Bluetooth headset solution with 6600

Hi,

Just my thoughts, but surely this doesn't matter or make any difference to battery performance at all.
At the end of it all you still have a bluetooth connection which is draining power and using resources.

It may differ from headset to headset, but my Nokia HDW-2 comes off line until the user makes a call or the phone receives a call. Or you access the menu, then the headset comes alive and you hear the beeps.
Ultimately the phone's BT connection is always active draining it's battery.

Whether you let the units pair themselves or the user pairs them makes no difference, they will still be turned on and paired ready to work. Unfortunately they will still use power and drain the battery.

Only my opinion, I may be wrong.

Ian

Well, you can not argue with a BT technician..
If anyone knows whats going on it'll be him - and if his solution works then then how can you argue with that? 😊

So JH67, what will be the final solution to stop this messing about each time - will the BT firmware be opdated to take into account the qwerky 6600 or will Nokia change their firmware to make BT work as it should?

Thanks for the advice JH67 - will give it a go

Will

Will >
We use to say : Bluetooth is a standard,...everybody's just using it differently, hehe 😉

When using e.g. a Nokia headset on a Nokia phone, some commands/strings are send to the phone/headset when pairing, thats basically why e.g. Nokia's headset will work "great" with Nokia phones.

The same goes for e.g. SonyEricsson, or any other company.

Each time a new phone arrives, its pretty much up to the headset-companies to figure out "whats weird and new this time" hehe...

No,..we will not, in our case change anything on the headsets we produce, as these work great with 6600,..I use it too 😊
There is no "direct faults" in the connection between 6600 and our headsets,...
and Nokia phones are still superior in connection and range...

We can/do in some degree make alterations to our units,..have done with e.g. P900, S55, and also other users' headsets,..
We only take units in for upgrades, if its really needed,...

IAN >

I think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying,...
I know that Bluetooth drain battery etc,..

I'm not just saying what "could happen",..this is based on what IS happening,...its not a guess...Its a fact, because we can "see" it when hooking up phones 😉

Nokia's own headset can work "perfectly", as I'm also saying above regarding same manufacturers,..
it sends commands we do not know 😉 They "recognize" each other,..same family, hehe...

On any other Nokia phone it would not matter if you connected from phone or headset,..and I'm not talking about the pairing part or the phone battery,..its how the headset battery performance acts.

The 6600 acts differently than any other Nokia phone.......

,..when we hook it up to the pc, we can see how the phone "accepts" the headset...meaning pc read outs/command lines.....
The phone/headset is supposed to go into Sniff-mode,..meaning it only sends signals at an interval,...meaning saving power as it should...

6600 and a headset :

IF you push headsetbutton to connect,..the "pc" reads the string/command : Sniff mode NOT detected/found....
Meaning it will instead keep channel open,..which means battery performance far below normal on headset.
Actually the standby drops to something similar to the talktime !

IF you push phone menu > Connect,...then pc read-out is :
Sniff mode detected !
This is the way it should work 😉 and also does on other phones using Handsfree profile.
This results in the normal/correct standbytimes of the headset.

Former Nokia models used to "drop connection" if not used for a while, and we can see that Nokia tried to improve this, but unfortunately it resulted in this other thing instead.

Luckily it works fine, as long as people do this the right way 😉

BR
Jan

jh67

With the Jabra headsets, when taken off the charger the headset automatically switches on and connects to the phone, and is ready for use. (Battery life is same as talk time)

Are you saying I should at this point go to my BT menu and select my headset then select 'disconnect' then 'connect' and the headset will function as normal?

Sorry to sound dense - just want to be sure

So do you know if Nokia plan to implement 'sniff mode' properly on their upcoming firmwares?

Best

Will

I've recentely returned my Jabra BT-250 headset to the store due to it poor performance with my nokia 6600. Whenever I was using the headset on my right ear and holding the phone with my left hand, I got so many statics noises I was almost unable to hear the voice on the other side. At first I though the fault lays with the specific Nokia model so I've checked with other BT cell phone such Nokia 6210 and Sony Ericsson T68i and the same problem persist.
Does anyone have good experience with a BT headset and the Nokia 6600 phone?

How about Motorola HS-810?

Lior wrote:I've recentely returned my Jabra BT-250 headset to the store due to it poor performance with my nokia 6600. Whenever I was using the headset on my right ear and holding the phone with my left hand, I got so many statics noises I was almost unable to hear the voice on the other side. At first I though the fault lays with the specific Nokia model so I've checked with other BT cell phone such Nokia 6210 and Sony Ericsson T68i and the same problem persist.
Does anyone have good experience with a BT headset and the Nokia 6600 phone?

How about Motorola HS-810?

My BT-250 works perfectly with my 6600. Lovely clarity and connection.... no static noises. Any chance it may be the environment u were in interferes with the BT connection?

JH67,
Thanks for the tips... will try it out!

😊

I've tried it at different places (indoor and outdoor) and with other cell phones (nokia 6310i and sony ericsson T68i).

Same result - Statics!!!

Lior wrote:I've tried it at different places (indoor and outdoor) and with other cell phones (nokia 6310i and sony ericsson T68i).

Same result - Statics!!!

Maybe the headset is defective.

As I understand from other forums, it's a none problem. But maybe I'm wrong.

Using the above method of connection, NK6600 with BT200 will give a standby time of 5 hours. (Thats what I have tried with my setup).

It is in "active" connection from what I have read in other forums. This 5 hours standby is way below the 96 hours of supposed standby.

"quote jh67"
IF you push phone menu > Connect,...then pc read-out is :
Sniff mode detected !
This is the way it should work and also does on other phones using Handsfree profile.
This results in the normal/correct standbytimes of the headset.

I still have not been able to set it to "sniff" mode. Preservation of what standby times? What is defined as normal?

I too have suffered this problem with a BT200 and my 6600. I took the headset back and got a replacement, and it too had the same standby times of about 4-5 hours. I contacted both Nokia and jabra and both blamed each other for the problem. I took the second headset back and got a refund as I drive all day for a living, so need to be able to use the phone for bookings, as I am a Private hire taxi, so need to be in touch with my home all the time. I just went out and got a HDB-5 headset, which was great, but once used to wire free, it is hard to use the wired one again. I have now got the PPH-1 easy fit car kit, and HFM-8 mic fitted to my car, so I can swap between my two vehicles. This I find works great, so far anyway, and when in one of the coaches it is easier to use the HDB-5 so no need for the BT headset anymore. But if this solution does in deed work, then I may be temted to try one again.

jh67,
Just to clarify...

1) If we do what u mentioned (ie. Phone> Connect), how do we know it is correctly in sleep mode?

2) After sniff mode is established, if I turn on the BT headset to receiving calls or voice dial, does that sniff mode remains or is superceded after the call?

Thanks.

coolice wrote:Hi,

Just my thoughts, but surely this doesn't matter or make any difference to battery performance at all.
At the end of it all you still have a bluetooth connection which is draining power and using resources.

It may differ from headset to headset, but my Nokia HDW-2 comes off line until the user makes a call or the phone receives a call. Or you access the menu, then the headset comes alive and you hear the beeps.
Ultimately the phone's BT connection is always active draining it's battery.

Whether you let the units pair themselves or the user pairs them makes no difference, they will still be turned on and paired ready to work. Unfortunately they will still use power and drain the battery.

Only my opinion, I may be wrong.

Ian

Hey,

I've just been brought back to this debate by a PM and read through it all again.

I understand the two types of pairing, one allowing the phone to automatically connect and the other where the user actually tells the phone to actively Search/sniff/discover the BT device. Once found the user then says connect.

What I still do not get and to be honest I have not seen any real proof posted, is how can one way make any difference to the battery life in the phone?

We all know that any connection, especially BT is going to use more battery power as more resources are being consumed. Our phones are smaller, hence batterys are to and do not have the amp hours to sustain power over extended periods.
Combine that with the fact that each time our Lithion Ion batterys are charged we shorten their life span and you just add to the problem.

Reading again what Jan has said, surely this is more of a firmware problem than a pairing problem? The 6600 will always keep the BT channel open and connected to the BT headset, ready for when that call comes in. As has been said "other" phones or headsets allowed the user to say "ok, I need you now wake up and pair with my phone". Now a days their always connected ready.

Which ever way you look at it the battery run time will always be reduced with BT turned on, paired any way you like your still using battery.

Best option to anyone still not sure, try both ways and see what works best for you.

Me, I know that using my BT headset will reduce my battery life so I live with it.
My 6630 use's it's battery even quicker 😞

Ian

Guys

Im really happy to announce you that what Jan Hansen told is really working. I bought a HDW-3 Bluetooth headset for my N6600 a week ago and was suffering from its poor battery performance.

I used to pair it automatically. So when I switch on my headset it connects automatically. And the battery wasn�t stay more then 5 hours.

But After reading this forum yesterday, I paired it using "connect" in the phone's Bluetooth menu. Now its being almost 24 Hours and Im still using my HDW-3 without recharging.

Mr. Hansen thank you very much for ur assistance. :icon14:

Regards:
Elvis. 😊

HEy Coolice

I just saw ur message. Just try what jan hensan said. Connect it using ur phone. do not pair it automatically. (Im using HDW-3). Its really working man.
The problem i had was my BT headset's battery wasnt last atleast 6 hours. But my N6600 Didnt give any problem.

Yesterday i saw this forum and thought of trying it. Now its been almost 24 hours i paird it using phones "CONNECT" option. My HDW3 still working without giving low battery. Even i got couple of long calls too. BUT ITS STILL WORKING............ !

Elvis.

jh67 wrote:Quite a few people have asked regarding Bluetooth headsets and a very poor battery performance, when using 6600.

Its especially the headsets that are being drained from power.

6600 does not work entirely like e.g. 3650.

On previous models one could just push a headset button to "make connection", once headset and phone Bluetooth were turned on.
This does not work on 6600,...if doing this, the phone/headset does not go into, what we call "sniff mode",..
The phone will instead "keep line/chanel open"... meaning it drains battery on headset too,..quite a lot !

SOLUTION :
After turning headset and phone Bluetooth on,..then go into the menu "paired devices",..and use left button under display on phone,...choose "CONNECT" in here.
THEN phone will "see" the headset correctly, meaning it goes into sniff mode, and batterytimes are preserved/works normally 😊

This should work with all Bluetooth headsets and 6600 😊

BR

Jan

Thanks.

Regards:
Elvis.