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6600 or N-Gage ?

24 replies · 2,878 views · Started 15 October 2004

Hi all,
I want to buy a s60 phone and cant decide between those 2,
hope you can help,(Another option is to wait for the 6630 to reach to less then 440$,
but how long is that to happen??)

Here are the stuff I need from my phone:

1. Good Speaker, with sensetive Mic.

2. Size, not a 'Must' but Smaller is a big Plus...

3. Games - The phone must to run Emu's and Roms as smoother as possible, and good controls for tham, Ngage game are nice, but not a "Must".

4. Screen - That can show photos and movies in good colors and brightness.

5.Movies - The device must play video at a good rate for watching (20-25FPS)

6. Price - Cheap ! (I can get the 6600 for 350$+30$ BT adaptor+10$ Doal mono head set, while the Ngage is 260$ only - no need for the rest.

7. Music - I want to hear music good on my device, not must for a stereo but if the 6600 plays in mono good, it's still ok.

8. Battery Life - longer is better, mainly for music, calls, and movies.

9. Controls - comfortable as possible, keys and dpads.

10. Compatibility - Who runs better and the most 60 apps and games.

11. Good PIM stuff, like calander and contacts with Pc sync.

12. Camera wil be real nice , But I got a good Digi Camera anyway ...

What Do U suggest ?

1. Well first of all, if you're getting a regular Ngage(not the QD), then it'll have better speakers since its stereo. But you'll have to do the side talkin deal.

2. I think the Ngage is a little bit longer than the 6600. The QD is about the same size.

3. Now, I have a 6620 and a QD and from my personal experience, the 6620 ran the PicoDrive with Sonic 2 waay faster than the QD. But I definately prefer the QD controls over the 6620.

4. Both have similar size screens. But the 6600 has a lot more colors so photos will look better on it.

5. The 6620 played videos just fine. Havent tried it on the QD yet...

6. Ngage way cheaper....of course i didnt pay the full price on either phones but i still got the QD less than 170$.

7. Well hearing music is better than no music, even if it is mono. The regular Ngage has stereo so it'll sound better on it. Believe me.

8. On the regular Ngage, if you plan on switching games quite often, then your battery is gonna drain quicker than water since you have to switch the system off, pull the battery out, put the MMC in and restart it up.

9. I dont have a problem with the 6620 controls but its not the greatest for gaming. As for the Ngage, its perfect for gamming but not so great for cel-phone...especially if you want to navigate through the menus having to use two hands...

10. Dunno....

11. Both have the usual calenda, contacts, etc....practically identical.

12. Well obviously the 6600 has the camera. But my philosophy, if you really wanted to take good digital pictures, why not just use a digital camera?

It all depends on what you really want. If you're more into gamming, then the Ngage would be better for you. But if you rather use more as for cel-phoning, then get the 6600.

nerou, Thenks for the detailed answer.... but some comments.
1. QD Sucks - The first one Rulz 😊, but I don't think it has
stereo speakers. I'm more concerned about the microphone of the
speaker, is it good enough for ppl to hear me well ?

2. Ya but the NGage us thinner then 6600.

3. I know that 6620 is faster then 6600, so the speed in 6600 and the Ngage are somehow the same ? what fps did U get for sega roms in the Ngage ?

4. I know , but from what I saw their screens look the same to me, at list for the 2 min I saw them.

7. But if I hear mono in the 6600, will the frequency and the bitrate sound worse too, besides of the mono isue?

8. As I said, not planning to switch card, I'm getting a 256MB card and filiing in with emu's and roms (and videos and music), so no switching is needed.

9. Theres also the problem of 2 hands use... ( but my last phone was 3300 so I got use to is 😊 )

11. What about the Pc sync ... ? can it be done somehow with the usb cabe without having to by the BT doungle ? (contacts, bookmarks backup, and calander sync)

12. As I said, I got a really good digicam, so that's not the problem,
But I still think it's very nice to have a camera and videocorder with U every where you go.

Actually, what I need is a multimedia PDA with phone that can be:
Mp3+Radio Player, PIM, Phone, gamedack, and mobile document reader,
and camera (if possible) in one device .

Doron A. wrote:nerou, Thenks for the detailed answer.... but some comments.
1. QD Sucks - The first one Rulz 😊, but I don't think it has
stereo speakers. I'm more concerned about the microphone of the
speaker, is it good enough for ppl to hear me well ?

2. Ya but the NGage us thinner then 6600.

3. I know that 6620 is faster then 6600, so the speed in 6600 and the Ngage are somehow the same ? what fps did U get for sega roms in the Ngage ?

4. I know , but from what I saw their screens look the same to me, at list for the 2 min I saw them.

7. But if I hear mono in the 6600, will the frequency and the bitrate sound worse too, besides of the mono isue?

8. As I said, not planning to switch card, I'm getting a 256MB card and filiing in with emu's and roms (and videos and music), so no switching is needed.

9. Theres also the problem of 2 hands use... ( but my last phone was 3300 so I got use to is 😊 )

11. What about the Pc sync ... ? can it be done somehow with the usb cabe without having to by the BT doungle ? (contacts, bookmarks backup, and calander sync)

12. As I said, I got a really good digicam, so that's not the problem,
But I still think it's very nice to have a camera and videocorder with U every where you go.

Actually, what I need is a multimedia PDA with phone that can be:
Mp3+Radio Player, PIM, Phone, gamedack, and mobile document reader,
and camera (if possible) in one device .

I was in the same boat as you, and I ended up choosing the 6620.. bigger screen and more colors. It also has Stereo sound. You can load most N-gage games onto it and I finally chose it because I didnt want to upgrade the phone later because it didnt have a camera. I've been VERY happy with the 6620, i'd recommend it to anyone. Good luck

I know 6620 is great ... but it won't work with my provider 😞 ...
different bands ... so I'm stuck with the decision between
6600 or Ngage (or again wait for the 6630) 😞

Doron A. wrote:nerou, Thenks for the detailed answer.... but some comments.
1. QD Sucks - The first one Rulz 😊, but I don't think it has
stereo speakers. I'm more concerned about the microphone of the
speaker, is it good enough for ppl to hear me well ?

I never had a problem with it - I am using the QD though. I didnt like the orignal Ngage cause of the side talking and the pulling out the battery everytime I changed a game - which ended up draining the battery faster than water.

2. Ya but the NGage us thinner then 6600.

Thinner is one thing, but its still longer. Not a big deal but i prefer it to be smaller.

3. I know that 6620 is faster then 6600, so the speed in 6600 and the Ngage are somehow the same ? what fps did U get for sega roms in the Ngage ?

I couldnt tell ya. But i can assure you that when I ran it, the QD was noticeably slower than the 6620.

7. But if I hear mono in the 6600, will the frequency and the bitrate sound worse too, besides of the mono isue?

Well just keep in mind, no matter what, stereo will always sound better than mono. But if do not plan on constantly using a headset, then it shouldnt even matter.

8. As I said, not planning to switch card, I'm getting a 256MB card and filiing in with emu's and roms (and videos and music), so no switching is needed.

Know what you mean, I got a 1 gig MMC on my 6620 and I got tons of stuff (roms, mp3, movies) on it already with plenty of room to go. I also got a 256 MMC in my QD with several Ngage games on it.....yep its the good life. 😃

9. Theres also the problem of 2 hands use... ( but my last phone was 3300 so I got use to is 😊 )

In that case, you should have no problem with the Ngage!

11. What about the Pc sync ... ? can it be done somehow with the usb cabe without having to by the BT doungle ? (contacts, bookmarks backup, and calander sync)

I think the original Ngage had it. I personally rather use an MMC card reader for everything....much less headache and much faster.

12. As I said, I got a really good digicam, so that's not the problem,
But I still think it's very nice to have a camera and videocorder with U every where you go.

Ya thats what I thought so i got the 6620. But now it turns out that i really didnt need it.

Actually, what I need is a multimedia PDA with phone that can be:
Mp3+Radio Player, PIM, Phone, gamedack, and mobile document reader,
and camera (if possible) in one device .

Sounds like you'd need the 6600 or 6620. Like stated before, the 6620 can actually run some N-Gage games ( yah I tried it myself) but some of the higher end ones may not quite run correctly. Also, the location of the control stick and keys maybe awkward but I've gotten quite use to it.

I'm still worried about the sound quality of the 6600 ...
for comparison, Will the Mp3's there (with doal mono)
will sound like my FM radio in my 10year old walkman. (I think FM is mono) couse it sound quite good there ...

Another thing, can any1 show me a good quality Video he shoot using a 3d party program (Like Philips Camcorder ...) on the 6600 or 6620 (the 6620 has the same camera, right ?)
I mean video at the highest possible frame rate and good picture quality.
Thenks ...

Doron A. wrote:I'm still worried about the sound quality of the 6600 ...
for comparison, Will the Mp3's there (with doal mono)
will sound like my FM radio in my 10year old walkman. (I think FM is mono) couse it sound quite good there ...

FM Radio can carry Mono or Stereo stations, 99% of the stations here in the UK are stereo but if I only have one speaker or my tuner can't lock onto the stereo carrier then it is mono I will be listening to. So that last question deends on how you were listening or what your reception was like.

As far as the sound quality goes (on the 6600), I have never tried MP3 but have listened to WAV and some short OGG files and it sounds fine, let me tell you a story 😃 -
I have used a short section from from one of my favourite tunes as a ring tone, I was listening to some music one day using my Bluetooth MP3 player when the phone rang and I didn't realise until I noticed the song was too short 😊

But as for quality from the phones speaker, well they are not meant for high quality audio but they are decent enough.

Doran A. wrote:Actually, what I need is a multimedia PDA with phone that can be:
Mp3+Radio Player, PIM, Phone, gamedack, and mobile document reader,
and camera (if possible) in one device .

Just to throw a spanner in the works 😉 It sounds like you will love the 7710, except I can't see it playing games with it's touch screen. No details of a release yet, it is not even on the Nokia coming soon page. Thread for it here .

lakeywhite wrote:
Just to throw a spanner in the works 😉 It sounds like you will love the 7710, except I can't see it playing games with it's touch screen. No details of a release yet, it is not even on the Nokia coming soon page. Thread for it here .

Lol .... I like touch screen, but this phone wil be probably out of my
price range 😞 .

About the audio Qality, I didn't understand ...
I asked if it will sound worse then FM radio (on headsets),
no matter if it's Stereo of Mono, I'm talking about the overall sound quality.

And any1 with the 6600 how can commant about the speed isue
compared to the Ngage ? (In emu's and overall system speed)
I heard that the 6600 has very slow menu responses.

Sorry about the multi-massage, but I have to made up my mind
real soon, because someone offered to sell me the NGage with 1.5 year
offical warranty, real real cheap, So anyone saying I shouldn't take the NGage then ?

Doron A. wrote:Sorry about the multi-massage, but I have to made up my mind
real soon, because someone offered to sell me the NGage with 1.5 year
offical warranty, real real cheap, So anyone saying I shouldn't take the NGage then ?

Go for it dude! Remember, I always considered the Ngage as a regular celphone with added gamming bonus :tongue:

neuro wrote:Go for it dude! Remember, I always considered the Ngage as a regular celphone with added gamming bonus :tongue:

If it only were that simple ....
now he tells me that his device fell a few time and has some scratch over
the screen panal. It also been in repairs 2 times, but now he tells me that the Repair Guys said it's ok now.
What do U say ? (BTW he wants for is 246US$)

Doron A. wrote:If it only were that simple ....
now he tells me that his device fell a few time and has some scratch over
the screen panal. It also been in repairs 2 times, but now he tells me that the Repair Guys said it's ok now.
What do U say ? (BTW he wants for is 246US$)

That seems expensive to me, considering a new N-Gage was/is selling for $199 from a gaming store.

--Jason

riftweaver wrote:That seems expensive to me, considering a new N-Gage was/is selling for $199 from a gaming store.
--Jason

Where are U from ? In here (Israel) phones are real expensive,
I think 300-350US$ in the stores for the ngage, besides it's really
hard to find it in shops here! checked over 10 and nothing 😞 ...

Doron A. wrote:If it only were that simple ....
now he tells me that his device fell a few time and has some scratch over
the screen panal. It also been in repairs 2 times, but now he tells me that the Repair Guys said it's ok now.
What do U say ? (BTW he wants for is 246US$)

Well from what I heard, a lot of folks did run into some problems with the Ngage at times.....it crashes really easily if you try to tranfers large data files to it's internal memory and you have no choice but it get it re-flashed. Also, there is that issue with the 4.0 firmware having a darker screen than the 4.10.

But......I only paid $145 for it off eBay.......

neuro wrote:Well from what I heard, a lot of folks did run into some problems with the Ngage at times.....it crashes really easily if you try to tranfers large data files to it's internal memory and you have no choice but it get it re-flashed. Also, there is that issue with the 4.0 firmware having a darker screen than the 4.10.

But......I only paid $145 for it off eBay.......


Why would someone want to put big files on the phone and not the mmc ???
So what firmware should I upgrade to ?
I've seen that those sold here are with 3.30 ...
are there any big fixes in the later ones ?

Well the problem with the QD is that it doesnt have a USB connection and people tend to transfer file via bluetooth which automatically saves in the phones internal memory. Like i said before, MMC reader is the way to go.

About the firmware, I *think* the latest is 4.15 - I could be wrong and it may still be 4.10. I think they had to upgrade it cause the earlier 3.x firmware had some compatibilty issues with certain programs and the upgrade to 4.10 was because the 4.00 flash dimmed the screeen a bit.

i havn't tried the mp3 player in the original ngage but if u care about the sound quality at all then go with the ngage cause the 6600 sounds pretty bad. its not meant to play music so it sounds kinda like listening to the radio with cheap dollar store earphones. only reason i got a 6600 is cause i need a phone first, everything else is just extra

way i see it, if u don't mind the weird orentation and loks of the ngage then get that cause its a whole lot cheaper.

thedon wrote:i havn't tried the mp3 player in the original ngage but if u care about the sound quality at all then go with the ngage cause the 6600 sounds pretty bad. its not meant to play music so it sounds kinda like listening to the radio with cheap dollar store earphones. only reason i got a 6600 is cause i need a phone first, everything else is just extra

way i see it, if u don't mind the weird orentation and loks of the ngage then get that cause its a whole lot cheaper.


Ya I care about sound, but also about
Good PIM options, Smooth video playback, and fast and stable
system for smooth runing SIS apps.
Will Ngage will Give me those better then 6600 ?

BTW, I read somwhere in the fourm that although Nokia's Player
plays music in a CD quality , 3D Party appz (Like smartmovie)
will only be able to play in 16Kh Audio and Mono, is this true 😞 ???

besides having better sound i think the ngage does everything the same as the 6600... though u can't use themes on the ngage without some 3rd party software

i'm not sure about 3rd party software playing mono but i wouldn't be suprised as the are probably made to play on the 6600.... even if this is the case though, at least u will get to use ure own earphones instead of the cheap ones that nokia sells

There's the Camera Isue too, but the quality is crappy anyway ...
Well I think I'll go with the Ngage, couse it's price is almost half of 6600
and they pretty much the same. ( Plus I'm low on Cash 😊 )
if only they could make it smaller ... and not SideTalkable 😞

elton wrote:Read this thread,for a side talking remedy.

😊

Thenks, I know this already...
but I'm not sure if to do this couse I think it'll will invoke my warnerty 😞
(Plus it's risky)...
Anyway someone told me I can still talk normaly with Ngage (Like in the 3300)
and I'll still hear the call, if I put my ear a bit higher.