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Navicore Personal UK & Ireland 2006/01 GPS

27 replies · 6,641 views · Started 24 August 2006

After upgrading my N80's firmware last weekend, I bought myself Navicore's GPS software last night as a download option. It's installed and up and running now, although only briefly tested so far. I hope to test further over the weekend, but thought I'd post now in case anyone here has questions on the software.

I decided to go with an on-board system rather than Wayfinder Navigator 6 for a number of reasons:
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[*]GPRS Costs and Signal strength - I don't travel a great deal but it always seems to be to odd places
[*]On board maps - the software can be used without GPS for finding your way around.
[*]Free updated Traffic Info - Wayfinder wanted a ~25 Euro annual subscription for this. Only costs for Navicore are GPRS updates
[*]Free updated Speed Camera POIs - Wayfinder wanted a ~35 Euro annual subscription for this. Only costs for Navicore are GPRS updates
[*]Transferable licence - Must have requirement for me as I upgrade phones annually
[*]Minimal voice prompts - reviews suggested Navicore had kept the blabbing to a minimum. I use a Bluetooth MP3 CD Head unit in the car that acts as a handsfree. Too many voice prompts = too little music for me.
[*]Software only download package available - I already had a GPS receiver and a memory card. Less in the package = better pricing.
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So far I'm pretty happy with my purchase - so happy that I've just put my venerable TomTom Go Classic up for auction on eBay (which should leave me with some money in my pocket after paying for Navicore 😊).

Anyways I'll test more as soon as I can and post any more info I have. Post any questions you have and I'll answer them here as soon as I can.

VJ_UK wrote:I've done some digging around and found the following information.

Navicore Hompage - http://www.navicoretech.com
Buy Navicore - https://shop.navicoretech.com/
Review from Rafe - http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/4052_Navicore_GPS_Navigator_for_S60.php

Price (for the UK version)
Download - 69 EUR - £49 ish
CD - 79 EUR - £56 ish
Memory card - 89 EUR - £63 ish

Price for the UK/Ireland download is actually 149 EUR ~101GBP at yesterday's exchange rates. The 69EUR is the 2006/01 upgrade price.
Whilst Rafe's review was what encouraged me to choose the product, IMHO nothing beats a little Q & A with someone who is currently using it.

I'm thinking of buying this too, although I'll probably have a play with Nav4All first and see what that's like when my GPSlim arrives.

One thing that slightly puts me off is the lack of availability of USA maps for Navicore. Doesn't TomTom also use Navtech maps? I wonder if it's possible to use their maps with this product... Then again, no doubt the file format will be different.

No USA Maps listed at present for Navicore - it might be worth dropping their customer support a line to see if they have anything planned. I got some fairly swift responses from them for my enquiries.

Hi Taz, and thanx for all your help to, also ive been looking at the Navicore on thier website, looks pretty good untill tomtom bring out a series 3rd edition, anyway so the software they are selling ie Navicore personal 2006, is that the one i need if i have already got a gps reciever and a big anough memory card, if it is then its very good for 69 euros - about 49pds , But But But wish they would take a debit card as went to payment section and they only take 2 types of card !!! so if you can find anywhere else id appreciate it, also looked at mobile fun but they selling as a package with gps �129 pds !! Bit steep as i only want the software, let me no if you find anywhere else and also how you get on with it..

Again many thanx from Brian

The full version is 149 Euros (Download version, software + maps only).
The upgrade version is 69 Euros.

Haven't seen it on sale anywhere else I'm afraid. Still early days with the software, but I'm planning on a 400 mile round trip on Saturday with a couple of stops / detours. Hopefully that'll give the routing, traffic info and speed camera POIs a good workout and give me enough info to report back.

Will be interested to hear how you get on with this. I am currently reliant upon mobile google maps when walking around a strange area. Although google maps is good, it's not detailed enough and can't link (I don't think) to a GPS receiver.

Would be nice to get a suitably small GPS receiver and something like Navicore for those times when I find myself lost and trying to find the nearest tube station or taxi rank 😊

Hi, ive just done a google search for Navicore 2006 and the cheapest i can find is �129pds including vat at www.mobilefun.co.uk

02 Mobile shope are selling it for �169pds !!!! So think the 1st option is the best, may be it may come down in price but cant see that happening for a while, lets hope tomtom mobile release a mobile for symbian 3rd series for our N80, And looking at wayfinder i still think Navicore is the better option as you dont have to pay for downloads via gprs, and Navicore actually looks good as in comparrison to tomtom it has so many features , 7 digit postcode, speed camera locations, poi etc and the text message funtion to let you send other people up to 10 messages of your location, oh well were have to wait and see what the reviews are like..

Brian

Hi, ive just done a google search for Navicore 2006 and the cheapest i can find is �129pds including vat at www.mobilefun.co.uk

02 Mobile shope are selling it for �169pds !!!! So think the 1st option is the best, may be it may come down in price but cant see that happening for a while, lets hope tomtom mobile release a mobile for symbian 3rd series for our N80, And looking at wayfinder i still think Navicore is the better option as you dont have to pay for downloads via gprs, and Navicore actually looks good as in comparrison to tomtom it has so many features , 7 digit postcode, speed camera locations, poi etc and the text message funtion to let you send other people up to 10 messages of your location, oh well were have to wait and see what the reviews are like.

Alsojust to add can somebody tell me if you already have a gps reciever and a 256mb memory card, can you actually just buy the software ie the maps only and will it work, ie just buy the software on disc, for 69 euros , im a little confused on this as some people say you can and then others say you have to already own a copy of navicore before you buy just the software, wow this would be another good option if we can just buy the software if we have gps reciever and 256mb card already, Hope somebody can clear this up, and have to ask because i no you can just buy the software for tomtom etc..

Regards from Brian

readmbr -- as I see it you need the software already to get the EUR69 upgrade price.

For EUR149 you can get the full software with UK maps to download. This is the option I plan to try next week when my Wayfinder demo expires (I'm having trouble getting my phone upgraded but the Holux GPSlim236 seems to work okay on the original Nokia firmware).

I had a look at the version with the whole of Europe and that costs EUR259 on CD and is not available as a download.

CraigBruce wrote:Will be interested to hear how you get on with this. I am currently reliant upon mobile google maps when walking around a strange area. Although google maps is good, it's not detailed enough and can't link (I don't think) to a GPS receiver.

Would be nice to get a suitably small GPS receiver and something like Navicore for those times when I find myself lost and trying to find the nearest tube station or taxi rank 😊

You can use Google Maps with a GPS receiver, but I'd imagine the GPRS usage would be high.
Mobile GMaps (freeware) can be found here: http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?siteId=1&jid=AEF36DF77873F2826887C9A2X4FX537F&platformId=4&N=7&Ntt=google%20earth&productId=191968&R=191968#overview4

I'm taking Navicore for a run tomorrow so I'll try and post some further impressions over the Bank Holiday weekend..

TazUK, does the Navicore traffic-updating use much data? The plan I'm on charges �3 per MB, so that's potentially off-putting. I assume the speed camera updating can be done using Wi-Fi before you set off? Thanks for all the info.

Ok, so today I went to Yorkshire and back with Navicore guiding me in the car - a round trip of about 330 miles. For what it's worth, here's my opinion.

Car Setup:
Bluetooth MP3 CD Player - This handles all sound inputs and outputs for the N80 and is seen by the phone as a bluetooth headset. Sound from the paired phone overrides the stereo output on the front 2 speakers as required.

Car cradle - Just a cheapie air vent clip mounted centrally.

GPS Receiver - Holux GPSSlim 236 SIFIII chipset purchased separately via eBay.

Navicore
A couple of general points before I get into navigating with Navicore.

Installation
The UK & Ireland (TeleAtlas supplied) maps and Navicore itself took up less than 200MB on my 2GB miniSD and installation was a breeze using a memory card reader and the downloaded installer. Initial configuration was very simple.

Route Planning
Basic route planning (from A to B) can be done by entering / finding a destination address, selecting / finding a city, selecting a POI, selecting a pre-entered Favourite, or selecting a contact address from the N80's contacts database. The last option seems a bit flakey, either working properly or failing to find the address completely, but this may be down to the mailing / default address flag on the original Outlook contacts.

Safety Cameras
Everyone's favourite - I know I love 'em 🙄 Navicore's supplied POI database includes a fixed speed camera database updatable over the air (using the Navicore's set default access connection. Updating is done manually through Navicore's services menu.
Navicore can be instructed to sound an audible warning when you are a user-selected distance from a fixed speed camera.
Update subscription is free of charge (excluding data charges). Current database size is 59kb but the database is only downloaded if out of date, so this should keep data costs down.

Traffic Info
This was a new bit of functionality for me (never used the TomTom version), but I've been pretty impressed with it so far. Traffic updates are automatically downloaded at a user-set interval (10, 30 or 60 minutes) over Navicore's set default access connection (manual update can be set if automatic update is not required). I set this to 30 minute intervals and saw an average data transfer of 1 Kb sent and 7kb received each update.

Traffic Information is overlaid on maps and can be used in routing calculations (dependent on settings).
Update subscription is free of charge (excluding data charges).

The Navigation Experience
Once in the car I paired the phone with the stereo, fired up my GPS receiver and then launched Navicore. I then plotted a route to my destination via Favourites (I'd added the address in the previous day). I did discover a bug in the software which I'll be passing to Navicore support once I've finished writing this post (see summary below).

By default Navicore plots the fastest route for a car - this can be altered using quick menu functionality but was ideal for today's trip. Throughout the trip I found that the traffic information and (fixed) speed camera points were spot on.

A minor irritant is that, of 4 possible navigation screen displays (2D, 3D, Safety and Compass) there is no way of configuring a user-preferred default). I did experiment briefly with the 2D and 3D screens, but preferred the Safety screen which gives all the necessary driving information (including scrolling traffic alerts) without the distracting 'eye candy' of the maps; I suspect that I'd be more likely to use the map views when navigating on foot.

Spoken instructions are given as necessary, and Navicore have got this functionality absolutely spot-on IMHO. My setup means that I lose my music as voice prompts are given and I found Wayfinder Navigator's repeated prompts irritating. With Navicore you get less prompts, but they are staged at reasonable intervals (more warning given on motorways etc) and you receive confirmation where appropriate (eg on roundabouts).
Safety camera warnings I found to be a little patchy - this may have more to do with the tone set by Navicore for the warning and my setup, as it's quite short and can get lost in the music (particularly when listening to Orbital 😃)

Using the safety screen and voice prompts I did get lost in Huddersfield town centre a couple of times in heavy traffic, however Navicore rerouted me very quickly using side roads without issue - no "make a U Turn" warnings for me 😊

Pros

  • Free updates of Traffic Information
  • Free update of speed camera database
  • Usable without GPS as map system.
  • Timely voice prompts without overkill.
  • Fast rerouting on driver error.
  • Safety screen navigation option.
  • N80 Battery usage seemed reasonable (3 hour journey from full charge dropped one bar.)

Cons

  • Map updates are chargable.
  • N80 screen means 2D and 3D map navigation view are difficult to read when driving (this is probably true of all GPS software for the N80).
  • No configurable warning tone for speed cameras (my personal preference would be for a longer tone).
  • *BUG* Using the slider on the N80 whilst Navicore is calculating a route causes the phone to freeze (something to do with the "Lock Keypad" prompt I think). This can only be fixed by pulling the battery on the N80 leaving for several minutes and rebooting the phone (sometimes repeatedly).

Overall
I bought the N80 with the aim of convergence. I've tired of carrying an MP3 player, a PDA and a phone around with chargers and accessories. With this in mind I'm very pleased with my purchase of Navicore, as I've been able to put my TomTom Go up on eBay and make my N80 a truly multifunctional device.

Anyways I hope this is all of some use to people - I'll keep checking this thread if anyone has any particular questions. I'm off to email Navicore Tech Support now with the bug info.

firstrest wrote:TazUK, does the Navicore traffic-updating use much data? The plan I'm on charges £3 per MB, so that's potentially off-putting. I assume the speed camera updating can be done using Wi-Fi before you set off? Thanks for all the info.

Hiya -

Traffic info updates seemed pretty reasonable - I've covered them in my post above but FYI I believe updating could be done (for Traffic and Speed cameras) before leaving by changing Navicore's default access connection as required.

*EDIT* Ooops - just actually checked this, and WiFi access points are excluded from the list of selectable connections..

HTH

Thanks - very helpful review and it seems to beat the other options around in terms of functionality for the price.Goes top of my list now ahead of Tomtom (even though Tomtom isn't available yet for N80) :icon14:

Thanks TazUK, an excellent review. I'm probably going to buy Navicore next week as I'm impatient waiting for TomTom and although Wayfinder is quite good I'm not keen on downloading the maps and I prefer the look of Navicore's map view.

One small question: does Navicore allow you to select a WiFi access point? (For some reason Wayfinder does not.)

Cheers.

Telumehtar wrote:One small question: does Navicore allow you to select a WiFi access point? (For some reason Wayfinder does not.)

Hmm. Rather disappointingly it doesn't - I've just tested the access point selection this morning at home. It offers only the existing configured access points excluding WiFi, or an "Automatic" option.
I tried selecting "Automatic" and then updated the traffic info database. This launched the N80's normal "Select access point" request, but with WiFi access excluded.

Therefore my assumption last night was wrong. Navicore does NOT permit use of a WiFi access point at this time.

TazUk wrote:*EDIT* Ooops - just actually checked this, and WiFi access points are excluded from the list of selectable connections..

HTH

The same for a couple of programs of programs I use and a real pain in the proverbial. Can't figure out why it should be so, as the AP is listed and works for others. Hey ho. 😡

chrsfrwll wrote:The same for a couple of programs of programs I use and a real pain in the proverbial. Can't figure out why it should be so, as the AP is listed and works for others. Hey ho. 😡

The Navicore version for N80 is in fact a generic Symbian 3rd edition and so is probably not coded to cater for WiFi capabilities..

Thanks for the review TazUK. I've noticed that a lot of people on this board seem to rate Tom Tom highly. Is there any reason for getting Tom Tom Navigator 6 over Navicore, given that TT charge for Traffic and speed camera updates? Is TT any better?

firstrest wrote:Thanks for the review TazUK. I've noticed that a lot of people on this board seem to rate Tom Tom highly. Is there any reason for getting Tom Tom Navigator 6 over Navicore, given that TT charge for Traffic and speed camera updates? Is TT any better?

TomTom generally are highly rated as a brand - I've just sold my old TomTom Go Classic on eBay for a good lump of cash - more than Navicore cost me 😊 in fact, and more than some new generation GPS systems lol.

Having used a standalone TomTom GPS for a couple of years, and assuming the mobile interface follows the same approach and style, I can see why TomTom would be highly rated. However I think charging for traffic info and speed cameras (through PocketGPSWorld, a third party) detracts from them as a brand.

In the old days of navigating by map / web printout you were stuck to the one route unless you were prepared to navigate on the fly - to me the whole point of GPS is the ability to change your route dynamically based on traffic / other conditions. Accordingly I think it a bit out of order to charge for traffic updates etc, so went with Navicore. The other clincher for me was too many audio prompts wind me up :tongue:

OK, I think I'm just about sold on the Navicore. Just one thing I could't find on their web site. Can you enter the destination as a post-code, something I believe you can do on the Tom Tom?

firstrest wrote:OK, I think I'm just about sold on the Navicore. Just one thing I could't find on their web site. Can you enter the destination as a post-code, something I believe you can do on the Tom Tom?

Yes you can - there is a find function for route planning that uses Postcode, Town or Address combinations, imports addresses from a phone contact, etc..

If anyone is interested, I will be selling my version of Navicore personal 2006 UK software only that works on the N80. I bought it on an inpulse and cannot really justify the cost for the little amount of driving I do.

It cost me 149EUR and is the Uk map only. This the software only, so you will need your own GPS device and at least a 256mb card.

I can either put the software on my website for you to download, or I can mail it on cd.

Send me a private message with your offers

I've lost the licence code. Now I got a replacement sim from orange. It asks me now for the code what should I do ?

You should be able to get your license code by logging in to the Navicore site. You're can change your phone OR your SIM on the same license code. If you change both you have to call Navicore to get a new license code.