Sendo defects from MS to Symbian via Series 60

News this good should be reported twice 😉

Maybe now Sendo has a chance of making something useful. It would be interesting if they put a Series60 phone in the same case as their Z100.

Maybe it'll be called the Sendo Z100i 😃 (like the Z100, only better)

Good job I checked before posting this as another news item 😉

Is this a fatal blow for the Microsoft smartphone? I think it may be 😃

It also seems a strange time to announce this, presumably they are sill going to release the Z100 this month? Surely it will effect sales if they are seen as defecting (at least partially) to the other camp?

[quote="langdona"]Good job I checked before posting this as another news item 😉

Is this a fatal blow for the Microsoft smartphone? I think it may be 😃

It also seems a strange time to announce this, presumably they are sill going to release the Z100 this month? Surely it will effect sales if they are seen as defecting (at least partially) to the other camp?[/quote]

Yeah can't be great timing for the Z100. Interestingly they haven't put this on their site yet www.sendo.com I'm assuming th z100 will still arrive but they may produce a Series 60 equiavlent. Having done all the hardwork on the hardware they might be able to produce something double quick time.

This is also good for Nokia. Certainly strenndthens them as a software company.

I quite interested to see what the MS reaction will be.

[quote="Rafe"]
Yeah can't be great timing for the Z100. Interestingly they haven't put this on their site yet www.sendo.com I'm assuming th z100 will still arrive but they may produce a Series 60 equiavlent. Having done all the hardwork on the hardware they might be able to produce something double quick time.
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Well according to Reuters they've scrapped the Z100

"There will not be products based on Microsoft. There is not going to be a Z100," Brogan said.

http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/021107/80/de4kz.html

It worse that I thought for Microsoft.

Yeah it gets worse... for MS that is... According to the Register http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/59/27986.html

Sendo, the UK handset maker, today announced that it's stopping all development on the Windows for Smartphone 2002 platform.

Sendo have now updated their website to reflect the change - here is there statement:

Sendo Z100 NOT TO LAUNCH

Company Statement
Sendo has terminated its Smartphone development program utilising the Microsoft Windows Powered Smartphone 2002 software.

As a result, Sendo regrets to announce that it will not be shipping the Z100 Smartphone.

It has been a very difficult decision for Sendo given its leadership position in the development of smart devices. We are disappointed that we will not be able to ship the Z100 given the high level of interest shown in the device.

Although a set back, we are pleased to announce today that we have licensed the Series 60 platform from Nokia for its Smartphone category. We believe this will create the opportunity for us to continue as a lead player in the development of smart phone products for 2003.

I think Sendo are to be commended for a brave decision. This must have been agonisingly difficult a decision to make. However its nice to see one more member of the Symbian family. 😊

And what's more interesting, this small company manage to be in attention of the world, on a much bigger degree that any other Series 60 licensees, and it's obvious they will generate a lot of discussions in the following days. I think there are very smart guys there, at Sendo company 😊

[quote="eidrian"]And what's more interesting, this small company manage to be in attention of the world, on a much bigger degree that any other Series 60 licensees, and it's obvious they will generate a lot of discussions in the following days. I think there are very smart guys there, at Sendo company 😊[/quote]

He he, guess your are right there. A bigger splash the the N-Gage it would seem. Still it is significant.

Sendo are clever chaps. The Z100 wasn't a bad phone, it was let down by weak software from you know who! They could well produce a really nice Series 60 device with some speed. Certainly for me. Buy British, Buy Symbian, Buy Sendo would have some effect!

I can't wait to see what happens next.

Oh my word this is so suprsing... I kinda assumed what with the MS investment etc. that it was and truly in the MS camp. Just goes to show surprises happen all the time. I too will more inclinded to buy a Series 60 powered Sendo phone.

KISS THAT PPC FORUM!.....DEAD END MY A$$!!

Can I post it as another news item? Can I? Can I? Can I? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease Rafe. 😉

Good thing I checked I was already typing it out. Sendo, half the worlds currently manufacturing licensees for M$ $martphone, throws it back in the pond for a bigger fish.

I feel a new siggy coming on: "M$ $martphone, the *NEW* Betamax"

Now who is left as MS Smartphone licensee? HTC and Samsung? But Samsung also has PalmOS and Series60, now that doesn't look good for Microsoft.

How long before Samsung announce they're dropping the MS Smartphone device? They never seemed that keen on it anyway!

Where does this leave the Orange SPV? They wanted to sell it mainly as a corporate device but now the OS even with the MS tag wont be seen as being the safe choice.

[quote="J2theIZZO"]KISS THAT PPC FORUM!.....DEAD END MY A$$!![/quote]

Eloquency thy name is Izzo! My thought perhaps even if its not what I write! 😊

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6125

More comment on instability of MS OS

[quote="J2theIZZO"]A$$!![/quote]

Isn't the correct spelling "arse"?

According to the Oxford Concise:
Ass n. 1) a donkey 2) a foolish person
Arse n. the buttocks

Now I'm assuming you don't own a donkey, maybe a foolish person, but definately buttocks.

[quote="Reuters"]Sendo Drops Microsoft Software for Nokia

LONDON (Reuters) - British mobile phone maker Sendo said on Thursday it had abandoned a long-awaited Microsoft-based phone and chosen to go with Nokia (news - web sites)'s rival software instead.

Despite having been one of the launching partners for the Microsoft Smartphone program, Chief Executive Hugh Brogan said Sendo had given up on the Z100 Smartphone, which had been due for launch within weeks.

"There will not be products based on Microsoft. There is not going to be a Z100," Brogan said.

The move takes some of the gloss off Microsoft's launch last month of a Smartphone with mobile phone operator Orange, since the U.S. software giant competes head-to-head with Finnish handset maker Nokia for mobile software.

Niklas Savander, Nokia's general manager for mobile Internet applications, said Sendo has agreed to license its Series 60 software -- a suite of applications that runs on the operating system of Psion-controlled Symbian.

Sendo, along with South Korea (news - web sites)'s Samsung Electronics and Japan's Mitsubishi, had been among the first to join Microsoft in its mobile ambitions.

And although Birmingham-based Sendo is a relatively small player in handsets, it has dealt a major symbolic blow to Microsoft by switching sides. Brogan said one reason for the switch was that Sendo could get access to the source code for Nokia software, and therefore customize products. It could not do that with Microsoft.

Besides Nokia, Matsushita's Panasonic, and Siemens and Samsung are also signed up to Series 60. The Nokia system currently has around 60 percent of the market.

But the switch will also mean a setback for Sendo, which had planned to sell millions of the Z100 model. Brogan said it would not be able to bring out a series 60 phone within the next seven or eight months. (Additional reporting by Lucas van Grinsven)
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Sources at the Inquirer following that link, describe M$ $martphone as "kludgy", well......

That was my first thought too! Hehehe, this is better than Sex, well sort of! 😊

I am going to visit them for a while to see their posts...must be very interesting 😊

[quote="Rafe"][quote="J2theIZZO"]KISS THAT PPC FORUM!.....DEAD END MY A$$!![/quote]

Eloquency thy name is Izzo! My thought perhaps even if its not what I write! 😊[/quote]

Sorry I was in a rush and it was a quick way of putting my point accross. 😃

Got to go :robot:

Just the best news of the week ! 😃

As Merlin posted in the 7650 forum, I am in agreement with Merlin, could this be info gathering from M$ since they own < 10% share of Sendo??

I work in a Joint venture company, all information are readily available to our shareholders no matter how small their shareholding is. Whats stopping M$ which owns approx 10% of Sendo from getting Symbian OS tech info during these encounters.

I smell a rat here! :evil:

Cool !

"Marijke van Hooren, Sendo director of communications, declined to answer our questions as to why the company is scrapping the Z100, just days away from launch, citing legal reasons. But she said this:"If we had a choice we would have launched the Z100 - we have customers, we have handsets out there with journalists, we were days away from shipping - but we had no other course of action." "

What do you think they are referring to when they say they had no choice ?

I'm off to the PocketPCThoughts site to see if the news has been posted 😃

Zuber

Round 2 of Symbian vs. M$ "$mart"phone
Symbian wins! 😃 :bday: :bday: :bday: :bday: :bday:

A slightly more focussed question would is the legal problem coming from...

(a) Nokia - blocking the release of the Z100 as it uses an alternative OS?
(b) Microsoft - blocking the release of the Z100 out of spite.

Given that Nokia are licencing S60 to pretty much anybody to run alongside proprietay OS's (such as Nokia OS to take a relevant arguement) I suspect that there must be somethng in the MS-Licence for the PPC-Phone Operating System.

Perhaps in a similar way to how MS blocks PC manufacturers from bundling alternative OS on PC's. Christ, their licence stops them selling PC's with NO operating system - remember the court case in Australli when someone tried to get a �100 refund on the shrink wrapped copy of MS-Windows that came with his PC (which had Win98 pre-installed).

Allegedy.

[quote="Valentin"]Just the best news of the week ! 😃[/quote]

Of the week? :-? I suppose you wanted to say "The best news of the year 2002" 😃

Here's Microsoft's respons to the Sendo move:

I wanted to give you some information on to why they pulled their agreement
with us.
Microsoft does not view Sendo's decision to take Series 60 as big setback
for the platform, which as you know just launched on the Orange network in
Europe. In a nascent market, where handset manufacturers are making a range
of investments in software, natural selection will occur. The best software
will win and ultimately, the customer (both user and mobile operator) is the
winner.

From a Smartphone software product point, to date Orange is shipping the
Microsoft-powered SPV Smartphone in volume to markets across Europe and
Samsung, 3rd largest handset manufacturer, has unveiled its Smartphone
handset and is making great progress towards availability as is Compal. We
feel confident in our hardware partners and our strong relationships and
commitments from mobile operators around the world and most of all our
software.

Additionally, with recent new OEM commitments from leading manufactures
(i.e. Dell, Samsung, Siemens) within the last month, the Pocket PC platform
is experiencing positive growth and industry momentum.

Once I have more information, I will let you know, and answer the questions
that people have asked, but this is all that I know at the moment.

Cheers!
Nicole

--
Nicole Papineau
Community Program Manager - Mobile Devices
Microsoft

[quote="invaders"]
Microsoft does not view Sendo's decision to take Series 60 as big setback
for the platform, which as you know just launched on the Orange network in
Europe. In a nascent market, where handset manufacturers are making a range
of investments in software, natural selection will occur. The best software
will win and ultimately, the customer (both user and mobile operator) is the
winner.[/quote]

Nice to see they are prepared for Nokia to beat them in this market.

[quote="invaders"]Here's Microsoft's respons to the Sendo move:
The best software will win and ultimately, the customer (both user and mobile operator) is the winner. [/quote]

And I know what OS it'll be :angel:

BTW, it'd be cool to ask Nicole: Will you fly on a plane controlled by MS Windows? :black: :black: