.
I don't think there is anything consistent with s60 interface.


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