Nokia to unwrap the new communicator!!!!

True Tahir!

God if nokia had a feedback online customer support,
email or some kind of forum, man I would give them
a sense of humour in most of their products.

Anyway the new communicator is coming out, looks
good so should stay calm. Once we've bought it we
have all the time in the world to mention how shitty
it is and what are the drawbacks and features in it
which nokia didn't include, and we can then cuss
on nokia all we want then!

�awyeah�

iam not buying it iwill wait for the 9500 i or a new sony ericsson like p900 i or something

awyeah,the p900 does not have a dual MMC slot,it has a memory stick duo slot,which is worse.

LAuRA,some Series 80 1.x application will work ritght out of the box,but because there are some changes(new APIs,old APIs removed)most of them will need small modifications to work on the new version of the platform Series 80 2.x and on the 9500.I'm not really informed about the "rocker" key myself.I guess we will now more in a couple of days,when the desighers come back from Cannes.

Darn,Q4 seem too far away.

Memory stick duo slot??

Come on, then you can fit 2 memory sticks
in it, aint it?

That's better you can put 2 cards and increase
memory alot, rather than one card
How come that is worse??

-awyeah-

Duo in this case is the name associated with this brand and model of Memory stick made by Sony not referring to the number of slots on the P900

Exactly.Plus the p800/p900 is limited to max of 128MB of capacity in the MS DUO Format.

i hope it will not only support mmc but also SD so that we can put in 512MB + mem cards!!!😃

that its for the 9500..

I have been told it is just MMC. But there are mmc-cards with more capacity coming. And maybe speedier, if the 9500 will/would support the new mmc specification

512 MB MMC's have been on the market for a while so they will work with the 9500.1GB MMC's were announced couple of months ago so they will probably be on the market when the 9500 is officially released.

was just wondering how come the 9500 does not come with a FM/AM radio, w/c is one of the most basic feature of all new smaller nokia phone, besides it will make use of the loudspeaker!!! HOPE THEY CAN STILL INCLUDE IT BEFORE LAUNCHING IT.

I very much doubt it'll have a radio, in a business class device I don't think a radio features highly in the list of odds and sods to cram into it.

The 9500 would support a greater amount of size in MMC's.
512MB+ higher would be supported. But even 512mb for such a PDA device is more than enough, I can't seem to fill my 128MB.
If you fill it with mp3's & pictures well yes then maybe, but not with software I guess!

As for the radio, I don't consider the am/fm radio as high proirity in the 9500 commy, things which I listed in my previous thread almost 90% are included in the new commy.

Radio is not that important, the 9000 series is just for business class people and executives, who just want to use it as a status symbol.

-awyeah-

awyeah give me a 1gb mmc ill fill it up in a wink

Originally posted by awyeah
... But even 512mb for such a PDA device is more than enough, I can't seem to fill my 128MB.
If you fill it with mp3's & pictures well yes then maybe, but not with software I guess!

...

Radio is not that important, the 9000 series is just for business class people and executives, who just want to use it as a status symbol.

-awyeah-

Even 'business class people' 😃 enjoy music occasionally. I have my 128 MMC filled with wav's at the moment, so filling up a 512 MMC with mp3's would be really easy. IF there was a FM radio included, I might consider uploading less mp3's and relying more on the streaming audio. For me these two would be alternative ways to pass the time in buses and trains.

LAuRA:

I know people would like to listen to music as well such as wav and mp3's and as softwares even if you install 99% of them on the web including games I guess they wont require more than 256mb at the most.

For music lovers no one likes small disk space sizes as they have big collections and want all of them to be on their portable player or cellphone or smartphone.

I would suggest that okay, but people should buy a portable mp3 player or a discman, or a creative jukebox like I have you can attach headphones to it even. Now adays there the size of a usb zip drive and even smaller. They can acheive greater quality of music.

If the new commy has support to plugging headphones rather than handsfree. Handsfree fit almost inside your ear you get a headache after a while you listen to music with that.

If nokia puts a port for plugging headphones like normal jacks as in any portable player or even one in the back of your PC, people would prefer to listen to music as well from the commy.

In the meantime the if you try the speaker phone it isn't very loud and degrades quality of wav and mp3, 128kb songs play at 64kb quality bitrate, so put 64kb songs and listen to them and dont put 128kb/s bit rate songs because you are wasting you diskspace and not acheiving the quality you require as well.

Then again for streaming, if you stream the web would cost you money and on WAP. Likewise if you have a direct am/fm radio with tuner you wouldn't have todo that. But seriously who now adays listens to the radio?? Isn't it old fashioned?!! The quality sucks and is poor as well.

-awyeah-

The whole point of the commy is to have all these separate devices in one. I agree that having a portable mp3 player would result in better quality etc but I can't be bothered to carry several devices around. And if I get a phone call while listering to music with my 9210, I can answer with just a push of one button instead of pausing the music myself and then having to search for the mobile in my bag. And there's no risk of missing a call because of the music.

The current handsfree headset is irritating, agreed, but I haven't suffered from headaches 😃 Maybe there will be a better one using bluetooth.

Streaming audio over GPRS is expensive I guess and that's why the FM radio might be useful. Sure the stations don't play my favourites all the time, but even radio would help to shut out the surrounding noise while commuting. 😊

Originally posted by LAuRA
The whole point of the commy is to have all these separate devices in one. I agree that having a portable mp3 player would result in better quality etc but I can't be bothered to carry several devices around. And if I get a phone call while listering to music with my 9210, I can answer with just a push of one button instead of pausing the music myself and then having to search for the mobile in my bag. And there's no risk of missing a call because of the music.

The current handsfree headset is irritating, agreed, but I haven't suffered from headaches 😃 Maybe there will be a better one using bluetooth.

Streaming audio over GPRS is expensive I guess and that's why the FM radio might be useful. Sure the stations don't play my favourites all the time, but even radio would help to shut out the surrounding noise while commuting. 😊

LAuRa is damn good, hmmm.
As they say never argue with a woman, but I nonetheless. 😊

I know the communicator is a 1 in all PDA, cell, video player, recorder, digital camera and etc wireless communication device.

I know carrying 2 devices is a hassle for everyone. Especially for woman as you are one yourself Miss you might probobaly have a handbag as woman normally do so carring your 9210i is easy for you.

But for us (MEN) we dont have those much big pockets, mainy in casual wear pants, but jeans terribly not. We have to either wear a pouch attached, or a bumbag or attach the nokia inside leather case onto our belts or something like that. All the GUYS out there do you agree?!??!@

As for the music thingy, I always prefer music with quality. At first I didn't even listen to mp3's only audio CD's as I considered mp3's not good in quality as well. Audio CDS have a far more greater quality than mp3's. But then when mp3's started growing alot of popular I then started using them even now in 256kb/s or 320kb/s so there good to listen to bit rates.

A person should have quality. If you have quantity and no quality there is no use to listen to the music you have. 😊 Thats why radio quality is the lowest I guess 22kb/s or 11kb/s bit rate if im sure.

This is a digital age and so we should prefer atleast anything above 22kb/s when it comes to audio? Don't you think guys??!

Then we if critcize futher, I am alot into digital imaging. I currently bought a Sony DSC F717 5MP Digital Camera. I like photograhing alot.

Then why doesnt nokia remove those 1.3 digital camera's from there phone and upgrade to 2 or 3 megapixels at least for those digital photographic people.

�awyeah�

awyeah,i preffer the all in one bit then carrying two or more devices.

If the new commy has support to plugging headphones rather than handsfree. Handsfree fit almost inside your ear you get a headache after a while you listen to music with that.

There is a cheap adapter cable you can buy and plug any kind of headphones,i think.

In the meantime the if you try the speaker phone it isn't very loud and degrades quality of wav and mp3, 128kb songs play at 64kb quality bitrate, so put 64kb songs and listen to them and dont put 128kb/s bit rate songs because you are wasting you diskspace and not acheiving the quality you require as well.

Why would anyone play audio on the speakerphone except maybe for ringtones and maybe some sort of media presentations.

Then again for streaming, if you stream the web would cost you money and on WAP. Likewise if you have a direct am/fm radio with tuner you wouldn't have todo that. But seriously who now adays listens to the radio?? Isn't it old fashioned?!! The quality sucks and is poor as well.

For streaming,you will probably need a GPRS Internet access point,not wap.I listen to radio on the N-Gage every chance i get,the quality is great.

But for us (MEN) we dont have those much big pockets, mainy in casual wear pants, but jeans terribly not. We have to either wear a pouch attached, or a bumbag or attach the nokia inside leather case onto our belts or something like that. All the GUYS out there do you agree?!??!@

I don't agree 😉 The size of the Commi is not a problem for me.

As for the music thingy, I always prefer music with quality. At first I didn't even listen to mp3's only audio CD's as I considered mp3's not good in quality as well. Audio CDS have a far more greater quality than mp3's. But then when mp3's started growing alot of popular I then started using them even now in 256kb/s or 320kb/s so there good to listen to bit rates.

Mp3's with bitrate above 192Kbit/s don't make sense since its the quality of Audio CD.

A person should have quality. If you have quantity and no quality there is no use to listen to the music you have. Thats why radio quality is the lowest I guess 22kb/s or 11kb/s bit rate if im sure.

This is a digital age and so we should prefer atleast anything above 22kb/s when it comes to audio? Don't you think guys??!

I think you are confusing bitrate with frequency.22 kbit/s mp3 sounds awful.I don't have the tools to find out the bitrate of .aac files right now(the N-Gage radio application records in .aac format) but i'm pretty sure its a lot more the 22kbit/s.

Then why doesnt nokia remove those 1.3 digital camera's from there phone and upgrade to 2 or 3 megapixels at least for those digital photographic people.

Nokia Smartphones and most if not all Symbian devices have 0.3 megapixel cameras not 1.3 megapixel.If you are a lot in to digital imaging like you said you should know that the most important factor for image quality is not the megapixels but the lense.Even if you do encrease the megapixel on these cheap cameras with plastic lenses in today smartphones you will only get larger files with bad quality as opposed to small files with bad quality.

Since its been said that 9200 softwares are incompatible with the new 9500. If this is the case, can we assume that 9200 files or documents is likewise incompatible, hence it would need to be converted for it to be read in the new 9500??😕

Likewise how true that the 512mb mmc can work with the new 9500? Isnt it true the nokia tries to limit the use of other brand of MMC to accomodate their own brand, w/c from what i have gathered have only a maximum of 128mb (NOKIA)? If this is possible i hope there are ways to have the security options activated (PASSWORD) or available on the other MMC brand. 😊

Hello All,

I would like to add to the media aspect of the 9500. It's good to find that Nokia has included a mp3 support. However, I don't get the logic as to why Nokia is pushing the Port-pop interface on all it's phones. (7700, 9500)
The reason why I'm saying is that- some while ago I used to have a 6610 (I think the first phone to have port-pop interface). When I used the handsfree to listen to the radio (the phone in my shirt pocket), the sound stopped, then sometimes sound on one speaker and so on. The port-pop connector was on the face of the phone and with a slight movement/ jerk, the connector pins of the handsfree would loose contact. Also many will know that the handsfree end of the connector is a HUGE thing.

@Ghostdog- This won't help even when you are using the port-pop to headphone convertor.

However this experience is somewhat eliminated when one uses 3300 (series 40 mp3 phone) where the port-pop housing is 3-4 mm inside the plastic housing.

With N-gage- Remarkable & trouble free because of pin type connectors.

With Siemens-SX1 - good with Slim lumberg connector ie. pretty stable.

With SE P800/ P900- pin type connectors - no problemo.

Moreover what is the type of handfree you get- the series 40 port-pop handsfree sucks!

Originally posted by matrixxx
Since its been said that 9200 softwares are incompatible with the new 9500. If this is the case, can we assume that 9200 files or documents is likewise incompatible, hence it would need to be converted for it to be read in the new 9500??😕

Likewise how true that the 512mb mmc can work with the new 9500? Isnt it true the nokia tries to limit the use of other brand of MMC to accomodate their own brand, w/c from what i have gathered have only a maximum of 128mb (NOKIA)? If this is possible i hope there are ways to have the security options activated (PASSWORD) or available on the other MMC brand. 😊

What sort of files and documents are you talking about?The 9500 is still a prototype,most likely,the design(hardware and software) will change in the final release so Series 80 1.x(9200) application could be compatible.

99% true that 512 MB MMC's will work with the 9500 because 512 MB MMC's already work with other Nokia devices(Every Series 60 device).Even the 9200 Series has been recently updated to support MMC's with higher capacities then 128 MB.

Originally posted by GhostDog
What sort of files and documents are you talking about?The 9500 is still a prototype,most likely,the design(hardware and software) will change in the final release so Series 80 1.x(9200) application could be compatible.

99% true that 512 MB MMC's will work with the 9500 because 512 MB MMC's already work with other Nokia devices(Every Series 60 device).Even the 9200 Series has been recently updated to support MMC's with higher capacities then 128 MB.

my definition of files & document are WORD, EXELL, CONTACTS, ETC..., i hope all of this files from 9200 is compatible to the 9500,hopefully no more conversions. Re the software compatibility, UPONALLE stated in his post "...According to Nokia people at the booth, the existing software for the 9210(i) is not working in the 9500" HOPE THIS ISNT TRUE😊

Its nice to hear that 256mb or higher have started working with the 9200, since im presently using a 9210i. If this is the case what brand of MMC should i be looking for, or is it the latest operating system (OS) that makes it work, would appreciate your input here ghost dog, since its getting so frustrating using the old 128mb 😞

Well I got my 9210i fixed now.
I don't know before I was going to buy it I was very excited
now I don't care none the less even I didn't install the tonnes
of softwares I downloaded.

Now as I was going to discuess the 9500 is yes a prototype and still in testing and verification.

If you saw the big clear pictures of the 9500 of the phone from the outside. Did you notice that the outsite color screen display isn't cenetered if you take a closer look.

Meaning the screen is not cenetered with respect to the symmtery of the phone from the middle. The screen isn't big from the right hand side. And there is quite alot of space from the right hand corner of the screen to the right hand edge of the phone, which is not the case with the left side.

I don't know if you understand or not but I can't put this is a more clearer way. The screen is totally square and it is not increased in length on the right hand side, you can see that by the color display of the two hands on the phone. It is difficult to see because in the picute that area is black in color as well.

These are very minute things to notice, yet can cause aggrievement 😃

-awyeah-

Hmmm, this is an interesting topic 😃

I believe there is a visual illusion involved. I may be wrong, but I suspect the screen on the phone side IS in the middle but it just seems to be off-centered because of the colours. On the left the colour changes, there is the black and then it changes into the silver. On the right the black colour continues until the very edge of the device. If you measure the black area on the right and the black+silver areas on the left, they may be equal. I don't know, because it's hard to be sure looking from the photos alone, but this might be an explanation.

The screen seems to be centered in reference to the keys below, not in reference to the black coloured background. Looking at it now it does seem a little strange. But it also might look strange if the screen extended beyond the keys on the right hand side but not on the left.

I suspect Nokia has had people studying this, judging the appearance in different versions, so it may be a conscious decision.

Or maybe they just screwed up 😃

matrixxx,i've never tried it my self but here's more info:

Yes, send an email to "info <at> BBCONS (Punkt) de".

Please proof that your OS-Version is at least "V 06.00". Older version have problems. (*#0000# gives your version).

This item is not in our stock ! Delivery last about 3 weeks. Further it is not a "Nokia" labeled MMC.

eXpansys 256MB Multimedia Card -
Large capacity MMC card, compatible with many PDAs including the Nokia 9210.

Our own eXpansys brand memory cards come with a 2 year warranty against any defect in parts or manufacture and a 14 day no quibble compatibility guarantee, if it doesn't work in your device just send it back within 14 days for a full refund.

So it wouldn't hurt to try.

awyeah,Laura is right.Its a visual illusion but the screen is exactly in the middle,trust me 😉 If I'm lucky,this Monday I might be able to have a closer encounter with the new Commi.

Hi,

I was mentioning to this.
Please view the pic attached.

The circled area on the right hand side seems smaller than the area on the left hand side...

Moreover the screen is not fully square either making it more smaller. The length is bigger than the height/width.

Also notice the black rectangular shaped outlining embosed around the screen. The black emobsed lining on the outer part of the screen which is in the shape of a rectangle, has lines go to it's very edge on the right hand side of the device in the picture, while this does not apply for the left hand side.

Either the engraved black lines should contain the whole screen on the right side too. If they hade made a design like this why have they intended to leave that area of black space free?? A new design?? maybe?!!

Maybe because it is a prototype thats why they have it so.
Maybe the released version wont have that I guess.

�awyeah�

Also I wanted to mention that I read a post stating somebody was not impressed that the OS in the 9500 is named after the 80 Series as its predecessors and was not upgraded to the 90 series.

While this is a likely case, symbian uses 80 series model of OS for big large lenghty screens such as that of the 9210, which are rectangular in shape. They have a different screen resolution which is most likely the case. Also the 80 series aren't supposed to be touchscreens.

However the 90series is in the new 7700 phone. It is a touchscreen therefore has more features of OS as well so it is named the 90 series, which is more advanced. The shape of the screen in that phone is also unique.

I might not be able to give you more comparisons between both at the moment but you can check symbian's site out and see the comparions as well.

The series of OS doesn't matter in a phone, unless it is upgraded time to time as 9210i the last model had v6.0 now it would be upgraded to a more bugfree XP style v7.0 or v.80 kind of layout in the new commy.

�awyeah�

awyeah,don't get offended but i think that your two last posts were big load of bollocks 😮

The extrnal screen is 128x128 which means its square.

The OS on the 9500 is not named after the 80 Series.The OS on the 9500 is Symbian 7.0s.The UI is an updated version of the old Series 80 UI and its now called Series 80 2.0.

While this is a likely case, symbian uses 80 series model of OS for big large lenghty screens such as that of the 9210, which are rectangular in shape. They have a different screen resolution which is most likely the case.

I don't understand what are you trying to say here?

However the 90series is in the new 7700 phone. It is a touchscreen therefore has more features of OS as well so it is named the 90 series, which is more advanced. The shape of the screen in that phone is also unique.

Once more,the OS no both the 9500 and the 7700 is Symbian 7.0s,the devices run different UI's on the same OS.Series 90 more advanced?Maybe,i'll just say different.I don't think the shape of the phone has any relevance here.

The series of OS doesn't matter in a phone, unless it is upgraded time to time as 9210i the last model had v6.0 now it would be upgraded to a more bugfree XP style v7.0 or v.80 kind of layout in the new commy.

That is so incorrect!The new firmware for the 9210i is version 6.0.The UI and the OS are still not changed.The OS is still Symbian 6.0 and the UI is Series 80.

awyeh,please read up on the subject before posting loads of useless info.We have a big number of forum readers and some of them might get missinformed by reading your posts.

Originally posted by GhostDog
The extrnal screen is 128x128 which means its square.

Keep it in my hands (one proto)
External screen is centered, so stop speculations.