I'll just get right to the point, this is a moan about the N70 email client. Why is it soooo bad? Why can't I delete mail, not just the body of the message but the header too? Why are the icons so awful, there is just about 2 pixels different from the read and unread email. I ask it to download only 2k of the message and it downloads the whole thing, I then switch back to headers only and again it downloads the whole message on a mail poll. Every time it wants to connect to Gmail I have to tell it to accept the certificate. What is wrong with Nokia/Symbian, how did they get it so wrong and what can I do about it? Will a firmware upgrade fix this? I am on T-Mo UK F/W 2.0537.1.7
I have tried out Profimail but it keeps bombing on me and it does not integrate with the rest of the phone's messaging, eg I can't take a photo and click to send it directly from an email. Profimail (apart from the crashing) looks about 1000% better than the default email client.
monkeynotes wrote:I'll just get right to the point, this is a moan about the N70 email client. Why is it soooo bad?
I guess tonight I am in a bad mood so I need to moan a bit on Symbian phones.
IMO Symbian phones show what a bad idea is a phone OS that doesn't integrate the standard set of applications such as browsing, messaging and synchronising. It's exactly like Linux; Linux is great but then you have 10 different desktops, 15 different suites of applications, 1437 different stand-alone applications; they don't work together and most of them have low quality (to have high quality in software you must usually have a large installed base).
People today are used to one integrated environment on the desktop (Windows + Office + Outlook or equivalent) and they don't even want to know where the OS finishes and the application begins in term of functionality. Like Linux, Symbian phones offer fragmented environments where the level of functionality is partly the responsibility of the OS partly the responsibility of the awful applications usually developed by third parties (commissioned by Nokia, SE or Motorola, etc).
This is not going to work!
And please don't say that Symbian is growing and growing because we all know that Symbian is growing as long as Nokia is pushing more S60 phones into the market. If Nokia chooses to push S40 phones again then the Symbian numbers will be quickly very different.
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(I am a Linux user so don't tag me as a MS convert as I am NOT!)
well if Microsoft decides to push tablet xp do you really think that sales would be that huge ?????
Let's be serious, Symbian sold roughly 23 millions while M$ sold only 3,6. And Nokia is pushing S60 only because there is huge demand for these products as they have a very nice multitasking real OS !
S60 applications are very good at what they are doing, even email is nice. Of course if you intend to replace your computer with a S60 it won't do the job, get a S80 instead.
And I bet that S60 with symbian 0S 9.0 and 316x488 screens will do exactly what you require from a notebook, phone, camera, video, music computer of 135g
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bluestar wrote:...S60 applications are very good at what they are doing, even email is nice. Of course if you intend to replace your computer with a S60 it won't do the job, get a S80 instead.
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I don't want to get into who is better MS or Symbian, that is irrelevant since we are talking about Symbian exclusively here. I do disagree that the s60 email is "nice" there is nothing nice about it, the points I raised in the original post still stand. You can't even fully delete an email for goodness sake, and something as simple as displaying read and unread email differently is also not resolved.
The email on my N70 is without a shadow of a doubt the worst feature on the whole phone.
You can fully delete an email. When you delete it, you're asked whether you want to delete the copy on the phone only or also on the server. If you choose to delete also it on the server, it is marked deleted on the phone, and at the next connection it gets removed from the phone and server. At least that's how it works on my phone.
N/A wrote:You can fully delete an email. When you delete it, you're asked whether you want to delete the copy on the phone only or also on the server. If you choose to delete also it on the server, it is marked deleted on the phone, and at the next connection it gets removed from the phone and server. At least that's how it works on my phone.
Often I don't want to delete the message on the server, Gmail lets me store huge amounts of email -- on my phone I just want to keep what is essential information.
Use an external program. Like Profimail. It can also do html and alot more.
fdxd wrote:Use an external program. Like Profimail. It can also do html and alot more.
Dooh, as I already said I like Profimail but it keeps bombing out and it does not integrate with any of the "send via email" applications on the phone, such as the camera. We should not have to work round such an essential application, how did Nokia/Symbian get it so wrong?
Thanks for the topic,
that is the main disadvantage to for a symbian user. They call it smartphone, but there is no reasonable email client, even the calender is very poor!
I gonna buy a Qtek 8310 Smartphone nearly the same size windows mobile 2005, wifi end so on...AND I can syn with my exchange server!
Nokia already licencied the ActiveSync technology, why do they don't use it?
I really cannot understand that. btw. I intented to buy the n80,
but there is nothing mentioned about ActiveSync? The only the E61 includes ActiveSync, but i don not like the size, the E60 does not include ActiveSync (there is nothing mentioned at the website, except the E61).
Anyway, maybe they will wait until windows mobile will have a market share of 80 percent.
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I have a windows mobile device, if the audio and camera were better I would probably ditch the Nokia. Although win-mo is not totally solid, it crashes fairly often, the applications are much better than Nokia's bunch. However, this is not about comparing the two systems, this forum is about Symbian.
monkeynotes wrote:Often I don't want to delete the message on the server, Gmail lets me store huge amounts of email -- on my phone I just want to keep what is essential information.
Just a quick point - I also hook my n70 to my gmail account - and to get rid of the emails from my phone I delete from the phone AND the server. This gets rid of the messages on the phone - but still seems to keep the messages in my gmail account.
Don't know if that helps or not.
I agree the email client is not the best - but it is useable..