All About Symbian - Nokia (S60) and Sony Ericsson (UIQ) smartphones unwrapped

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Old 29-04-2008, 03:31 PM
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Sygic/McGuider GPS available now!

Garmin and the rest of you, watch out - McGuider has landed!

Unfortunately it's locked to the 2GB microSD you receive, so N95 8GB owners are not invited to the party.

www.mcguider.com

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Old 29-04-2008, 03:41 PM
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I thought the N96 had a card slot as well?

Anyways, sygic have not impressed me, I asked them a few days ago when they expected a release, and didnt even get a reply.

Frantically doing this copilot review atm. Will worry about sygic later, but I find it daft they are automatically alienating all N95 8GB users.

Cheers for the heads up though SBC.

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Old 29-04-2008, 05:17 PM
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Trust me it runs lovely on my 95 8gb...dont ask me how,why,what etc just trust me its great.

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Old 29-04-2008, 06:32 PM
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Well, it's good to see another player come to the market, and from the limited screen shots, it looks more like an application that could, for me anyway, challenge TomTom.

Regarding the installation and whether you are tied to the supplied card, the McGuider site has this to say...

Can I copy the content to another SDcard, i.e. 4 GB in order to save additional data?
Yes. In case you need to transfer the data to another SDcard, please contact the Tele Atlas Service Centre and keep your product code ready. Please keep in mind that you can transfer the data only once.


Could I save the SDcard content on the internal hard disk of the mobile phone, i.e. like for the Nokia N95 8GB?
Data can be transferred with the product code (please see above)


It's reasonably priced but I'd have to see it working before making a decision. It's a shame there is no demo for this kind of stuff. So hopefully Bartmanekul will get a copy and review it all for us
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Old 29-04-2008, 07:14 PM
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Possibly, but unless they donate a copy to me, I shall not be buying one to review.

Copilot review should be up soon, just doing the screenies now.
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Old 29-04-2008, 07:27 PM
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I registered with Sygic some while back when they were asking for people to join their test network, but like you, I never heard anything back :(

It certainly does have an impressive spec list but as with so many things nowadays, the proof is in the pudding and I ain't buying until I've had a proper taste

One thing did concern me though, but I might just be reading it wrong, is that they say you can swap the contents of the McGuider card to a new, larger card, but only once. So what happens when 16GB cards come out and I want to upgrade but then can't because I can't swap my McGuider app over ? It just doesn't make sense tying your product down to a piece of hardware like this. The whole point of it being in a mobile phone is that it's portable and a viable alternative to a standalone unit. TomTom's concept of offering their software on a DVD, allowing the user to dictate installs, and then activating maps is far better, but then maybe that's more open to piracy and maybe that's why TomTom have gone deathly quiet on the smartphone front.

Nokia follow a similar principle, allowing the user to download and install the app and maps for free, but then charging for the Navigation and other options (like the upcoming RTTI function). I just think that currently, Maps isn't as well featured as TomTom, but has great potential.

I personally need something sorting out soon. My TomTom maps are now getting older, and more often I find a new road, or re routed section that doesn't exist on my TT map. So they need to sort themselves out or I am off to another app, and Sygic looks very interesting.
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Old 29-04-2008, 07:45 PM
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I cant think they would really lock it to a card once only, thats really odd. What if you lose your card, or it becomes corrupted?

Doesnt make any sense for piracy either, look at Garmin and their locked card, didnt do them any good.

I think it just cuts down on costs, running an online activation system would be rather costly I assume.

If your looking for a new GPS system, Im stuck between recommending garmin or copilot.

Your right to be wary of sygic, I did get a test trial earlier on, but the routing was...shit, to put it bluntly. And the program was actually very buggy. No doubt they will have improved on that, but theres no way Im paying for another satnav that might be as bad at routing as Route66 (yes, I know some people like it, but I think it sends you round the houses).

One thing I am really suspicous about, is that to move it to memory card you should contact Tele Atlas Service Centre. You what? They probably have nothing to do with it. Its a third party selling it from sygic, and sygic gets the maps from Teleatlas. AFAIK, Teleatlas is just a map provider, nothing else.

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I look forward to reading the Co-Pilot review soon
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Aye, though tbh it would probably help if I hadnt had so many shots. Just as well its just screenshots left really.

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I have had no response from Sygic either, when trying to get in contacts, so it looks like it's their way of doing business...

Most likely you can order one single extra serial for each purchase. This means that of course your original card will still function, but you can only unlock 1 other card/internal drive.

You want to try this one out, bartmanekul. Believe me. The frame rate alone is enough to raise your pulse. SO much better than Garmin. I have seen the late betas run and they have improved a lot during the past few months.

Teleatlas seems to have collected all the software using their maps on their own site. Makes sense, I guess, and that is also the reason why you should contact their support for a license transfer. A lot better than being dependant on Sygics own 'support' IMHO

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I will, if anyone ever gets back to me

Im suprised at people going on about Garmins frame rate. Ive got a 6110 which has lower ram than any of the N95's, yet I dont have a problem with it.

Im just wondering at the routing - I'll give it a go, if they give me a test copy.

Comparing that side by side using KML files with garmin, navigon and copilot will be very interesting.

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Right... I can't believe that no one else seems to have noticed the severe problem with low fps on the Garmin, so I have searched YouTube to find some clips for you to compare Garmin to Sygic. Remember that Sygic McGuider has just been released, so the clips you are about to see are done using a beta version, and fps is one of the thing they have done a LOT of work on.

The first clip is a side by side comparison. Sounds perfect, but unfortunately the video was shot by Shaking McShaky from ShakyRock, so you have to focus on one device at a time. It can be done, but it is a bit hard on the eyes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JbhSszWIsw

The low fps issue seems to be inherrent to the Garmin software, platform independant. This means that comparing between at least related platforms can be done. Just check out a few Garmin clips on YouTube if you don't believe me.

Here's Sygic performing on the UIQ platform:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUHtJUpU23Q

Compared to this N95 8GB running Garmin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L6Px_U5gF8

So... You see what I am talking about? Max 1 frame per second on the Garmin versus 8-15 on the Sygic? It makes a heck of a difference, especially in turns and sharp corners.

As you might have guessed, I have talked myself into ordering the McGuider. Can't wait for it to arrive

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My version of Garmin doesnt seem to run as slow as the shots shown on You Tube; However Sygic does look alot better and its got lane guidence which is only available on the Tomtom 930, unless anyone knows any different. If anyone knows how to copy the data over from the microSD card, can they pm me? £53 is too bad either..
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If anyone knows how to copy the data over from the microSD card, can they pm me?
See my previous post....

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/forum...21&postcount=4
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I do see the difference now, though on mine Garmin isnt that slow, although sygic does look faster.

Id be extremely interested to know what you think SBC, let me know.

Ah, running Garmin again, its almost as fast as Sygic.

Reason being, the Garmin view is zoomed out a bit more. The sygic one is up close. If you zoom in on the Garmin one more, it seems a lot faster.

So in actual fact, Garmin still isnt as fast, but is not too far off.

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