Hello.
Frequent visitor here for a long time,just registered. 😊
I'm about to buy e61i when it becomes available here in Greece. However I have a question. Is it technically possible for Nokia to bring us an update to FP1, just like any typical firmware update? FP1 is here. Will Nokia do this?
Technically it might be possible (i.e. Nokia could run FP1 on the E61i hardware), however its not going to happen in actuality. The costs involved in testing etc would be prohibitive.
Thanks for the answer. It is a bit sad. I had my hopes up when i read that nokia will bring FP1's advanced web browser as an update soon. I just want 2 things - the advanced alarm and the automatic keylock. As an E-series phone I thought it needs those things (even aftermarket alarms cant ring when the phone is turned off).
Both of these items are at least available as extra applications, with the automatic keylock being free. I know it's not perfect, but it is a viable solution.
I know about the free keylock app. No problem in using that.
However I don't think there is an alarm app (at least I haven't found one) that functions with the phone turned off. So, in order to have multiple alarms, I have to leave the phone constantly on. And that is exactly what I want to avoid.
Ah.... Well I don't think that will ever come about in an app. From a developers point of view obviously your apps dont run whilst the phoen is off, an di don't know if you can alter the state of the built in alarm from the api's.
I'd recommend a travel alarm, or a cheap multi-alarm wrist-watch.
Maybe I'll just set the alarm every night manually , although I'll surely try some alarm apps. Just a minor problem of a great product (at least for my needs).
Thanks
...Waiting for the phone to be available...
I've an E61 and whilst the alarm is a very common problem, and a seemingly obvious omission, it's not the trickiest thing setting it each night. It's definately not reason enough not to buy it!
spudtheimpaler wrote:... It's definately not reason enough not to buy it!
I know.
That's why I'm waiting for the e61i to become available here. Hope by the end of the month I'll be a proud owner of a great phone! 😊
...A related question... Does anybody know what is the difference between s60 3rd ed. 9.1a and regular 9.1?
Taken from Jukka Ekland on This site
"9.1a refers to S60rd Edition (non-FP1). Symbian 9.2 is in FP1, 9.3 in FP2 and so on."
It also suggests that 9.1, 9.1a are interchangable. Although I can't verify the claims, they are on an s60 site and haven't been discredited there.
Rafe wrote:Technically it might be possible (i.e. Nokia could run FP1 on the E61i hardware), however its not going to happen in actuality. The costs involved in testing etc would be prohibitive.I would have thought that with Nokia releasing a new phone every week or so, that they would have plenty of resources to release an update now and then?
The issue is not about not having resources to assign to re-releasing a new S60 release to old hardware, or it not being technically possible.
The question is: Is it more valuable for a company to keep those resources on developing new devices, when such upgrades will be adopted only by a subset of users, which you might make slightly happier, but with no direct or quite delayed returns on the investment (where launching and selling a new devices with the updated features lead to more concrete and obvious income for a company which is in the business of making and selling devices)?
Note also that Symbian versions and S60 versions are not really decoupled/separate. A new S60 release is very intimately tied to the underlying Symbian version that it is based on. It is not just an application/UI layer floating above it indepdendently. Same with the Symbian/UIQ combination.
Furthermore, a specific Symbian OS version has some very specific hardware-specific tie-ins as the, so called, "base porting" (adaptation) of a Symbian version to a specific hardware platform is done.
So, a mobile phone based on specific hardware and specific Symbian/S60 versions are a tightly integrated, embedded package. These devices are not PCs yet as far as hardware indepdence and OS decoupling goes.
In addition, many of the S60 apps are quite tightly integrated/inter-dependent of the underlying Symbian servers/engines for, e.g., messaging or calendar data.
I have read (here and s60.com) references to that the S60 3rd Ed. FP1 version of the web browser might become available as a separately installable version for S60 3rd Ed. pre-FP1 devices.
N/A wrote:
The question is: Is it more valuable for a company to keep those resources on developing new devices, when such upgrades will be adopted only by a subset of users, which you might make slightly happier, but with no direct or quite delayed returns on the investment (where launching and selling a new devices with the updated features lead to more concrete and obvious income for a company which is in the business of making and selling devices)?
You have a point there.
But, don't you think Nokia would gain much more satisfaction and loyalty if an update to FP1 (or 2 or...) became available? Not for all it's phones. Just for some relatively new and high priced (N93i, E61i, E65). Users would feel Nokia doesn't just want their money, but looks after them. Whouldn't this be a long-term profit?