hi,great forum you guys have here,i wanted to know how many mbs would each game be approximately,so i could fit them on my mmc,instead of putting each game card again and again.
ngage game size
About 12mb, going from 5mb to 22mb.
but the only way of doing what you said is using illegal downloads/procedures, which will ofcourse not be discussed here.
but if u buy the original copies of the games and if u can find a way to copy these games to a new mmc properly, nad make them work by your own effort, it won't be illegal. cause in some countries it is now illegal that to make 1 or 2 copies of your own original items for non-comerical and personal use only. this is not illefgal because people don't want their original items damaged, and for protecting the original items, laws let them make a copy and use it instead of the original for preventing the possible damages...
Yes but you can't make them work without hacking/cracking it so it is illegal 😊 You can indeed copy it legally but then it won't work 😛
you can crack the game and and copy it to a new memory card. if u share this information or copy that will be illegal, but if you don't share the technique and the the copy of the game, just use it yourself no one can tell u that u r doing something illegal. cause u have the original copy, you didn't share it with anyone, you didn't give away any recipe... so u r just reverse enginnering something, not doing illegal things... if reverse engineering is illegal all the big technology companies must be sentenced to death of illegal reverse engineering the new technologies of rival firms. 😃
drager wrote:you can crack the game and and copy it to a new memory card. if u share this information or copy that will be illegal, but if you don't share the technique and the the copy of the game, just use it yourself no one can tell u that u r doing something illegal. cause u have the original copy, you didn't share it with anyone, you didn't give away any recipe... so u r just reverse enginnering something, not doing illegal things... if reverse engineering is illegal all the big technology companies must be sentenced to death of illegal reverse engineering the new technologies of rival firms. 😃
Your saying is, 🙄 do the cracking just dont get caught. 🙄
Kamalayan wrote:Your saying is, 🙄 do the cracking just dont get caught. 🙄
not quitely, do the cracking and don't share the cracking methods and copies.
drager wrote:not quitely, do the cracking and don't share the cracking methods and copies.
... so you dont get caught. 😃
if u don't want to be caught so don't; its up to you. but if you do, nothing will change for you, cause the thing that u r doing is your right. except there is a law about reverse engineering something is totally illegal in any ways and in any conditions...
drager wrote:if u don't want to be caught so don't; its up to you. but if you do, nothing will change for you, cause the thing that u r doing is your right. EXCEPT there is a law about reverse engineering something is totally illegal in any ways and in any conditions...
Being caught is not an option. It may come in any form. You may be taken by surprise or notice it coming.
Nothing will change? Hmmm... Being charged and fined, nothing will change?
The right thing does not always benefit one person, by norms, it should benefit the general public or in this case the game developers and stuff... that is why the so called right thing is not a personal preference but an established norm like rules and laws. If there is a law about reverse engineering, "it" being illegal, then THAT is not in accordance to the established norm and cannot be LEGAL in any way.
Peace
Kamalayan wrote:Being caught is not an option. It may come in any form. You may be taken by surprise or notice it coming.Nothing will change? Hmmm... Being charged and fined, nothing will change?
The right thing does not always benefit one person, by norms, it should benefit the general public or in this case the game developers and stuff... that is why the so called right thing is not a personal preference but an established norm like rules and laws. If there is a law about reverse engineering, "it" being illegal, then THAT is not in accordance to the established norm and cannot be LEGAL in any way.
Peace
Before I start, i want to quote a definition of reverse engineering:
Reverse engineering is the general process of analyzing a technology specifically to ascertain how it was designed or how it operates. This kind of inquiry engages individuals in a constructive learning process about the operation of systems and products. Reverse engineering as a method is not confined to any particular purpose, but is often an important part of the scientific method and technological development. The process of taking something apart and revealing the way in which it works is often an effective way to learn how to build a technology or make improvements to it.
Through reverse engineering, a researcher gathers the technical data necessary for the documentation of the operation of a technology or component of a system. In "black box" reverse engineering, systems are observed without examining internal structure, while in "white box" reverse engineering the inner workings of the system are inspected.
Through these methods, researchers are able to examine the strength of systems and identify their weaknesses in terms of performance, security, and interoperability. The reverse engineering process allows researchers to understand both how a program works and also what aspects of the program contribute to its not working. Independent manufacturers can participate in a competitive market that rewards the improvements made on dominant products. For example, security audits, which allow users of software to better protect their systems and networks by revealing security flaws, require reverse engineering. The creation of better designs and the interoperability of existing products often begin with reverse engineering. Source: Chilling Effects Clearinghouse
i think there is a misunderstanding between u and me about this :con? ... correct me if i'm wrong please... i'm not defending warez and cracking. i'm a developer too. cracking and warez is concerning me too and i'm against it as you can see... BUT; here i'm talking about personal rights and being some sort of clever. for example i developed a software and hid some features. if someone reverse engineer it and uses ONLY FOR PERSONAL USE it is allright for me. and as a developer i gonna want to meet him/her talk about the way he/she did it.
it's my personal right playing with every inch of my item/software/game/device. i can do whatever i want to it if i'm not using it against anybody. if i want i can broke, if i can i can play or if i want i can reverse enginner it and solve the puzzle in my mind. as i said that's my personal right. no one can say what should i do about the item that they sold me. they can tell me the basics, they can tell me how can i do things with it, but they can't say what SHOULD i do with that item. belive me no one can charge u about anything if u r a reverse engineer and u r reverse engineering something...
There famous softwares that are built by reverse engineering Windows. For example Samba. SAmba is a software which allows non-windows systems share files with the windows-systemd. For Samba, developers had to reverse engineer winows sharing mechanism and how it works and showed the unpublished information about it. This made possible non-windows systems to emuate the windows file sharing system. For OpenOffice they reverse engineered Microsoft Office file formats. WINE does the same thing for Windows API.
If u r living in US; check this; US court: Reverse engineering is 'presumptively legal' .
as i said we are talking about similiar things but not the same ones. and i still believe that reverse engineering is not an illegal act, like u called it...
PS:
Section 117 of the Copyright Act provides that:
[I]t is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided:
1. that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that it used in no other manner, or
2. that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful
Im not a technical person like you so I dont really know anything about the laws concerning reverse engineering and stuffs so thanks for clearing that out. 😃 It applies in your country i dont know if the same does in other countries.
Most people are not developers like you and most will resort to having games cracked through other means. So i understand the moderators discouragement of this issue as being legal. For personal use as you stated, wont be illegal, I heed to that, just dont distribute the games to others which seems to be the right thing. 😃 (Now I know)
Peace.
Kamalayan wrote:Im not a technical person like you so I dont really know anything about the laws concerning reverse engineering and stuffs so thanks for clearing that out. 😃 It applies in your country i dont know if the same does in other countries.Most people are not developers like you and most will resort to having games cracked through other means. So i understand the moderators discouragement of this issue as being legal. For personal use as you stated, wont be illegal, I heed to that, just dont distribute the games to others which seems to be the right thing. 😃 (Now I know)
Peace.
😃 ... most of the countries in the world as no law against crackin, warez and any digital illegal actions. the ones that have has lots of conflicts because this is a new issue for everyone, it is a very complicated thing to fit in law. there are some misunderstandings about this and there will be. cause internet is not like the real world, and real world laws can't fit directly into this world.
best regards... 😉
drager wrote:😃 ... most of the countries in the world as no law against crackin, warez and any digital illegal actions. the ones that have has lots of conflicts because this is a new issue for everyone, it is a very complicated thing to fit in law. there are some misunderstandings about this and there will be. cause internet is not like the real world, and real world laws can't fit directly into this world.
best regards... 😉
I do agree, As of the moment not sufficient knowledge and the continuing growth in information and technology development makes a great hindrance for governments to make laws about these issues. There are greater things at hand and their knowledge is insufficient to even fathom understanding of these things. For most countries, that applies.
but i'm not totally agree that goventments should put strict rules and laws in information technology and internet, on every issue. some things should remain uncontolled... and they will be, even the govenments make strict laws and rules... 😎
Firstly, if you buy something, you own it and can do whatever you want with it. For instance, if I buy a TV and decide to smash it, I can do it. No one can make this illegal. Same goes for a n-gage game, once you buy it, you can do whatever you want with it. If I wanted to nail it to a frisbee and fling it over a rainbow, I could, even if Nokia said, "no you can't - you must not destroy it" they have absolutely no legal right in the matter. Why? Because I OWN it, it's MINE, they have no say about what I can and cannot do with it. I choose, I am the OWNER. Once they sell it to me they can't do squat.
strayan wrote:Firstly, if you buy something, you own it and can do whatever you want with it. For instance, if I buy a TV and decide to smash it, I can do it. No one can make this illegal. Same goes for a n-gage game, once you buy it, you can do whatever you want with it. If I wanted to nail it to a frisbee and fling it over a rainbow, I could, even if Nokia said, "no you can't - you must not destroy it" they have absolutely no legal right in the matter. Why? Because I OWN it, it's MINE, they have no say about what I can and cannot do with it. I choose, I am the OWNER. Once they sell it to me they can't do squat.
The procedure is illegal as it opens doors to distribution of "Cracked" games. Like Drager said as a developer you can crack it open but for your own use only, and not for distribution which is illegal.
Id like to see you throw it with a frisbee though, fling it over our house. 😃
There is, of course, another rule, and that's the rules we use to govern these Forums. Irrespective of the laws of a country, we can ask you not to talk about certain subjects on these boards.
As I'm sure you'll understand, the principle of putting many games on one MMC can be seen in some circles to be the same as piracy. We've spent a lot of time and effort keeping these boards clear of piracy and warez, and we get a lot of respect in the industry because of this.
I think this conversation has run it's course and feel it's going to stray into techniques and how to if you're not careful. So please, keep this to a discussion on the issues guys, and use a bit of common sense.
Ewan wrote:There is, of course, another rule, and that's the rules we use to govern these Forums. Irrespective of the laws of a country, we can ask you not to talk about certain subjects on these boards.As I'm sure you'll understand, the principle of putting many games on one MMC can be seen in some circles to be the same as piracy. We've spent a lot of time and effort keeping these boards clear of piracy and warez, and we get a lot of respect in the industry because of this.
I think this conversation has run it's course and feel it's going to stray into techniques and how to if you're not careful. So please, keep this to a discussion on the issues guys, and use a bit of common sense.
i understand your concenrs. i totally respect the effort of yours keeping these boards clear of piracy and warez. I'm not supporting any warez or crack, believe me. the thing i'm trying to tell here is, do whatever u want for your own use and with your personal efforts. but if you use the information that u found or implemented that breaks the privacy policy of the product, don't use it for harming the developer,company or any other person or group. if you share i will break the rules, and this will be warez, crack or whatever you call it.
u can have my word about not to talk about any techniques and how to s... i'm not here for this. if anyone really wonders these, they cantry to search and learn. believe if anyone ask, no one here will answer.