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Old 25-06-2010, 07:20 AM
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So once the masses find out the N8 is the last of that os will they still wanna buy the device remeber the man/lady in tthe pub wants the apps.. one news story even if misreported could blow holes in the N8 mass sales.
When oh when am i going to have the option of a power of an n900 device which is also as capable of email/ document usage as a E71 E72?

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Old 25-06-2010, 07:23 AM
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So now we have N8 which is Symbian ^3, then Symbian^4 is coming, a complete ground-up rewrite, but future high-end devices will be Meego.

So to avoid being a Nokia Guinea Pig, won't buy any high-end Nokia for a least 12 months!

Would a Nokia Android device mean the end of civilisation as we know it?

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Old 25-06-2010, 07:44 AM
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Here comes Rafe... the omni present Symbian apologist ;-)

Sorry mate, Meego is the only hope Nokia has. The good thing is the people in charge in Finland seem to realize this.
And here comes Arthur, who NEVER has anything positive to say...

Please explain why you believe that Symbian has no future, or perhaps you can't, because you are so clearly wrong...

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Old 25-06-2010, 07:46 AM
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In what way are Symbian and MeeGo years behind iOS or Android? Sure, you can mention the UI on S60/5th being relatively archaic, but the way people talk its as if its actually difficult to use. If you can't understand the overall operation of a 5800 or N97, then you quite possibly have "breath" tattooed on your eyelids as a reminder.
Let's be honest, the iPhone UI is fairly archaic, simply presenting many screens of icons. Funnily enough, the iOS4 UI adopts a system whereby icons can be arranged in folders, much like S60...

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Old 25-06-2010, 08:06 AM
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"Let's be honest, the iPhone UI is fairly archaic, simply presenting many screens of icons. Funnily enough, the iOS4 UI adopts a system whereby icons can be arranged in folders, much like S60..."

Indeed. iOS is gradually catching up with where S60 was in 2003. It even has partial multitasking, so that's roughly where Psion were in 1990. And the iPhone's camera has almost caught up with the Nokia N82 of 2007. They'll get there in the end.

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Let's be honest, the iPhone UI is fairly archaic, simply presenting many screens of icons. Funnily enough, the iOS4 UI adopts a system whereby icons can be arranged in folders, much like S60...
It is looking a bit dated, but it's still fit for purpose.

Does it or any of the Android skins not do what they need to do? Symbian^3 will also be there as good as they need to be. There is no new innovation here, we still wait for that from any OS.

The only problems with current UIs are when the makers try and add too much - fancy transitions and animations just for the sake of pretty without purpose. Win Mobile I am looking at you.

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Old 25-06-2010, 09:14 AM
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reading is difficult

For the unregistered users above who seem to have trouble reading:
The N8 will be the last N-Series device running Symbian. Symbian^3 will be used for other devices, and total Symbian sales will exceed those of the iphone or Android devices this and next year. Seeing the replacement cycles for smartphones are within that timeframe, there is no need to fear that you are buying into a dying system.
Since Symbian^3 is an evolution from ^1 (aka S60 5th edition), you can expect ^1 applications to run on it. While there is not as big a choice as for the iphone or Android, all general needs are covered by what there is, and I personally feel that there are enough extras to keep you playing around for a while as well.
As for waiting for Symbian^4: The N8 probably won't get an update to this (though who knows?). Unlike Apple, Nokia has a lot of different devices on offer, and can't reasonably be expected to update them all with all new features. You have to know whether getting a device in a form factor and with capabilities that best suit you instead of a one-size-fits all is a trade-off for you. Considering that iphone updates of recent years have not brought much in the way of functionality that Symbian doesn't already have, I'd say you don't lose too much here. Plus Nokia does issue new firmware (at least for its more popular devices) on a far more frequent basis than Apple. My 5800 is a much better device now than it was when I bought it (though there was no big fanfare about new things being added, just quiet, efficient, unproblematic OTA udpates that didn't even require connection to a computer).
If you need fancy transitions and UI glitz at every step of the way, then wait if ^4 brings this - or go somewhere else. The iphone may be the phone for you, or maybe Android, or give Bada a try. There are a lot of systems out there. I won't slag off any of them - they all have their strengths and weaknesses, and you as the customer have to decide which you think best fits you.
Just be aware that, whatever the U.S.-centric blogosphere may be saying, Symbian is here to stay for a long time, and is a viable choice for many people.
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Old 25-06-2010, 11:24 AM
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Still waiting for proper internet radio app for that.
TuneWiki has perfect support for shoutcast radio.

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Old 25-06-2010, 11:26 AM
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Yea symbian is being pushed down to the masses. But it is all over for the days in top of the line no expense flag ship models.

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Hi Steve Litchfield. I don't know why you say that about the iphone'4s camera. From all the sample pictures, its clear the sensor is the most sensitive one used in phones by quite a margin. Yes the N8 does have more megapixels but its quality per pixel isn't as good.

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N8 app support and compatibility

Here is little FAQ for people who are concerned about software support for the N8 and Symbian^3:

- Will the N8 be able to run all the apps and games that are already made for S60 5th?

YES! Symbian^3 is backwards compatible while also having the new native Qt system integrated into the OS. So, essentially you can say the Symbian^3 is a hybrid since it has both the S60/Avkon system AS WELL AS the new Qt system.

- Will the N8 be able to run all the Java apps written for S60 5th J2ME?

YES! It will run just fine, and probably a lot faster than on S60 5th devices.

- Will apps written in Qt for the N8 / Symbian^3 run on future Symbian^4 devices?

YES! That's one of cardinal ideas behind Qt, the aim is to throw out S60/Avkon in Symbian^4.

- Will Qt apps also run on older S60 5th devices?

YES! With an automatic download of the Qt libraries through a smart installer, this will work also. The user shouldn't notice anything.

- Will developers writing Qt apps for the N8 be able to publish them for Maemo/Meego devices?

YES! The Qt SDK supports building the SAME source-code for both platforms. Qt works in exactly the same way across Maemo/Meego, Symbian^3 and Symbian^4. Even games written in Qt and OpenGL ES can be build and hence work on those platforms.

- Will Symbian^4 be able to run old native S60 apps?

No, it will not. That's why Symbian^3 is first - to bridge the app support going from the old systems to the new unified Qt system.

Hope this answers people concerns.

/Henrik...

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Old 25-06-2010, 11:57 AM
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Hi Steve Litchfield. I don't know why you say that about the iphone'4s camera. From all the sample pictures, its clear the sensor is the most sensitive one used in phones by quite a margin. Yes the N8 does have more megapixels but its quality per pixel isn't as good.
Oh really. I believe you, your proof seems to be valid and scientifically sound.

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Oh what a mess! Symbian, MeeGo, Maemo..?!

Looks like he's deserting a sinking ship:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/25/charles_davies/

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Old 25-06-2010, 12:16 PM
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Hi Steve Litchfield. I don't know why you say that about the iphone'4s camera. From all the sample pictures, its clear the sensor is the most sensitive one used in phones by quite a margin. Yes the N8 does have more megapixels but its quality per pixel isn't as good.
Have you seen any side-by-side examples of both of them?

As for sensitivity, until someone gets a high end Nikon sensor with 100,000+ISO sensitivity into a phone, the best way of capturing the moment in a low light situation is with a xenon flash. Not LEDs.

The iPhone 4 can apparently do okay in low light, but I'm willing to bet that it'll be lousy in comparison to what the N8 can do. Remember how good the N82 was in low light, due to it having a flash?

The N8 camera has (as has been mentioned on these pages, and you obviously missed) the largest sensor in a mobile by far, and larger than most compact dedicated cameras. As a result (and using Jobs' style here) it has considerably more photons reaching each sensor than anything else out there - as a result it should be considerably better.

But we'll wait until someone does a genuine comparison.

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Here is little FAQ for people who are concerned about software support for the N8 and Symbian^3:

- Will the N8 be able to run all the apps and games that are already made for S60 5th?

YES! Symbian^3 is backwards compatible while also having the new native Qt system integrated into the OS. So, essentially you can say the Symbian^3 is a hybrid since it has both the S60/Avkon system AS WELL AS the new Qt system.
Symbian^3 will behave differently in respect to older versions, a single tap will now be used to select an entry, instead of highlighting it. This also means that code has to be adepted.

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- Will apps written in Qt for the N8 / Symbian^3 run on future Symbian^4 devices?

YES! That's one of cardinal ideas behind Qt, the aim is to throw out S60/Avkon in Symbian^4.

- Will Qt apps also run on older S60 5th devices?

YES! With an automatic download of the Qt libraries through a smart installer, this will work also. The user shouldn't notice anything.

- Will developers writing Qt apps for the N8 be able to publish them for Maemo/Meego devices?

YES! The Qt SDK supports building the SAME source-code for both platforms. Qt works in exactly the same way across Maemo/Meego, Symbian^3 and Symbian^4. Even games written in Qt and OpenGL ES can be build and hence work on those platforms.
Note that this is source code compatibility, not binary compatibility. Apps will have to be recompiled, and binaries for one platform will not work on another one.

Also note that Symbian C++ engines and code that uses Symbian API's cannot be used on MeeGo without porting them to Standard C++ and Linux.
 

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