Don't you think that the today announcements (see below) can carry a dangerous shift in Nokia's advertised commitment to open source? I think next generations of our Symbian Communicators might well be affected... A similar bowing to pressure happened when Nokia licensed SD which might affect the future viability of the royalty-free MMC standard.
Thus, whilst we are the 'freedom fighters' against WM platforms here, Nokia might betray us and the cause of Symbian/open source (the same happened to users when Psion gave up Epoc to Windows...). I can even imagine that some Nokia devices will run WM in the future, although this would be a nightmare...
Or is it only a right step towards the much awaited convergence?
Can you still see an optimistic scenario with Symbian winning the war?
Nokia licenses Microsoft Exchange Server ActiveSync protocol for integration with Nokia's business-optimized devices
http://press.nokia.com/PR/200502/980375_5.html
Microsoft and Nokia Collaborate to Help Ensure Consumers Can Enjoy Digital Music Anywhere
http://press.nokia.com/PR/200502/980519_5.html
Over the air sync with Exchange is good for Nokia and business users.
DRM of WMA for Nokia phones is good for M$ in their battle with the growing threat from Apple's iTunes.
So Nokia win and M$ win - seems like we will win as well
BB333 wrote:I can even imagine that some Nokia devices will run WM in the future
How on earth can you draw that conclusion based on Nokia licensing MS Exchange server for syncing? :con?
I know that people are afraid of M$ world domination and all, but get real, Symbian will continue to rule the smartphone market for many years to come ("14.4 million Symbain OS powered handsets were shipped in 2004. With 41 phones shipping and another 40 phones in development from the 12 announced licencees. Going hand in hand, 4001 third party applications are now available for the platform"😉. And Nokia is the primary shareholder (47.9%) in Symbian Ltd. 😉
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/forum//forum/thread/34195/#post215011#post215011
Raven wrote:How on earth can you draw that conclusion based on Nokia licensing MS Exchange server for syncing? :con? I know that people are afraid of M$ world domination and all, but get real, Symbian will continue to rule the smartphone market for many years to come ("14.4 million Symbain OS powered handsets were shipped in 2004. With 41 phones shipping and another 40 phones in development from the 12 announced licencees. Going hand in hand, 4001 third party applications are now available for the platform"😉. And Nokia is the primary shareholder (47.9%) in Symbian Ltd. 😉
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/forum//forum/thread/34195/#post215011#post215011
Thanks Raven for your reassuring words, I hope you are right. Psion's example made me think of this pessimistic scenario (you know: they invented Epoc, were its owners and than betrayed it...) as MS's domination is a frightening fact whether one is afraid of it or not.
True that, but Symbian is ALOT stronger now though (with many strong manufacturers behind them), than EPOC was back then, (with only Psion steering the ship).
Raven wrote:True that, but Symbian is ALOT stronger now though (with many strong manufacturers behind them), than EPOC was back then, (with only Psion steering the ship).
That's again true.
My concern is, however, that the Communicator segment is not so considerable (yet) within the smartphone 14million volume and, on the contrary, Windows Mobile is the same for all device types running that OS (Symbian has so many sub-platforms), with a lot of software available for that platform.
Nevertheless, there could be a very positive scenario, too. Many say that most of the world's population will have access to the Internet for the first time via mobile phones, smartphones in the future, so if the trend of the overwhelming domination of Symbian on that market is not broken, it may also turn out that Symbian could envisage to conquer some other device segments, don't you think? It would be too nice to become a reality...
Originally Posted by BB333
I can even imagine that some Nokia devices will run WM in the future
This question was asked in the Q&A after the press conference and Nokia said that there are no plans to release a device running Windows Mobile.
You also forget that Windows was not wrtten for devices with RF (Mobile Phone) capabilities, symbian however was.....
Bear in mind also that a phone running windoze mobile would be more expensive to produce as it would need faster processor, more ram etc etc and there's less oppertunity for markup.
Don't forget that this is a rather large move pushing it's DRM format on another platform that is outselling it's own, their eyes are firmly fixed on the DRM royalties, no doubt on M$ sites the conversation is of M$ selling out by licensing stuff to Nokia who are pushing a different OS.
SwitchBlade wrote:Bear in mind also that a phone running windoze mobile would be more expensive to produce as it would need faster processor, more ram etc etc and there's less oppertunity for markup.Don't forget that this is a rather large move pushing it's DRM format on another platform that is outselling it's own, their eyes are firmly fixed on the DRM royalties, no doubt on M$ sites the conversation is of M$ selling out by licensing stuff to Nokia who are pushing a different OS.
It is funny to think of Microsoft selling out, and Nokia (pushing Symbian) taking over. I hope it will become a reality.
In Cannes, however, other developments may also be detected. Heise Mobile gave the title to MS's and Flextronics' 3GSM conference announcement on Peabody GSM/GPRS/EDGE Platform: "Microsoft putting more pressure on Symbian"...
http://www.heise.de/mobil/newsticker/meldung/56352