Route 66 NOT supported

"ROUTE 66 Customer Support" doesn't seem to have complete understanding of release/version related facts...

The N-Gage, N-Gage QD and Siemens SX1 are based on the same Symbian OS 6.1 version and Series 60 1.2 (Series 60 1st Edition) as the Sendo X.

In that respect, if Sendo X has sufficient dynamic RAM (4MB is stated to be the requirement), then it should work.

The 3650, 3660 (and 3600 and 3620 not mentioned, presumably because they are/were for the US market only) are also based on Symbian 6.1/Series 60 1.2, but apparently with too little dynamic RAM for this app.

Of the phones listed,

- the 6600 has Symbian OS 7.0s and Series 60 2.0 (Series 60 2nd Edition);

- the 6620, 3230, 6260, 6670 and 7610 are based on Symbian OS 7.0s and Series 60 2.1 (2nd Edition Feature Pack 1);

- the 6630, 6680 and 6681 are based on Symbian OS 8.0a and Series 60 2.6 (2nd Edition, Feature Pack 2)

N/A - Yep, I thought that the SendoX fits their requirements.

They did used to include the Sendo X in their list of supported phones - I'm just interested why they have removed it - was it because of some specific issue with the Sendox?

I guess the point is - if I purchase Route 66 and have some problems, then they can quite rightly say that my Sendo X is not supported.

Anybody any experience of running Route 66 on their Sendox?

Dave

Hello,

Route66 Version 1.04 works with the X. Sometimes ist looses the connection to the bluetooth-gps with the connection still active on the phone and only turning off and on allows a new connection.

bottomline

Route 66 definately works with the X - one of the admins on here makes the point often about how it has wider sup[port than TomTom Mobile. The problem is that most developers and support have not come across the Sendo, despite its high ranking sales positions. However, watch this space....

wilkidj wrote:N/A - Yep, I thought that the SendoX fits their requirements.

They did used to include the Sendo X in their list of supported phones - I'm just interested why they have removed it - was it because of some specific issue with the Sendox?

I guess the point is - if I purchase Route 66 and have some problems, then they can quite rightly say that my Sendo X is not supported.

Anybody any experience of running Route 66 on their Sendox?

Dave

Working fine here, bought is as a package, Route66+Sendo X. Also using the GPS device, which works perfectly with the X. Very strange indeed that they say the Sendo X isn't supported??

With my X and bluetooth gps is also working.
But i've read somewhere that because it uses many memory, it may cause to to recieve phone calls.

indeed sendo x and route 66 is working quite good i do have a sendo x with route 66

curious to know what "version" of the phone everyone has that has posted here. by that i mean, was it purchased through a vendor (expansys) or bought under contract - if contract, what carrier...

what i am seeing now is that, depending on the "version" and the firmware, each one is different.

for instance, i have three X's - two branded vodafone and one that has the "generic" firmware (1.1.502 something something - different than the other two). the voda branded phones work rather well, no bugs at all. the expansys "worldwide" phone with the different firmware has some issues with panes and can't receive calls when mp3 is playing.

wilkidj wrote:Just checking the Route 66 website, and I noticed that there was no mention of support for the Sendo X.
<SNIP>
I'm not a happy bunny. Part of the reason I bought the Sendo X was that it appeared to be supported by Route 66.

Anyone any view?

Dave

Hi Dave,

The reason for this is that Route66 are switching over to DV RS-MMC Cards (Dual Voltage Reduced Size MMC's), to cope with the new Nokia phones, as some of their new handsets have issues with the original RS-MMC Cards.

They are claiming that the X does not support these cards. We have asked for sample cards to test, but, as yet, have not received any from them. I will chase this again to find out what is going on.

I actually use R66 fine on my X (and X2), and it works great. I copied the data to my own (bigger) card anyway, so didn't even use the original RS-MMC card it came on.

Out of interest, has anyone got/tried DV RS-MMC Cards? Do they work in the X? I am sure this can be fixed in a firmware upgrade anyway, so it shouldn't be a big problem, if they do not currently work.

pk

Plinkykev,

Top man - just what I needed to know.

Dave

wilkidj wrote:Plinkykev,

Top man - just what I needed to know.

Dave

No problem.

Oh, and by the way, I just ran it on a 7610 and X2, and R66 consumes 5.6 MB of RAM (for UK version anyway). This is quite a bit more than the 4MB they quote on the website! It works dynamically though, so if you have less RAM, as with the X, it's still OK.

Kev, I've just tried an RS-DV MMC on my X - it works without any problem on the current firmware 😊

stuclark wrote:Kev, I've just tried an RS-DV MMC on my X - it works without any problem on the current firmware 😊

Thanks Stu. Can you tell me the make / capacity ?

Works and works, well...

Route 66 Mobile 2005 runs on the X, but if very often hangs due to memory
problems and gives me "out of memory" error message.

Also the applications itself is CRAP compared to e.g. Tomtom Mobile and Navicore.

The application is not capable of rendering fast enough to give you an exact
location of where you are.. The screen/movement stutters and is not smooth..
If I drive faster than 60km/h Route 66 is basically useless if you ask me!
(And I have been using gps navigation software for years!!!)

On Tomtom Mobile (which does not work on the X), the movement is 100% smooth.

I'll give Route 66 credit for some cool features though; The contact list of the phone
is integrated into the software, which makes you capable of planning routes
from one friend to another etc..

Route calculation on Route 66 is insanely slow, and this is especially irritating
if you get off track of your current route and the application need to
recalculate. You basically need to pull over to wait for the application to finish.

Map detail/update are approx the same as Tomtom, but the maps still look
much nicer on Tomtom..

plinkykev wrote:Thanks Stu. Can you tell me the make / capacity ?

HB28N064RM3D
JPN A300515
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I'll try my branded RS-DV MMC when it turns up tomorrow.

6680?
How about a comparison between the x and the 6680? 😃

I'm in the middle of writing it, but here's the highlights...

Screen: 6680 is better than X, but not as nice as X2.
Camera: Obviously better than X, I think about the same as X2.
Sound: X wins by a mile (dual port speakers etc) but 6680 pauses less during playback and multi-tasking.
Overall speed: 6680 is quicker at opening messaging, but about the same everywhere else. It's speed is about the same as the X2.
Memory: X wins hands down. There's only 2MB left of internal memory on my 6680, and no applications are installed to the phone memory. Everything (including texts) has to be put on memory card for sensible use.
Size: It's bigger than the X in every respect apart from thickness, but even then, the X is nicer to hold. X2 will trounce it!
Video recording: Beats the X, but is about the same as X2 (X2 may well have got better by now)
Free RAM: My X has just over 4MB free when booted. The 6680 has just over 5MB. X2 will have over 7MB!
Keypad: The X's is much easier to use, the 6680s keys feel too small and close together. X2 should beat it as well (from what I remember).

...that's in a nutshell, the full comparison will be out soon...

Well, that's... erm... unexpected.
I think the 6680 was far superior to x and x2. :con?
Everyone else is saying that 6680/6630 is far quicker than the x (previous x owners)

plinkykev wrote:Hi Dave,

The reason for this is that Route66 are switching over to DV RS-MMC Cards (Dual Voltage Reduced Size MMC's), to cope with the new Nokia phones, as some of their new handsets have issues with the original RS-MMC Cards.

They are claiming that the X does not support these cards. We have asked for sample cards to test, but, as yet, have not received any from them. I will chase this again to find out what is going on.

I actually use R66 fine on my X (and X2), and it works great. I copied the data to my own (bigger) card anyway, so didn't even use the original RS-MMC card it came on.

Out of interest, has anyone got/tried DV RS-MMC Cards? Do they work in the X? I am sure this can be fixed in a firmware upgrade anyway, so it shouldn't be a big problem, if they do not currently work.

pk

I started using R66 with 1.01 and switched to 1.05

Sometime you'll get "Kernel 3" which is out of memory related.

Nightwisher wrote:Well, that's... erm... unexpected.
I think the 6680 was far superior to x and x2. :con?
Everyone else is saying that 6680/6630 is far quicker than the x (previous x owners)

Camera/video is of course better, the x lacks both abilities due to some problems with grafix-speed ...

All in all: Have had 6680/6681 and of course I own the X.

6680/6681 sold, X kept. 😃

Btw: You can always read my tests of the latest mobiles on www.telefon-treff.de. Sad to say they are in german 😃

dragon-tmd wrote:Menuspeed: The 6680/6681 is quicker and faster than the X, which is in fact no problem as it uses 220 MHz ARM9 ...

Camera/video is of course better, the x lacks both abilities due to some problems with grafix-speed ...

All in all: Have had 6680/6681 and of course I own the X.

6680/6681 sold, X kept. 😃

Btw: You can always read my tests of the latest mobiles on www.telefon-treff.de. Sad to say they are in german 😃

stuclark wrote:Agreed, but of course X2 is much better than X at all the things you (and I) mentioned 😊

Nightwisher wrote:Well, that's... erm... unexpected.
I think the 6680 was far superior to x and x2. :con?
Everyone else is saying that 6680/6630 is far quicker than the x (previous x owners)

Hehe, you have to look at who's writing the comparison.

Do you think a person who's running a Sendo website, and
is branding himself with the Sendo logo will be objective in
such a comparison?

Regardless, only you know what the best phone is for you.
Your needs will decide, reed the forum and you will get
answers, good luck! 😊

I'd rather be objective than objectionable....

The X has been around for almost a year, the Nokia 6680 for 1 1/2 months. It's only natural the 6680 would be a lot more advanced in terms of processor and other features.

messus wrote:Hehe, you have to look at who's writing the comparison.

Do you think a person who's running a Sendo website, and
is branding himself with the Sendo logo will be objective in
such a comparison?

Regardless, only you know what the best phone is for you.
Your needs will decide, reed the forum and you will get
answers, good luck! 😊

However, what I also said is that when X2 comes out, it will give the 6680 a run for it's money. There are areas where the X2 is FAR superior to the 6680. Ok, so it's processor is slower and it's running an older version of Series 60, but these aren't the only things that matter!

In MY opinion, X2 is / will be a much more usable handset than the 6680. Infact, I find myself prefering to use my X rather than the 6680, even if it's camera isn't as good, even if it isn't quite as quick, and even if it is on an older version of series 60.

Oh, and look closely - the logo I'm "branding myself with" is infact the logo from MY site, it's not Sendo's logo! Yes, it's based on Sendo's logo, seeing as that is in the site name, but WE ARE NOT SENDO, we are independent, and if something is bad, we'll say it's bad. However, if something is good, we'll say it's good!

stuclark wrote:I'm in the middle of writing it, but here's the highlights...

Screen: 6680 is better than X, but not as nice as X2.
Camera: Obviously better than X, I think about the same as X2.
Sound: X wins by a mile (dual port speakers etc) but 6680 pauses less during playback and multi-tasking.
Overall speed: 6680 is quicker at opening messaging, but about the same everywhere else. It's speed is about the same as the X2.
Memory: X wins hands down. There's only 2MB left of internal memory on my 6680, and no applications are installed to the phone memory. Everything (including texts) has to be put on memory card for sensible use.
Size: It's bigger than the X in every respect apart from thickness, but even then, the X is nicer to hold. X2 will trounce it!
Video recording: Beats the X, but is about the same as X2 (X2 may well have got better by now)
Free RAM: My X has just over 4MB free when booted. The 6680 has just over 5MB. X2 will have over 7MB!
Keypad: The X's is much easier to use, the 6680s keys feel too small and close together. X2 should beat it as well (from what I remember).

...that's in a nutshell, the full comparison will be out soon...

Nutzu wrote:HAHA stuc now u exagerate a lot, first the free mem of 6680 is 8mb(that's what i have in mine)second ofcouse is bigger is a 3G phone too,third is using the latest symbian,and i can go on and on,o and btw the sound that comes in those two speakers it comes from one channel(MONO),so sendo rip off ppl with so called stereo speakers,o and here"There are areas where the X2 is FAR superior to the 6680. Ok, so it's processor is slower and it's running an older version of Series 60, but these aren't the only things that matter!" 😃 is like u are getting the point that X2 is good for nothing,and BTW STUC X2 is not released YET 😃
peace

Rather than trying to pick holes in what I've said, when I am likely to have more insight than some of you, why not wait untill you too have used all three products, then make your own minds up. Each person will prefer a different phone. Personally, I think I'm going to find myself using X2 a lot more than my 6680 (which I only need for 3G data).

And when I talked about free memory, I didn't mean RAM available to run applications (which I think you did) - I meant space available on the C: drive to store programs, files, pictures, texts etc. There's close to 32MB of that space on X and X2 and about 5MB on my 6680!

stuclark wrote:No Nutzu, the X2 hasn't been released yet, but indications are that it's close to release, and anyway (especially in this country) the 6680 is also still very hard to get hold of and has many software issues. (yes, like the X does)

Rather than trying to pick holes in what I've said, when I am likely to have more insight than some of you, why not wait untill you too have used all three products, then make your own minds up. Each person will prefer a different phone. Personally, I think I'm going to find myself using X2 a lot more than my 6680 (which I only need for 3G data).

And when I talked about free memory, I didn't mean RAM available to run applications (which I think you did) - I meant space available on the C: drive to store programs, files, pictures, texts etc. There's close to 32MB of that space on X and X2 and about 5MB on my 6680!

But you must admit that if the x2 had a faster processor and s60 v2 for running various apps (tom tom, etc) with the same size and price it would be sweet 😃
For the x3 -> WLAN

Nightwisher wrote:But you must admit that if the x2 had a faster processor and s60 v2 for running various apps (tom tom, etc) with the same size and price it would be sweet 😃
For the x3 -> WLAN

(also, remember that Nokia do exactlty the same thing, the 6680 is the same hardware as the 6630, and the upcoming N70 also shares the same hardware platform. The only differences are in camera modules, and software features (again, they're the same version of Series 60, namely 2.6))