What's the point in taking VGA video if you can't work with it?

It's worth noting that I've also tried using VideoStudio 10 (app crashes when you try to import N93 MP4), the latest Nero suite (app says it can't import these files) and TMPG DVD Author (app won't even import MP4). Sigh.

A workaround for simple projects is to use Quicktime Pro and copy and paste, exporting to AVI with a common codec at the end and then using this AVI in a DVD-authoring package.

What about other N93 owners out there? Rafe?

Steve

Yes, the specs on the Adobe page are way off.

Importing N93 files worked just fine for me in a 1GB RAM machine. Premier Elements took only a couple of seconds to import each video.

However, playback in the preview window was very jerky (1-2 frames per second). The workaround is to use command "Timeline -> Render work area", or simply hit the ENTER key.

Rendering produces intermediate files that Adobe can display more easily. After rendering, preview is smooth and all frames are shown. However, the rendering operation can take several minutes, so be patient.

Julio

So, having already transcoded each of my 200 or so N93 video clips once, into CFA files, it's expecting me to transcode/render them again, into yet another internal format, one by one, taking 10 minutes each time, *manually*, just to be able to play them at a speed approaching what Adobe's own free player can do with the native MP4 files, more or less instantaneously?

Adobe deserve hanging from the nearest yard arm for this appalling video application and Nokia deserve a severe slap on the wrist for selecting it.

Steve

I was surprised too by the comments.

I downloaded the video of a girl playing (rboutzoom.mp4) from the review. Importing into Premiere took about 4 seconds on my 1.8 Ghz IBM T42P laptop - I do have 2 Gb of RAM though.

Rendering the clip for smooth playback is another story - about 5 minutes for the 26 second clip..

I still find Premiere Elements superior to Nero and Ulead and anything else I have tried. Video Editing is best done with an accelerator card - I have Premiere 6.5 with a Matrox accelerator/capture card on my desktop - that system is optimized for Mpeg2 editing and works fast and well.

I guess we need a new generation of Mpeg4 accelerator cards/chips for this kind of work.

Try stepping forward ONE frame at a time on this video btw - it looks very strange, every 2-4 frames, there are one or more frames that looks like it was exposed twice with a fraction of a second between, giving a ghost image of moving objects. It makes me even more suspicious that there are some kind of interpolation going on - not a true 30 fps capture...

Regards
Michael

I agree it's workable for a single clip. But back in the real world (in my case a week's holiday with the family), you'll end up with 30 to 50 N93 clips, ranging from a few seconds to a few minutes in length. Now try working with that lot and editing them down/together. A VERY different proposition.

Steve

mmmm.... gentlemen.... maybe time to switch to MacOSX and its ilife applications 😊
You should have no problems editing files with iDVD and imovie ....

My experience... I edit Videos since 2002, with my only DSC / Video - Fuji M603 - the greatest...
So, on 2002, almost anybody know what to do with the AVI files that come out of FUJI. I try, and try, different softwares.
TMPeg Encoder, was the selection, untill, I found ULEAD Video Studio 8 (today it goes on 10). The encoder (not the interface, that is very confuse) engine of ULEAD is superior to others, and I had used several (memory: TMPeg, Adobe, Magix, Mainconcept, Nero Vision...others).
Fuji produces AVI files, of MotionJPEG, that all the programs I tested work well - 640x480-30fps.
Then, cames N70, with MPEG4, and 352x288-15fps, wich meens, for slow images is enouth, if N70 had good capture image, wich is the case. So I found my self, to do most of my videos with N70... is always with me...
Now, the main question - how to do the encoder for DVD?
Well, with Ulead... Ulead need a MPEG4 plugin to work. Some way, I install a lot of Codec Packs, and Ulead grasped one of them, and works.
So with n70 and now, with N73 (even better) I do videos, and do the encoder process with ULEAD.
The process is not fast, but is far better then with Adobe, that is a heavy program, confuse, and produces outputs of quality lower then ULEAD.
As I started to say, is my experience...

Which would all be well and good, but Ulead VideoStudio 10 Plus currently crashes and burns when asked to import N93 MP4 files 8-(

Steve

slitchfield wrote:Which would all be well and good, but Ulead VideoStudio 10 Plus currently crashes and burns when asked to import N93 MP4 files 8-(

Steve

Can always use version 8, because the encoder is the same😎
And 8 is lighter and even more confuse on interface, but the files produced are the same quality, they don�t have changed the encoder engine.:icon14:

By the way, QuickTime is Apple's free media player, not Adobe's. Apple's video editing and authoring mainstream applications are iMovie and iDVD which I haven't used but heard that they were superb apps.

[FX: slaps forehead] Of course, it's Apple! My apologies and this all makes sense now, at least in terms of Quicktime Pro being so good and Premiere Elements being so poor.....

Thanks,
Steve

In fact, even my Quicktime Pro workaround doesn't work properly. After copying and pasting the best bits from all 50 videos into the one master file, I find that any saved MOV or AVI video output has severe problems with audio and video stuttering. 8-(

Which leaves me absolutely nowhere. I have a week's worth of memories from the N93 that I can't do anything with... Grr....

Steve

Yeah, I know I'm replying to myself here, but my current 'best workaround' solution is to preview all clips in Quicktime Player, make a note of file names and in/out times and then use Premiere Elements to construct the actual DVD.... There's got to be a better way, though....

Steve

Steve, buy a mac or a macbook and you'll definitely forget all your problems with video editing ... this is a windows thing... 😃 Oh and by the way you will also forget all your problems with computers .... :redface:

I don't really have any problems with computers - Windows XP is superb for most stuff.... If I switched to a Mac, Adobe s/w would probably run faster, but then most of my peripherals would be problematic and I wouldn't be able to write lots of software articles that I currently write because I wouldn't be using the desktop OS used by the vast majority 8-) [contd in AAS/OS wars forum!]

Steve

Latest showstopper is that Premiere Elements 2.0 can't handle the audio on many clips 8-( Now reported to Nokia as bug:
http://discussions.nokia.co.uk/discussions/board/message?board.id=music&message.id=1707

Steve

What a mess... flagship model - N93:icon13:

bluestar wrote:Steve, buy a mac or a macbook and you'll definitely forget all your problems with video editing ... this is a windows thing... 😃 Oh and by the way you will also forget all your problems with computers .... :redface:

I am about to get a MacBook. Sure hope I'll be able to edit my N93 videos on it.

BTW, has anybody had any luck editing videos with the N93's built-in editor? I always get an 'out of memory' error message, even for small videos.

IF YOU DOWNLOAD imtoo.com/mpeg-encoder.html[/url] WHICH IS AN ENCODER THEN USE THE SERIAL NUMBER
Name: Bokiv
Serial: E2DB-63F6-4816-378D-553E-282F-8172-2BD9

1.DOWNLOAD THE MP4 OFF YOUR N93 TO THE COMPUTER
2.IN THE ENCODER OPEN UP THE MP4 YOU'VE JUST DOWNLOADED OFF THE COMPUTER.
3.ENCODE TO WMV FROM THE PULL DOWN MENU (KEEP CHECKING IT IS CONVERTING TO WMV BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT CHANGES)
4.OPEN UP THE ADOBE PREMIERE ELEMENTS
5.ADD THE FILE WHICH IS NOW A WMV
6.EDIT AS YOU WISH
7.THEN EXPORT AS YOU WISH!

BINGO!!!!!

PLEASE LET ME KNOW HOW YOU GET ON.

That imTOO fix seems to work a treat ... I am still in shock that the video phone I have just paid a bundle for seems to be unusable out of the box. I mean, unless you're a creative genius, what video doesn't need editing ? And, it's ok to look at videos on the display for a few minutes, but I didn't actually think that I'd be restricted to viewing them like that.

Note: My playback of the mp4 files was totally non existent. It may have had something to do with DivX installation and the Radeon graphics card on my Toshiba Satellite laptop, but since trying to update the driver doesn't work (system restore needed ...), I have to live with the bundled driver.

Hopefully now I can get some editing done. On a positive note, the quality of the videos, now that I can finally play around with them, is perfectly acceptable. With any luck, I'll be able to string together something semi decent using that Adobe Premiere Elements bundled program - although I'll miss the storyboard section of Windows Movie Maker ...