Deciding between P800 and 7650

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As for functionality - P800 wins, for fun - 7650 wins. You won't be losing much with the 7650, just the touch screen.[/quote]

And the fact that the 7650 is a Smartphone and the P800 is a PDA.

Ignoring the phone bit, the P800 and the 7650 are miles apart.

Like SwichBlade says, I wouldn't call a 7650 a PDA, nor is it promoted in that way by Nokia.

The P800 on the otherhand has the same kind of capabilities as Palms/PocketPCs.

Zuber

Nokia 7650 as imperfect and incomparable to P800 as it might be, is a REAL phone, available today. Perfect or not.

P800 is a hollow ghost, fabrication of child's colourful imagination, a piggyride for the coy masses.

I'm actually very disappointed with SE.

:cry:

Titanium

>I'm actually very disappointed with SE. <

Yup you and everyone else - I don't think many people will be holding their breath for the release of the next flagship phone from SE. Once bitten, twice shy and all that.

I have offered my litle (and light) Sony-Z5 to my wife and got back to carriyng my backup mobile N7110 as a training exercice to the upcoming P800 (to get reaquainted to the feeling of carriyng a +140gr phone)... litle did I imagined that SE would prolongue this exercice of mine for 4 months longer than I anticipated 😞
The N7650 with its lack of memory expansion definetly does not meet my idea of a smartphone and, because I promised to myself that I would not buy any more gadgets without BUILT-IN-Bluetooth (sick of incompatible Flash card formats, expansion sockets, cables, IR-protocols, etc) the O2-GPRS phone is also out as an option.
I will wait for the P800 BUT... ...if, after all the waiting that SE imposes on us the device is released with ANY significant bug than I will reject SE as a brand altogether for many years to come.

Might have been that SE will lose momentum with this delay. All the PDA makers are frantically working on their GSM-able products while GSM makers are trying to add some PDA functions to their phones.

P800 seedem like a perfect link. Maybe it won't be too little but it could definitely be too late. P800 should be in mass production now to get it's market share. Otherwise it will only be one of the many. Pitty. Add to that the psichological effect of announcing delay of delivery of a so much awaited product and it could be as good as dead.

Jimbo

The latest edition of PC Pro magazine (UK) gives it a pretty decent preview - certainly considering how much they praised the N7650 which has now all but been dumped by PC Pro in favour of the P800.

Of course, we all know how good the device is *supposed* to be - proof of the pudding is in the eating though....

Will

I have given up on the p800 and brought a 6310i and a fugitsu loox. I reckon this phone is going to be a whole heap of trouble for SE and anyone who buys it. It quit obviously doesn't work properly and that's why theyve delayed its release.

I'm actually considering a similar solution.

I've got a 6310i and I'm looking at getting a P800 as a single replacement or new Palm OS5 device (with bluetooth). I'll have to see what reaches the market first and then decide.

I don't think it is fair to assume that the P800 will be buggy etc. The ones giving problems were prototypes with beta software. Some people claim to have used later prototypes and found them to be reliable.

So assuming that SonyEricsson are delaying the P800 to make sure they do not have software problems at the start, I think there is a reasonably good chance of the P800 being released in a quite stable form.

Zuber

Yes, I agree (but have my hat at the ready, to be eaten if necessary).

I've been reading PC Pro mag since issue 1, and have always found their reviews very reliable and also cautious in their praise. If the device was badly strewn with bugs, they'd have said - but the pre-release version, they say, is enough evidence that the phone *will* stomp all over the N7650.

I suppose it's just a waiting game...it'd be nice if it came out for Xmas though, wouldn't it?

Will

Yeah it would be nice if we saw a pre-xmas release date, but in the words of a great man:

"A delayed product is only delayed until it is released. A rushed product is rushed forever."

- Shiguru Miyamoto

Basically I'd rather they went for a full out launch in January with a completely stable OS and goodies, than rush it out in the next couple of weeks and it being a complete disappointment.

David.

umm.. actually it's Shigeru Miyamoto

and maybe that quote not valid for SE products "Only for Nintendo"

😃 :roll: 😃

I think p800 will be great when it realese.

But it's a bit of time left... just hope they realese it before christmas, then i defently buying it! but not if after christmas

p800 comes with html viewer with ssl secure.
with p800 U can go to secure web sites, like bank, stock broker,
bet web sites, shops.

with 7650 U can only wach there sites but can�t go in!

😃
I did have a p800 in my hands and tested it for a few minutes. Just got a 7650 cheap from the operator for 10 years loyalty.
There still optimizing, but it's getting there. It is cute and neat.....but as some said, it's just not ehre yet. And I do hope to be able to tab this source for a free one as soon as they stop watching the whereabouts of the testunits........

so long guys

Agreed with you all ..... but come what may .... P800 will be released ... as such its not Nokia .... So it wont get the tremendous acceptance everywhere ... but if P800 is a Nokia Product ... no one will say anything ... just go and buy one .... Not Fair isn't it.

As for me ... and for you all ... if you like something .. stick with it ... don't just follow what other people says.

I had 7650 ... and I'll buy P800 when it comes out .... and I won't compare each other ... though in some ways ... it's redundant.

😉 Peace 😃

I got myself a Nokia 7650, but the SonyEricsson has got a lot more to offer. If I didn't have an iPaq 3870 I would have bought a P800. Saying it's too buggy or the 7650 is better in general is nonesense. The P800 has a better price/performance ratio. And SE is usually more robust than Nokia.

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Why dont we wait until its out and then decide whether or not it has a better or worse price/performance ratio

Becasue we will never find out if SE keeps that pace! :P

It's all about your taste, and what you feel "comfortable" with. A big majoratiy of people stick with nokias because they're easy and simple to use, and cause they have about 30 models in the same year! Other people like the Ericssons, they feel it's more packed with quality and style than nokias.

It's what you think! Buy what you want, don-go around taking peoples' advice and buying something you don't really want to buy. 😊

come on guys there has to be somthing wrong about it
it's too good
but i will buy one IF they release it

IF being the main word!, as each day passes and I read about all these lovely new phones that companys are announcing for next year...The less I want a P800.

IF certainly is the word - the shape SonyEricsson are in (and particularly poor old Ericsson 😞 ) the longer they leave it the less chance there is of a release at all. Who in their right mind will pay 600Euro+ for a phone that may not have full support as the manufacturer ceases to exist. I'm sure Sony would still support it, but their support has never been great.

I wouldn't wait another minute, buy the 7650 and they IF the P800 ever does arrive, wait until the fuss dies down and get one for a reasonable price.

J2theIZZO is perfectly right. So many manufacturers, so new technologies, and so many "coming soon" models, will the P800 really be the desired phone when it is ***finally*** released? something to wonder about. (but not too much, you catch a headache that way 😉)

*** IF (im sorry) IF it is released (im losing faith in sony ericsson 😞)

I think one of the main problems might be that the innards of this phone are becoming "old". Old in the sense that the design/components have existed for long, and so far only on paper. The components and the internal design may have become relatively expensive (cheaper ways - maybe used by competition - may have emerged after its design) and, therefore, the margin SonyE will get for it may be quite low. Originally, i think the P800 was to be released in the 1000� price class (as Nokia Communicator, the predecessor of all this kind of appliances). After all this delay, with new competing models entering, it might not possible to price it as high as originally intended. Lower price and relatively higher cost = difficulties. Lost markets due to delay = further difficulties. Constantly running capital costs, e.g. interest on very high RD process costs & testing & correcting for a very extended period without a single sold P800 unit = even further problems. 😞

But, i sure hope that the P800 won't be scrapped as one previous SonyE model was (can't remember the codename of that one anymore).
It must also be a matter of prestige to SonyE to be able to bring it to the market, however late it may be.

the model that has been cancelled was the z700 a sony z7 lookalike, the game mobile, have a look at www.threegmobile.net

Ah yes, thanks!

This question is like saying

"do you want a phone that lets you speak to other people that runs on coal or a phone lets you travel through time but wont be available until spring 5007, sorry hold that its been delayed until winter of the same year, maybe"