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Nokia fights back with new developer offerings

Nokia have made a number of developer announcements today, which significantly strengthen their developer services and offerings. Perhaps most interesting is news of a public beta service that allows developers to get their content Symbian Signed at no cost (compared to a first time signing cost of up to $215). Also important is the news that individuals can now register as Ovi Publishers (previously restricted to companies) and the Ovi Store is now accepting Qt based applications. Finally, and the most significant in the long term, is the first full release of the Nokia Qt SDK 1.0 and the accompanying Nokia Smart Installer (previously in beta). Read on for additional details.

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Old 23-06-2010, 01:37 PM
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Again the Flagship N97 is left out of the supported list

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WRT on MeeGo?

Will WRT-Stuff work on MeeGo?

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Old 23-06-2010, 02:34 PM
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Yes WRT will be available in MeeGo - Meego 1.1 I think it is (check the roadmap). There are some changes in packaging compared to current WRT - moving towards the W2C standard I believe - that applies to Symbian^4 as well.

Maemo (i.e. N900) does not support WRT.
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WRT on MeeGo

No WRT, doesn't work on MeeGo. At least not by default. You could still wrap your WRT app in some Qt application using QtWebKit.

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Old 23-06-2010, 03:27 PM
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Arrggghhhh! Still not possible to upload Python programs :-| Python for S60 is the master piece of Nokia. (At least) The Runtime should be included in any new S60-Phone. Python enables most people who have programming experience in any language (BASIC, OPL, C, C++) to write excellent programs for S60. Please note: Even if you can program in C++ (like me), that doesn't mean that you can program for Symbian. It's a steep learning curve and installing the SDK is a nightmare (you need a special Active State PERL version, which is no more available, need the GNU-Development chain, ...).

With Python you install Python 1.4.5 (because of PED) and Python 2.0 on your phone (2.0 also on your PC), install the Python IDE PED (on your phone!). Then you write your scripts on the phone, start and test it directly from within PED. When ready, you test it with 2.0, send it to your PC, where you have installed the Python-Kit from Nokia, start the PyS60 Application Packager (GUI-Program) and create a ".sis".

For the first time you distribute your programs, currently (at least for S60 3rd FP1) it's necessary to deliver the Python Runtime and pips.sis (included in the PC installation), which any user must install, before he can install Python scripts (afaik for 3rd ED FP2 onwards it's possible to include runtime and pips in the sis). It's really that simple. You can find some examples from me on http://www.aikon.ch in the "Programmierer Forum". The runtime is in Calcapp.sis, the other program is a interface to the Symbian inbuild SQL database. I have both tested on Nokias RDA on N97 (S60 5th), they worked - I am using an E90 communicator.

Last but nut least: Python programs using appuifw (you can also write command line programs) look like native S60 Applications and start much faster than Java-Midlets.

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Old 30-06-2010, 05:19 AM
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Arrggghhhh! Still not possible to upload Python programs :-| Python for S60 is the master piece of Nokia. ...
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I completely agree and I am going further to say Nokia MUST include JAVA if this war is to be won.

Normally we should just watch these commercial wars but this time is different. And I felt so compelled to register just to say this. At least this site there are many good sane folks.

If Apple gets its way it will mean all the struggle to go Open source wash down the drain. Not only that Apple is trying to also wash down all existing de facto standards in THEIR name of better iPhone efficiency.

It used to be that for developers to look at the install base of desktop computers and decide to invest on a sensible platform. Years ago it got to be Windows locking out better apps. With the help of JAVA and to some commercial extent Adobe Flash, the web-based apps could flourish freed from Mac and Windows. Now the equation have changed with iPhone OS. One has to look at the install base # of mobile phones because that is what our users will enter the digital world.

This now means Nokia is not facing a hardware driven strategy issue. It is at this MOST important historical juncture to decide the future of computing development. Unfortunately, Symbian libs though efficient but was never prepared this big task. This is why a higher language like Python is so important.

An analogy will be DBMS like Oracle, DB2, Informix. Only until their introduction of 4GL on these DB platforms that good commercial apps start to flourish and revolutionised the corporate apps. The reason is simple: apps developers cannot afford the time to deal with unnecessarily low level details. That is why COCOA from Apple make a lot of sense but still not good enough.

QT is a good effort but I see it as implement useful class libs for other high level developers to use. Nokia must now decide how to reign in all developers with existing OPEN skills.
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... The reason is simple: apps developers cannot afford the time to deal with unnecessarily low level details...
I also agree that Nokia should be more open to new developer offerings.
Then when I read samson432`s comment, just wanted to mention my problem about time...

I am dealing with this WRT project for my studies and during my presentations, I will have to make changes in the code and show the results on the app more than 1 time.

But I have limited time for the presentation and it wastes so much time to send the app to the device and reinstall it everytime.. Am I too impatient or does anyone else have such time issues reinstalling WRT widgets??

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Fights back against whom? Do you mean Apple or Android? I would say the battle is pretty much lost.

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Old 23-06-2010, 05:31 PM
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Fights back against whom? Do you mean Apple or Android? I would say the battle is pretty much lost.
Then you have a very negative attitude and I wouldn't have someone like you on my team.

Interesting definition of 'lost' when Symbian is still market leader.

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The battle perhaps, but the war not. Symbian has 100+ million new troops (i.e. phones/devices) entering the battle field every year, on top of the 200+ million (probably more) troops they already have there. Any supplier of ammunition would be stupid to completely overlook that kind of potential.

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Lost? No! Untap? Yes

Instead of saying symbian has lost, I think symbian is an untap market.

With an estimate of 500 million symbian phone on at the same time (based on IMEI), I think symbian is a great untap market, since ovi store just born.

A smart developer will try to cash in this untap market as soon as possible.

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As a developer I don't like the introduction of free symbian signing, without the need for a publisher ID. This will mean that in short time the OVI Store will be filled with thusands of crappy content, made by non-professional developers. 215$ to start a business is still a very low fee, and was effective to keep out kids and non-serious developers (most of them chinese) from filling the market with crap or low quality clone applications. Not a good move in my opinion.

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This will mean that in short time the OVI Store will be filled with thusands of crappy content, made by non-professional developers. 215$ to start a business is still a very low fee, and was effective to keep out kids and non-serious developers (most of them chinese) from filling the market with crap or low quality clone applications.
Frankly in my opinion, so far the Ovi Store is filled with crappy content. Not thousands, but what's there is in the majority, rubbish.

In fact I'm amazed at the poor quality given the previous need to be a "business" to do apps, but then it costs virtually nothing to get a registered company, at least in the UK (I know, as I'm a contractor).

There has also been some rather dubious apps with suspicious activities (one I reported along with a lot of others because it was doing call backs on a premium number without permission or informing the user!).

I don't trust apps in the Ovi Store. Most have over inflated opinions of their features, and in general are not reliably compatible with all phones, even when they do advertise as being compatible with yours. Having to spend money on an app only to find it doesn't work and there's no one to contact or the "business" web site for the app looks like one of those shoddy malware or crap ringtone peddler web sites.

I welcome community apps. Yes there will be rubbish, but there will also be quality stuff, open source hopefuly, from people who care and enjoy creating applications, instead of from companies who just want to churn out crap and charge a fortune for it, because until Apple came along, they realised it was easy money from gullible fools.

Oh, and there are a few exceptions in the Ovi Store. Ovi Maps, Sportstracker and Gravity.

Maybe apps will need to be vetted though to weed out anything that will break your phone, but so long as it doesn't go as far as Apple in restrictions.

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Qt vs. Python vs. the "old" Symbian C++ SDK

@Peter Sulzer:

The whole idea with the new Qt SDK is to get rid of the old Symbian API and Symbian C++.

Qt is based on Open C/C++ and the IDE and SDK is really easy to install and use, it only took me 10 minutes to get everything up and running, including on-device debugging and everything. It is really great.
Application speed of Qt programs is native.

Python's interpreted approach is slow.

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