donpedro
[D]J said on your forum
1. Hi, I bought the Opera Browser for my 3650 and also for my girlfriend's 7650 phone.
On both phones where I installed it (I mean both phones EMPTY, just formatted and so with zero applications installed) Opera simply gives a *VERY* frustrating browsing experience. I had to uninstall it because I got so nervous with it. The annooying "Memory Full" error in fact happens all the times and doesn't really matter if you close down all the running applications because, even if the Browser "seems" to work at first, after a few minutes of browsing and page changing you get the infamous "Memory Full" message again.
2. Ok, you developers say that it's not Opera fault but phone limited memory but other Series60 browsers like NetFront (which I bought too) are almost as complete as Opera (have JavaScript support too), even bigger in size than Oper but gives ZERO memory problems! I'm sorry to say that I wasted my money and if there was a possibility I'd like to be refunded because the Browser as it is is really unusable. I wonder how you can even think to sell a program which simply doesn't work.
3. I have reinstalled Doris Browser and put Opera to shame...
donpedro replies
4. Why does Opera use so much of it?
Opera is a full Web-browser. The browser for Series 60 has the same engine as Opera 6 for Windows. Over 4 million people used this for their daily browsing. From a Windows perspective it is a tiny program, but for a mobile phone it is still quite big.
When Opera is installed on internal disk or MMC it first has to be loaded in RAM (unlike apps in ROM which execute in place). Opera is roughly 1.5MB (only 870KB on disk, but that is because of in-built compression). This means that if you have 2.5MB RAM available, only 1MB is actually available for displaying web-pages. A smaller browser application (e.g. Doris) will have more RAM available for browsing.
5. Why did Opera release a useless product?
We didn't. These problems came as a complete surprise to us. We have more than fifteen 7650/3650 in the office and do not have major problems on any of them. On big sites (e.g www.vg.no, 500KB, 114 images...) we get the same problems, but not on most normal web sites.
6. Why do some people have problems and others not?
We don't know. Our phones work fine. A lot of people have no problems at all. Others can barely launch the browser.
We know that some third-party memory resident applications can trigger problems, but there are also reports from people with brand new phones. We have so far not been able to narrow it down to firmware or other phone characteristics.
All we can say at the moment is please try on your own phone. A lot of people out there are very happy with the browser.
7. What are we going to do about it?
We have put a lot of effort into reducing the executable size of Opera (and thereby freeing more RAM for displaying pages). Please understand that this is not a trivial task. We will release a new version in the first half of Q4 which we hope will alleviate the memory problems for most people. It will also have a number of other improvements. It will be a free upgrade.
8. What can you do about it?
Reboot your phone (will defragment memory and kill idle processes). Turn off JavaScript. Turn off images.
Wait for the new version of Opera.
Future S60 phones should have more RAM and Opera will then run without problems on these. (There is no significant difference between the 7650 and 3650. If anything, the 7650 is slightly better.)
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And now my view of points and reply to all the numbers,
1. With that happening can confirmed Opera 1st release was a badly programmed software no matter how good the features is.
2. Wrong answer OPERA DEVELOPER!
How can any of you said that is was the phone memory problem, huh?
Your team developed a software that was meant for that phone which has been release on the market for so several month, you odd to be taking all the things that can be happening into consideration before releasing it. Further more your team using it to developed and test your software?
So common guys lets WAKE-UP OK?
3. Agreed!
4. Even you have 40millions people behind OPERA for Windows, it is still a completely crab software when come under Nokia Symbian Series 60 phones.
Both 7650 and the later 3650/N-Gage having 3.5MB useable RAM memory when completely new.
Let's make a quick and simple calculation :
a. After copy in numbers of Contacts (say 200 with 3 no 1 email in each), used personal color picture as standby screen background image, it take away 200KB. They left 3.3MB RAM.
b. Installed only OPERA, take away another 870KB. They left 2.4MB RAM (round it off to 900KB).
c. Run OPERA that take total 1.5MB to run, they left only 900KB RAM space.
Oh my God! Most of the latest information webpages nowaday having lots of big or small pictures, animation, sound and flash that easily take memory space more than 4~600KB and some of them even go up for more than 1MB. So Opera became completely problem and useless for web browsing on the phone after only 1.5 pages or so. THIS IS TOTALLY BAD! THIS IS NOT GOOD GUYS!
5. Full credits to those who posted to ask this great question.
With your answer, it show all of you did not done a good job. Only tested 15 phones within your office only? And tested with problem going into big web sites?
OMG! It totally shown to the world how daring you guy was to still releasing the OPERA software.
6. Can tell you guy straight in the face that it is the OPERA causes all the memory problem not the great 7650/3650 phone.
7. By reducing the size of Opera is not good enough. Why not try making a different version for it to make use of 3650/N-Gage/6600 MMC memory card space and with another smaller lighter version purely for 7650.
8. No! No! No! Wrong anser!
How many time do you guys expecting Opera users to reboot the phone and while browsing the web halfway?
If same thing happen on Windows, Microsoft would never became a Great Giant as they were now.
You guy develop Opera 1st version for "more RAM Future S60 phones" ?
My godness, to what nonsense are all of you talking about?
7650 slightly better?
And the Opera 1st version has just been sentenced to death on a low memory 7650!
So for godsake,! Try all the best to make Opera much much smaller or try makei t to run on Nokia Series 60 phone MMC memory card space will ya? If so then lots of people will appreciate your software and that's including me.
Many thanks in advance!