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i would be quite happy with the p799, the version without the camera.

[quote="steed"]so there was me whit my p800 😃 [] and there is my friand whit his nokia 3650 😃 [].....
so i say 😃[] hi and then he say 😃 hi[] then i say 😃 []what so funny ?
so then he say 😃[] well u dont have a Video capture 😃
so i say .... :evil: then :-? then 😞 😞 😞
the end 😞[/quote]

...How about replying: Haha, you can't play MP3's in STEREO, haha my screen is TWICE the size of yours and it's touch sensitive as well, haha.. bla bla bla..

If you care that much about recording a very small, really bad quality video clip, then go ahead and exchange your P800 for a N3650. But if you care about any real PDA use, then keep your P800 and ignore your mate showing off his "kiddie-toy". :P

How about the obvious one.... PDA functionality that separates it from any other cellular phone in the market to-date.. Those Nokias are toys and will die out very quickly. The fact that they have AT&T marketting it in the states should tell you that it's child's play.

[quote="steed"]so there was me whit my p800 😃 [] and there is my friand whit his nokia 3650 😃 [].....
so i say 😃[] hi and then he say 😃 hi[] then i say 😃 []what so funny ?
so then he say 😃[] well u dont have a Video capture 😃
so i say .... :evil: then :-? then 😞 😞 😞
the end 😞[/quote]

hahahahahahahahahaha, thats hilarious

i'm gay
so no more hahaha's

:angel: Good speech! Hail to Lord Raven!

In fact our P800 is so much powerful than N3650. Our phone can do more wonders and magic than N7650 too.

We can have personal Java... theirs... can't 😃 😃
We are UIQ and Symbian 7. Theirs.... just symbian 6 :angel:

[quote="Raven"][quote="steed"]so there was me whit my p800 😃 [] and there is my friand whit his nokia 3650 😃 [].....
so i say 😃[] hi and then he say 😃 hi[] then i say 😃 []what so funny ?
so then he say 😃[] well u dont have a Video capture 😃
so i say .... :evil: then :-? then 😞 😞 😞
the end 😞[/quote]

...How about replying: Haha, you can't play MP3's in STEREO, haha my screen is TWICE the size of yours and it's touch sensitive as well, haha.. bla bla bla..

If you care that much about recording a very small, really bad quality video clip, then go ahead and exchange your P800 for a N3650. But if you care about any real PDA use, then keep your P800 and ignore your mate showing off his "kiddie-toy". :P[/quote]

when u compare the actual picture quality between a 3650 and a p800 u will realise video recording on the p800 is nothing to look forward to, happened to me at the weekend at i have to say it was embarassing the difference in quality, everything else the p800 can do was ignored after seeing the poor quality pics

Lol Edgedale,that is the worst PR talk ever 😊

theefman,I'm a 7650 owner(still 😃)and i agree that the p800's picture quality is not as good as the 3650 or 7650 but if you want good picture quality get yourself a camera.Like Raven said,the p800 is one mean mother f***er(Well,hi did not say that,exactly 😃).It can do a lot more then Series 60 devices(Ignore Edgedale's cooments 😃).I guess the picture quality could be improved if third party app like photographer is ported to UIQ.

GrammatonCleric, i wasnt saying I want video recording, wasnt one of my reasons for buying it, steed's post was about the 3650 being able to record video, just trying to point out how pointless it will be cos the 3650 will still beat it when it comes to picture quality even if the p800 is ever able to record video

Well,not exactly true.IMHO,the bad picture quality on the p800 is mainly due to bad software.The 7650 and the 3650 have identical cameras but the 3650 has slightly better picture quality but the 7650 has better video capture quality.Although the position of the lense could have a great effect on the quality,a lot could be achieved with good software.So we'll just have to wait until someone release's an app that will enable video recording on the p800.

[quote="theefman"]GrammatonCleric, i wasnt saying I want video recording, wasnt one of my reasons for buying it, steed's post was about the 3650 being able to record video, just trying to point out how pointless it will be cos the 3650 will still beat it when it comes to picture quality even if the p800 is ever able to record video[/quote]

ok this is what i am trying to say all we need is video recorder app so we can shut up all the nokia (toys phone users) there is no way in HELL i will give up my p800 i love it i adore it i need it ok ...well ... if i can get the p810 i will be more happy BUT for now i am whit p800 i am fine ure just need that tini mini app for video capture so from :cry: :cry: :cry: i will be :roll: 😉 😃 😃 that is it ...and just to add i will not go for the nokia 6600 or any nokia ...dont get me wrong nokia is a nice nice phone
but if u need a phone go for nokia !! if u need somthing more then SONY ERICSSON is ur anser and p800 will be ur dream
8)

this guys hilarious with the icons, lol

[quote="theefman"]when u compare the actual picture quality between a 3650 and a p800 u will realise video recording on the p800 is nothing to look forward to, happened to me at the weekend at i have to say it was embarassing the difference in quality, everything else the p800 can do was ignored after seeing the poor quality pics[/quote]
i have both 3650 & p800. both takes good pictures. ONLY the P800 views it at 4K colors. transfer it to your pc and view it on the monitor and it has the same [some pix-depending on the settings] are more crisp on the p800 compared on th e3650

what you do is adjust the p800 cam settings to add a little more contrast and brightnest and have the backlight and whitebalnce on auto mode. and use maximum picture quality.

the only disadvantage of the p800 over the 3650 is the thumbnail size pix taking.

MDR here not guest on that 3650/p800 post

The 3650 has 4K colour screen also,so the 3650 the "view's" the images in 4k.

The p800 will be near 3650's picture quality only in one case:if the pictures are taken in extremely good lighting conditions then the difference wont be so visable.

i would be quite happy with the p799, the version without the camera.

marckranat i have never heard of this phone :-?

[quote="ceanth"]

i would be quite happy with the p799, the version without the camera.

marckranat i have never heard of this phone :-?[/quote]

😮ops: sorry, made it up

[quote="GrammatonCleric"]The 3650 has 4K colour screen also,so the 3650 the "view's" the images in 4k.

The p800 will be near 3650's picture quality only in one case:if the pictures are taken in extremely good lighting conditions then the difference wont be so visable.[/quote]

i like to fiddle with the contrast, brightness, backlight and stuff on the p800, it really does affect the outcome of the pic

Just a quick comment or two, guys. You say the P800 is better because its got UIQ. OK, whats the actual advantage there then, just means I have had to wait AGES for about a hundredth of the software I have had on my 7650/3650. Dont get me wrong I have a P800 but only because SE gave it to me, dont think I could have justified buying one. Even gave the SE guys a hard time as to why features available on 7650, launched a year previous to P800, are not available, namely video recording. Why release the phone without this and then market it as 'the most powerful phone available'. Ok, 12Mb memory is nice but UI is terrible in comparison to series60. Yes, the screen is huge, but touchscreen on a phone is a joke in most situations to be honest - one-handed texting whilst walking, anyone? Sorry to rant but it seems to be the general tone in these 'my phone is better than yours' debates. Would welcome some comments as to why P800, at twice the price of 3650, is the better phone. Personal java, WOW, what does that do for me. Still about a million less apps for P800 than 7650/3650.

When I last looked at my-symbian, there were several hundred software apps for P800, the list grows at about 100 or so a month. I wonder how many you actually need though?

I got a P800 simply so that I wouldn't have to carry a phone and a PDA around all the time, maintain two sets of telephone numbers and carry two chargers when I travel. P800 isn't as pretty as an 8890 + 505mx combination, and I agree, far less mature in terms of software (it crashes, for a start), but it is more convenient for me and still provides me with a servicable calender, document management and useable contact list.
It adds an email that actually lets you see more than a couple of lines, and Opera is not bad as a browser. Works on a nuclear icebreaker in the Barents Sea which is more than my Nokia used to. Worked last weekend in a square in Latvia to relay Euro referendum results to the Prime Minister there too -- their display TV wasn't working properly.

For all these apps, a stylus and decent sized touchscreen is a must.

Apart from the odd thing like "Handy Safe" and "Handy Day", there is not much more that I actually need; but then, I don't play games and have a decent notebook for real computing on.

It is worth remembering that the P800 is a "first of breed" device; not unlike the old Palm I and Palm II plastic boxes which appealed largely to geeks (I had them!). After a little period of settling down, the current range of PDAs is used universally from techies through to grannies or even actors!

The P800 effectively integrates the PDA with the phone, which previous devices have failed to do; the XDA was two distinct devices in one box. The Nokia devices are phones with a game engine and some diary functions tacked on, sure loads of "apps", but accessed through a phone interface rather than a PDA one
(I don't regard cursoring around a screen as useful -- which is why the Treo didn't quite make the mark).

The much heralded P900 moves on towards increased stability, much better looks and a more mature interface. When it is as far down the product maturity road as the latest cellphones are now, then I think it will appeal to you much more.

The downside is that at the moment it is immature and unstable; mine crashes all the time, and the software on my Palm was far more elegant, but if enough people buy it, then market pressure will improve the product (I hope, anyway) in the same way it did with the Palm devices.

Hope that answers your question to some extent 😊

Originally posted by PROF1969
Just a quick comment or two, guys. You say the P800 is better because its got UIQ. OK, whats the actual advantage there then,

The advantage is that it's (to most people) more intuitive. It works in a very similar way to a PC with a (granted - one button) mouse.

just means I have had to wait AGES for about a hundredth of the software I have had on my 7650/3650.

Besides, although there are people out there with lists of "Must Have" software that isn't available for the P800 yet, it's all leisureware. Not, in my view, "Must have" software for a business orientated device. I use around five apps which extend the P800's functionality to do all I require of it. Others will differ. But as time goes on, more and more will become available filling in most people's preceived gaps.

Dont get me wrong I have a P800 but only because SE gave it to me, dont think I could have justified buying one. Even gave the SE guys a hard time as to why features available on 7650, launched a year previous to P800, are not available, namely video recording. Why release the phone without this and then market it as 'the most powerful phone available'.

Now this, to me, suggests that the P800 just isn't the right phone for you, as is the case for many people. The P800 is a PDA\Phone combo. The 3650\7650 a Phone\PDA. It might seems like a small thing but the difference is huge!

The P800 is for people who need a full PDA and are prepared to pay a premium (and put up with one or two feature cutbacks) to have an integrated phone. As I mentioned above and have many times before, it's a business phone. Sure it has a camera, MP3 player, video player etc. These things catch people's eye's in ads. They sell phones. But they are NOT killer apps.

Series 60 devices are top line phones with a VERY basic PDA built in. They are fun devices that also double as a basic organiser.

Different strokes for different folks.

Ok, 12Mb memory is nice but UI is terrible in comparison to series60. Yes, the screen is huge, but touchscreen on a phone is a joke in most situations to be honest - one-handed texting whilst walking, anyone?

Believe me, to a PDA user, the idea of having PDA functionality in a device without a touch screen is just as incomprehensible. I just cannot use a 7650. It's a fantastic phone, some great games, nice apps, LOVE the camcorder, but how people don't die from frustration trying to enter appointments, edit notes, write e-mails etc. is beyond me.
(And if you're one of those people that keeps walking into me on the way home from work 'cause you're too busy sending a text and not looking where you're going....😊

Ahhh, to be sure, it'd be a dull world indeed if we all thought and worked the same way.

Viva La Difference!

Well said, JulesG, but this statement:

Originally posted by JulesG
The downside is that at the moment it is immature and unstable; mine crashes all the time

...makes me think that you have some corrupt files in your system, and you need to do a format, because mine is very stable and crashes like once in a blue moon. 😊

Originally posted by Raven
Well said, JulesG, but your statement...[about P800 crashing, etc]...makes me think that you have some corrupt files in your system, and you need to do a format, because mine is very stable and crashes like once in a blue moon. 😊

I'm glad you said that Raven coz I was thinking the same. My phone is like ultra-stable-city ever since I updated my firmware (R2F). I can't remember the last time it crashed. Really.

Hmmm. Why do I think I'm tempting providence just by saying that? 😞

Raven, rb14 thanks for the advice;
I suspect I should upgrade, cos the crash is in one specific place and due to messaging, but I'm just too lazy to go to Oxford St.
To be fair to the phone, that is generally the only place it normally crashes.

Maybe when I get a P900, I'll send the P800 for upgrade and a new screen. Then when the P900 goes wrong, I will have a back-up device! 😃

thanks for the comments guys. As I say I dont want to spark any kind of a war, these are just my personal feelings and comments. I do think the larger screen is a plus but find things like full screen video slightly lack lustre (as in a tiny image stretched to the huge screen just blurs REALLY badly). Do the modified start-ups use a small format video and stretch it? Or are these videos actually created at 'full screen' size. If at full screen has anyone figured out how to access the player used (if something other than the 'standard' player. Another query is why have SE been so reluctant to release their API's - they suggest they want 3rd party developers creating software but seem to be making the process as difficult as possible, whereas Nokia, to my understanding, released ALL relevant API's at pretty much the same time as the phone. Maybe I am just being pedantic here but I think SE could have been a lot more open and helpful with this. I do appreciate the time differential between the release of the 7650 and the P800 but feel that there was more software (good/bad or otherwise) within a relatively small amount of time for the 7650 than there has been for the P800. I appreciate the PDA/PHONE rather than PHONE/PDA comment but surely not all P800 users are beardy-weirdys in power suits using it in place of a PC. If so I dont hold out much hope for the P810/P900 if this is to be aimed at the same target audience. Again, no offence to users of either the P800 or 7650/3650 and any comments would be greatly appreciated.

The startup videos are stretched, so to look good have to be made to the right ratio. You can use ay video by the looks of it, just place it in a /sysdata folder in c: and it makes it fullscreen. Im not totally sure what you mean about accessing the player, but it might be different to the normal one as the fullscreen is in portrait and not landscape.
And im not a beardy-weirdy power suit user! A student who like the power for games, entertainment and work! Really usefull, and having access to Monkey Island is brill!

First sorry fo my english(in form poland) you can make a bet throw each other phone(you throw him your P800 and hi throws his 3650) and that who could get back on feet will stand up and take the phones :] in that way you could have the video on 3650 and your PDA P800 lol