9500i or 9500e?

9500e will be the 9500 locked to Orange. Goodness knows why they suffix phones with an e though.

As far as the 9500i is concerned, I have difficulties seeing what they would put in an "i"-model. Normally it would be a minor hw upgrade, like better display, better camera more memory, WIFI/bluetooth capability or something like that.

But the 9500 has everything already. The only real improvement I can think of would be WCDMA capability, but that would constitute a major upgrade - likely a 9600 and not a 9500i.

As I see it a 9500i would have things like a vibrating alert and a megapixel camera. It might include 801.11g and/or 3G, but these might well be saved for a 9510. In my dreams a 9900 would have all this and a S60 style interface on the outer phone, which could run apps accessing the data used by the communicator apps and even switch from the phone version to the commie versioon seamlessly when opening it up... F'rinstance, while waiting for a train you might want to use one hand only on your IM app, but when you get in, dump your bags and sit down you'd want to open the device up and use the proper keypad.

TomJ wrote:As I see it a 9500i would have things like a vibrating alert

You'll never get that on a Communicator, we are on the 6th/7th generation and it's not been added. A vibrator will need to be too powerful to shake a device of this size effectively.

I know nokia is working on a better battery. 9300i will prolly have something like a better battery and wi-fi AND hopefully a better navi-button + keyboard.

I don't feel that the 9500 has a follower coming (what to change, really)

Joe9500 wrote:I know nokia is working on a better battery. 9300i will prolly have something like a better battery and wi-fi AND hopefully a better navi-button + keyboard.

I don't feel that the 9500 has a follower coming (what to change, really)

3G with two camera's,
Vibrate, doesn't have to be that powerful, just enough so I can feel it in my pocket,
1.3MP External camera,
T9 on the outside,
Faster Processor,
More memory would also be nice,
Better external keypad,

Just a few things I can think of,

Carl,

CJackel492 wrote:I'd really like to see the 9500 gain:

3G with two camera's,
Vibrate, doesn't have to be that powerful, just enough so I can feel it in my pocket,
1.3MP External camera,
T9 on the outside,
Faster Processor,
More memory would also be nice,
Better external keypad,

Just a few things I can think of,

Carl,

It seems to me that it would be best for Nokia to ignore requests for yet more features and yet more complication, and to concentrate on finally sorting out the 9500 as it is, which offers most things needed by most users.

BUT when you read that V5.22 runs like a dog, and creates as many problems as it solves, then it surely underlines the need to refine and sort out the current 9500 and this constant clamour for yet more enhancements is what is causing the problem.

Hone and perfect the current phone, and stop adding in new functionality. Every time Nokia add in something new they create a new point of failure.

I agree - a 9500 to 9500i upgrade should do 4 things only:

1) Make the existing (generally excellent) 9500 work better/more reliably

2) Faster processor (it should be quicker than this all these years after the 9210i)

3) Better battery life if possible

4) Synchronise calendar, email and 1500 contacts reliably with a PC

Tomahawk wrote:2) Faster processor (it should be quicker than this all these years after the 9210i)

3) Better battery life if possible

Unfortunately the two are rather mutually exclusive, although the 9500 is quite fast as it is.

SwitchBlade wrote:Unfortunately the two are rather mutually exclusive, although the 9500 is quite fast as it is.

Yep. I think it is quite sad the way things are evolving that CPU clock speed is the thing that must increase and increase all the time. What about software? I think people should rather put more pressure on the software developers/designers. It is just sad when sloppy software is accepted, and the hardware is the thing that must adapt. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

If you think the commies are slow (I don't), try to put some pressure on Nokia to work harder on improving the firmware in stead.

Raven wrote:Yep. I think it is quite sad the way things are evolving that CPU clock speed is the thing that must increase and increase all the time. What about software? I think people should rather put more pressure on the software developers/designers. It is just sad when sloppy software is accepted, and the hardware is the thing that must adapt. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Another place where Microsoft have people thinking back to front though, as we all know they make subsequent versions more bloated and slow so that people feel the need to buy faster software. I think the G-force demo on the 9210 was a brilliant example of what can be achieved on a low speed processor just by using good code. Unfortunately the 80s are behind us as are a lot of programmer's needs to push back the boundaries of what can be achieved on specific hardware.

CJackel492 wrote:I'd really like to see the 9500 gain:

3G with two camera's,
Vibrate, doesn't have to be that powerful, just enough so I can feel it in my pocket,
1.3MP External camera,
T9 on the outside,
Faster Processor,
More memory would also be nice,
Better external keypad,

Just a few things I can think of,

Carl,

I agree totally. I hope they would be able to reduce the weight of the device, but please not the dimensions, because the keypad should not be shrunk more, the 9300 is unusable for me. I want to have a Communicator with its form factor, not only a smartphone.

If it comes next year, it should also feature at least a 2Mpx camera (just look at SonyEricsson introducing the Sony Cybershot technology to the world of mobile phones /which will soon put an end to the era of compact digital cameras/) as well as Wi-Fi 802.11 g (like the 9300i) not only b. More memory and support for larger MMCs.

BB333 wrote:I want to have a Communicator with its form factor, not only a smartphone.

They are both Communicators (even though Nokia's marketing gurus decided to name the 9300 as a smartphone). The advantage with the 9300 is that the keyboard is easier to use as a 'thumb-board'. While the 9500's keyboard is better suited for use in a more traditional way - typing on a flat surface, but even that isn't very comfortable IMO.

Raven wrote:They are both Communicators (even though Nokia's marketing gurus decided to name the 9300 as a smartphone). The advantage with the 9300 is that the keyboard is easier to use as a 'thumb-board'. While the 9500's keyboard is better suited for use in a more traditional way - typing on a flat surface, but even that isn't very comfortable IMO.

Personally I find the 9500's keyboard perfectly sized as a thumb pad - much smaller and I'b be unhappy. That said, the formfactor of the E70 interests me strangely... If it had Wifi, 3G and a camera it'd be tempting me back to S60 (in the same way the N Series models are).

Raven wrote:They are both Communicators (even though Nokia's marketing gurus decided to name the 9300 as a smartphone). The advantage with the 9300 is that the keyboard is easier to use as a 'thumb-board'. While the 9500's keyboard is better suited for use in a more traditional way - typing on a flat surface, but even that isn't very comfortable IMO.

Personally I find the 9500's keyboard perfectly sized as a thumb pad - much smaller and I'b be unhappy. That said, the formfactor of the E70 interests me stangely... If it had Wifi, 3G and a camera it'd be tempting me back to S60 (in the same way the N Series models are).

Raven wrote:Yep. I think it is quite sad the way things are evolving that CPU clock speed is the thing that must increase and increase all the time. What about software? I think people should rather put more pressure on the software developers/designers. It is just sad when sloppy software is accepted, and the hardware is the thing that must adapt. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

If you think the commies are slow (I don't), try to put some pressure on Nokia to work harder on improving the firmware in stead.

SwitchBlade wrote:Another place where Microsoft have people thinking back to front though, as we all know they make subsequent versions more bloated and slow so that people feel the need to buy faster software. I think the G-force demo on the 9210 was a brilliant example of what can be achieved on a low speed processor just by using good code. Unfortunately the 80s are behind us as are a lot of programmer's needs to push back the boundaries of what can be achieved on specific hardware.

It is a very important point what you raise, I have just read a similar view on

http://www.aikon.ch/serie80/index.htm

(there is a translation tool into English, the site is a Swiss German one)

They claim that with Wikipaedia and a 3rd party calendar can clearly demonstrate the speed of the current processor and blaim Nokia of not putting enough money into the development of its own softwares on the device, such as Calendar, Contacts Database/Telephone Directory and the Web-Browser which are mostly responsible for the Communicator being slow; they say that Nokia had higher sales expectations and did not want to put more money to lose. They advise Nokia to work on the software improvements and they may see only then sales numbers meeting the expectations.
Just tell Nokia to work more on software.

TomJ wrote:Personally I find the 9500's keyboard perfectly sized as a thumb pad - much smaller and I'b be unhappy.

Well, I would say it definitely isn't 'perfectly' sized for use as a thumb-board for most people because of the length of the keyboard. When you hold it between your hands, your thumbs don't easily rest over the center rows of keys (like the 9300). You have to stretch the thumbs a bit to reach the center keys when you're holding the device in a firm, comfortable grip. I own and have used both devices extensively for months now. The 9500 definitely has a better keyboard in terms of tactile feedback though. And the d-pad is quite good. The 9300's tiny joystick has been somewhat of an annoyance for me from day one.

That said, the formfactor of the E70 interests me stangely... If it had Wifi, 3G and a camera it'd be tempting me back to S60 (in the same way the N Series models are).

I'm quite interested in the new E61 myself. There is something to be said about easy one handed access to all functions I think. Also, the improved S60 interface seems OK. And last but not least, finally a decent sized screen on a S60 device! 😃

Raven wrote:Yep. I think it is quite sad the way things are evolving that CPU clock speed is the thing that must increase and increase all the time. What about software? I think people should rather put more pressure on the software developers/designers. It is just sad when sloppy software is accepted, and the hardware is the thing that must adapt. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

If you think the commies are slow (I don't), try to put some pressure on Nokia to work harder on improving the firmware in stead.

With Documents to Go DataViz has shown that it is possible to go the way you are suggesting. Nokia should incorporate this software to the successor of the 9500. Till then, I am definitely going to buy it.

This is how all who were tempted to switch to Windows Mobile 5.0 (and to MDA, I-Mate) because of poor M$ compatibility will stick to their Nokia Communicator and the open source Symbian. I makes me so happy that I can see a future for Symbian and that even the current processor can cope well with documents and sheets of more than 1MB size. Moreover, comments in Word documents are not displayed and cannot be edited on Mobile Word of WM5, so I can't take my documents with me on the road. And battery life is so superior on the 9500 Communicator, display is also much better, the form factor is excellent and I don't need touchscreen, it would only complicate everything with being more vulnerable. A laptop has no touchscreen either.