Gpsmidlands Support And Apology

FFS not this again.

You know when I saw the title I thought GPSM was apologising to the forum members for leading them along! But no, course not.

Most people have already stated that if the patch appears, then they will apologise.

And your the member that sent me this PM:

tomtom patch

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what is going on with this stuff. i spoke to them yesterday. they say that they have a patch approval and that it will be avail for download on monday. you will have to donate through paypal to charity to download it. they didnt give an indication as to how mucj tho

And I replied and asked you how you had been in contact with them, as well as how were they going to arrange it. And not in any circumstances, to pay money to a link they setup (paypal for example). I also find it difficult to beleive, as theres nothing on the website about it. GPSM could have come back with details of the company, instead the guy used lots of alternate IDs (granted not all of them were him) to insult and lie to users.

Why didnt you reply?

I also asked you what made you beleive them, i.e. had you seen proof for yourself. Because either your very nieve, or you know something most dont. If you could share it, maybe we could beleive too. Oh, and you sent that PM on 22/08 at 9.30 PM.

[SIZE="4"][SIZE="5"]So they have gone past another deadline set by themselves. This is after we were told it had been submitted to nokia for final approval. How many more lies do there have to be for people not to trust them? [/SIZE][/SIZE]

So people have no reason to beleive anything GPSM says until some respect/trust is gotten back.

Now unless GPSM can prove they have a patch, people opinions will remain the same and there is no point in discussing this topic at all.

Craig Law

I agree with you.

The hysteria which was indicated in the initial thread and woe betide anyone who opposed these idiots got a right kicking.

I think the whole thing proved what a nation of whingers we really are.

Even if the patch never materialises I still think the abuse was very degrading to the forum

So what are you wanting exactly? An apology from the forum members to GPSM?

While you are right in a very few instances where some were treated badly, its been proven that many of the new IDs in support of GPSM were created by the sole person at GPSM himself.

If you want someone to blame, its GPSM as they lied to people personally, as well as the whole forum.

There continues to be no proof, and regardless of if the patch exists or not, GPSM has told many lies.

So I say again, for GPSM to regain any sort of trust (which was given by many and abused) there needs to be proof.

If your going to defend GPSM, you need something to defend them with.

Now unless you have evidence of the patch, please stop posting about this subject. It will only decend into a flamewar. I see no point in this and will contact Rafe again who will shutdown the thread and no doubt not be pleased at this continued rubbish on the forum.

to bartmankekul:

This is exactly what i was talking about. this sort of comment is the whole reason as to why i started this thread.
if rafe wants to shutdown the tread then that is entirely up to him but i suggest thast he lkets it continue to prove to other members of this forum that he does not share the beliefs of the shallow people who are posting comments on this site degrading other members and gpsm.

as for your comment as to why i didnt reply, i noticed some of the other comments you have posted and realised that you were on of the peoplr that have been slating gpsm.

the whole point of this thread is to show gpsm that this forum is not full of people that are just gonna shoot you down when you come up with an idea or solution to peoples problem but instead there are some people that will support you whether you succeed or fail. after all they are only tring to make our lives easier.

if you dont want to discuiss the topic anymore then i suggest that you just dont visit the thread anymore. simple as that.

i am not trying to put anyone down or insult anyone but it is clearly a case of bullying here. somebody has something that all the others want so they try to beat the other person down into submission.

guess what society doesnt agree with that and niether do i.

i am purely backing up the victim here.

also why are people slating gpsm for trying when tomtom should hold the final responsibility.

gpsm try and tomtom get an easy life. after all this is what is being developed here not a gpsm software patch. they are not benifiting from this, it is tomtom who would be.

though this never really has crossed peoples minds that often.

*long, weary sigh*

I'll make it simple. If you can answer all this, then your getting somewhere.

Why do you beleive a person/company who has done the following:

Joined as at least 3 (likely many more) different IDs and insulted people, and pretended to be not affliated with GPSM?

Has missed at least 6 deadlines, set by GPSM themselves?

Has told people various lies on the phone (I myself can vouch for this)?

Has not provided a shred of proof as to this patches existance?

Has high cost revenue gaining phone numbers for its sales, support and information lines?

Now if you can provide answers for that, you might have an argument. I took the guy on trust, dispite things looking dodgy, and he point blank lied to me.

Therefore, I am justified in slating GPSM.

as for your comment as to why i didnt reply, i noticed some of the other comments you have posted and realised that you were on of the peoplr that have been slating gpsm.

Well thats odd, how come you contacted me initially?

The 'victim' is all the people that phoned his phones at cost to themselves and got nothing but lies back.

somebody has something that all the others want so they try to beat the other person down into submission.

No, they dont! Thats been the stance of all of GPSM's alter egos throughout. When will it be understood, its not bullying, people are angry because they beleive it doesnt exist!

Why do you trust a proven lier when say they have something everyone wants but have no proof?

also why are people slating gpsm for trying when tomtom should hold the final responsibility.

gpsm try and tomtom get an easy life. after all this is what is being developed here not a gpsm software patch. they are not benifiting from this, it is tomtom who would be.

though this never really has crossed peoples minds that often.

No, wrong again. And also, this is something GPSM's alter egos kept going on about.

People are slating tomtom, in case you havent noticed. And they are benefitting in this, they have already gained money in revenue calls apart from publicity.

I have to question why this was brought up when the thread was locked and has since been buried. What do you hope to gain from this when theres still no proof, and more lies (from your own information no less, Monday has long gone) from GPSM and still no proof?

If you want to show GPSM that the forum is not full of people that shoot you down when you have an idea (they claimed to have a working patch, thats different), then I suggest GPSM give us some proof.

We are entitled to something from GPSM after they have lied to us.

I'm gonna stand by bartman on this one...

Until we see some kind of proof that they're not just full of lies and after some cheap hits by claiming they have a solution to a well-searched problem - I'm not going to believe a word of it.

And the part about not paying for it but making a 'charitable donation' sounds all to much like a con. If they had a patch that they'd developed then they'd be selling it and not asking for donations - end of story. I'm sure the term 'charitable donation' is a synonym for 'tax dodge' isn't it?

bartmanekul wrote:*long, weary sigh*

I'll make it simple. If you can answer all this, then your getting somewhere.

Why do you beleive a person/company who has done the following:

Joined as at least 3 (likely many more) different IDs and insulted people, and pretended to be not affliated with GPSM?

Yes very odd that all the people sticking up for GPSM have relatively low post counts isn't it....

ok
i dont see as to why they would bother signing up to this forum to slate other people other than to defend the already unacceptable comments posted on this forum about them

yes they have miss so called "deadlines" but have given valid reasons for this e.g it completely removed the licensing from the tomtom app but in my eyes they were indications as to availibility of the patch. for example ps3 was delayed but it was here eventually have faith.

as for the lies i dont know what they have told you - let me know!

the proof is there, if you visit them they will show you it working 100% many people including me have seen this working. if you go there they will show you too. how much more proof would you need then.

and if people used their loaf. the support number is a u.k mobile number so it would come out of their free x net mins or if you dont want to use them you can e-mail them too and this is free. you dont have to ring the sales line they have.

how are they gonna benifit from the extra hits they recieve? who is gonna buy the site from them. if that was the case they would have to re-brand the company. this isn't cheap you know.
and their existing client base will have to look for them again resulting in a loss of customers. it just doesnt make sense to me - sorry.

by the way what were these lies they told you

jman are you saying that i am affiliated with gpsm?

jman200x wrote:Yes very odd that all the people sticking up for GPSM have relatively low post counts isn't it....

how can you expect GPSM to release anything to you (patch) after all the slagging they received ???

do you blame them for removing any mention of the patch from their website ? I say not...

perfectly said monica thank you

craig law wrote:ok
i dont see as to why they would bother signing up to this forum to slate other people other than to defend the already unacceptable comments posted on this forum about them

They did. The domain whois has an email address with 'XDAMAN'. Hence XDAMAN was GPSM, whom insulted and told lies. If you dont beleive this then fine, but too much of a coincidence.

yes they have miss so called "deadlines" but have given valid reasons for this e.g it completely removed the licensing from the tomtom app but in my eyes they were indications as to availibility of the patch. for example ps3 was delayed but it was here eventually have faith.

This has been over so many times, and yet again your sounding like one of his alteregos in comparing it to a large corperation. At least 6 deadlines missed? Ive given all the info on the other thread, Im not repeating myself. Basically, you are wrong in that respect. If you want to prove otherwise, counter my points about this from the other thread.

as for the lies i dont know what they have told you - let me know!

the proof is there, if you visit them they will show you it working 100% many people including me have seen this working. if you go there they will show you too. how much more proof would you need then.

Visit them where?? What address, the residential one?? Tell me, which address did you visit?

and if people used their loaf. the support number is a u.k mobile number so it would come out of their free x net mins or if you dont want to use them you can e-mail them too and this is free. you dont have to ring the sales line they have.

Wrong

Its NOT free, and its NOT a mobile number. Its a redirection number which leads to I dont know what. The sales line which brings him revenue?

how are they gonna benifit from the extra hits they recieve? who is gonna buy the site from them. if that was the case they would have to re-brand the company. this isn't cheap you know.
and their existing client base will have to look for them again resulting in a loss of customers. it just doesnt make sense to me - sorry.

Extra hits increases the chance of someone seeing something they need. Afterall, the site is all about GPS which is what people were after in the first place. And not to mention queries by phone which make revenue for the guy.

Im not going to say your affiliated with GPSM, because it doesnt matter either way.

If you have seen proof thats great, at least you can beleive. But remember that none of us have, and have been told lies.

So why cant this guy prove it to us by giving a restricted version to Rafe or another website for trial?

Monica - Can you tell us what you have seen to make you beleive it?

how can you expect GPSM to release anything to you (patch) after all the slagging they received ???

Errr, I do. They would be incredibly small minded and stupid not to somehow prove it because of a thread on a forum. And they dont have to release it do they? To get their own back they could simply prove it exists. Plenty of ways of doing this without releasing it.

And if it was me - well, Id keep in mind that its one forum, and a few people doubting. And if I was in the same situation, residential company address, fake forum IDs, insulting etc, I would certainly accept such critisim.

And Id release the patch. Because I know that the positive comments would be far better than the continued disbelief of people if I never release the patch.

Either way, what exactly is stopping them from proving it exists?

basically you are going to try to continue the slating of gpsm on a thread that is supporting them.

you are the perfect example as to why this tread was started as i said before if you dont want to keep goin over "old ground" then dont visit this tread. and as monica said perfectly why would they bother giving anyone anything after the slating that people like yourself have given them on this forum.

basically you are going to try to continue the slating of gpsm on a thread that is supporting them.

Your damn right there, because as I said Ive been lied to. As have all over forum members when he used the alternate ID.

Therefore, GPSM has to prove themselves to be trustworthy. Unless you have proof, I dont think you have any possible chance to do otherwise.

and as monica said perfectly why would they bother giving anyone anything after the slating that people like yourself have given them on this forum.

Errr, see my bit about that above.

And while I dont care if you are GPSM, your showing a large amount of similarities in not answering certain questions.

Such as:

Why did you initially contact me, and only after that read the original thread and decide not to reply?

What address did you visit to see this demonstration?

How have you been in contact with them, email, phone?

Why isnt there anything about this 'charity' thing on the webby?

A few more to answer if you have seen this working....

Did they use your N95 or theirs?

How was it installed, was it just a normal sis file?

sorry didnt see that last bit on my page there.

GPSMidlands
33 Tottenham Crescent
Birmingham
West Midlands
B44 0TA
UNITED KINGDOM

yes this is a residential address but i dont care, a lot of businesses use residential addresses for thier business. this is the place i went to and saw it working. if you want to you can go there to, but you wont because you know that after you do you would have to retract every comment you have made aginst gpsm and apologise.

as i said i have seen it working as have others on this forum.

as for your comment about why i didnt reply.
i told you after i had sent you the original msg i then saw some of your other comments.

i can accept doubters but not plain rude people.

if you doubt it then fine i have no problem with that. what i dont agree with is the rudeness in which people are using and the way they are trying to put their points across.

if you can provide constructive critisism then fine go ahead. but until then you are only bringing the respect of other members on this forum down.

craig law wrote:sorry didnt see that last bit on my page there.

GPSMidlands
33 Tottenham Crescent
Birmingham
West Midlands
B44 0TA
UNITED KINGDOM

yes this is a residential address but i dont care, a lot of businesses use residential addresses for thier business. this is the place i went to and saw it working. if you want to you can go there to, but you wont because you know that after you do you would have to retract every comment you have made aginst gpsm and apologise.

as i said i have seen it working as have others on this forum.

as for your comment about why i didnt reply.
i told you after i had sent you the original msg i then saw some of your other comments.

i can accept doubters but not plain rude people.

if you doubt it then fine i have no problem with that. what i dont agree with is the rudeness in which people are using and the way they are trying to put their points across.

if you can provide constructive critisism then fine go ahead. but until then you are only bringing the respect of other members on this forum down.

So you went to his house? And did you prearrange this visit, or just walk in?

My critisim is right as I keep telling you over and over, we have all been lied to. Why dont you understand that? This is not 02. This is not Sony. This is not any known corperation.
This does not have anyone worthwhile to vouch for them. You dont count, and Im not saying it to be mean, but forum IDs are very easy to create, and as he has done it at least 3 times (with XDAman being one) then you can understand why fairly new members cannot be beleived without proof.

I trusted him once, for no reason other than pure respect, and got lied to.

Now its a bloody long way for me to go, to a house which claims to have a large business that has 'statements' from large corperations (which remain to be found that they exist). In which someone whom has already lied claims to have a patch. And unless I can get word from them that it would be demonstrated on my phone, I wouldnt even consider it.

as for your comment about why i didnt reply.
i told you after i had sent you the original msg i then saw some of your other comments.

So your saying you read the first few pages of the thread, PM'ed me, then read the rest? Doesnt add up tbh.

Instead of me going to all that bother, why doesnt GPSM simply send in a restricted version to Rafe? Im betting you dont have a good answer for that.

And care to answer my other questions?

Actually, sod it all, those points have all been covered to death on a thread already.

If the reason for this thread is to show GPSM that people do support them, then I think it should be locked.

Reason being, is that GPSM has been show on this forum and others to create alteregos and promote his own service/website, most notably by his main email address XDAMAN.

I feel that unless there is proof then this is just promotion to his site. Apologies if your genuine but if thats the case people can email (not phone call) GPSM and say they support them and say they are from this forum.

Theres nothing to stop them from sending a restricted copy to Rafe, the founder of this site to prove it.

But this discussion should be stopped because without proof it will go nowhere. We have evidence of GPSM lying, and theres nothing anywhere to say that hes been telling the truth.

Just to recap for the benefit of those who don't have time to trawl through the other locked thread:

It turned out that the gpsmidlands.com domain is registered to one John Watson (xdaman@o2.co.uk) at a residential address:

http://whois.domaintools.com/gpsmidlands.com

If you put the postcode listed on the website (B33 3BP) into the UK's Royal Mail Address finder it comes up with "John Watson Mobile Data Solution".

They had two quoted references on the "Developer" section of the website, one for "BASW International" (who do not appear to exist) and one from "MDS Solutions" (see above)

Many people rang them on their 0871 prefixed phone number (a number that usually gives part of the revenue to the recipient of the call) to be promised a patch was coming soon, as advertised on their website.

"xdaman", who had only registered with the All About Symbian forum in July, only ever posted on the thread about this and purported to be independent of GPSMidlands but in contact with them and said that the patch was genuine. Various other postings in support of the patch were made from forum newcomers.

Once the above information was found, all mention of the patch disappeared.

IMHO, if you believe that John Watson ([email protected]) amd xdaman are the same, then you have to doubt the existence of the patch and the veracity of other new members who spend most of their time on this forum ignoring the financial losses incurred by those phoning the 0871 number and sticking up for a company with dubious references.

Only if you think that's a coincidence can you begin to believe that there might be a patch.

Mate.. Just ignore this GPSMidlands PEST.. Have you noticed that these posts are made from someone who had JUST joined AAS? You are biting at their lure and it really does not purpose.

Just ask the admins to lock this thread and get on with life.

We all know that if GPSMidlands DOES live up to their expectations, then they would have released their shit by now rather than pulling it off their website.

BTW.. have you ever dealt with someone with Multiple personalities disorder?

as i said if you guys are bored of this subject then just dont visit this thread. at the end of the day people have supporters and people who dont support them. i am merely showing my support for gpsm on this and apologising for the tirade of abuse that has been thrown their way.

i am not insulting you so i dont expect to be insulted myself.

i can assure you that i am in no way affiliated with gpsm.

i am a working class guy who lives in north london and is purely sick and tired of the abuse that is given to the people who try do do things to make our lives better and easier.

as was said before if you dont want to support them then dont visit this thread.

end of story

btw i dont have a multiple personality.

well said Craig

Therefore, GPSM has to prove themselves to be trustworthy

says who ?

Most of this forum. I say again Monica, what makes you beleive them?

Anyway, Ive contacted Rafe again, he will decide what to do with this thread.

I continue to maintain its getting attention for GPSM and trying to alievate some of the lying they did to people. If John wants to change this, he can send the patch to Rafe, or some other way of proving it. Till then, anything about GPSM may as well be dust in the mind.

i think admin should close this thread because it seems they just want publicity weather its good or bad and all those in support of that crap company have either joined this month or when all this patch talk was started.
NO ONE SHOULD SAY SORRY TO THAT LOW LIFE XDAMAN

Bartmanekul

What has a residential address got to do with a business.

I suggest you check allaboutsymbian.com and see where they are registered before making these comments.

You are being completely way over on this one.

And so what if gpsmidlands.co.uk was originally registered to John Wattson.

What does it matter ?

He probably works there and from what I can see you only have to ring to find out.

Have you checked the ipaqrepairs.co.uk

He works from a residential house and he hasnt even got a phone number.

What is all this about ?

Have you a personal grudge against the company because it sure sounds like it me.

And stop accusing everyone of being associated with gpsmidlands if they are asking for some calm.

Is Monica a new user ?

Of course she isnt.

You are turning people off this forum thats for sure

bchliu wrote:Mate.. Just ignore this GPSMidlands PEST.. Have you noticed that these posts are made from someone who had JUST joined AAS? You are biting at their lure and it really does not purpose.

Just ask the admins to lock this thread and get on with life.

We all know that if GPSMidlands DOES live up to their expectations, then they would have released their shit by now rather than pulling it off their website.

BTW.. have you ever dealt with someone with Multiple personalities disorder?

Another knife.

No wonder they have pulled the patch from the website

Why dont you leave it to some positive comments so we might just MIGHT get the patch.

No wonder they have pulled the patch from the website

There wasnt one up there.

Why dont you leave it to some positive comments so we might just MIGHT get the patch.

Doesnt stop them from being able to prove it does it? Anyway, as I said before, all they would do with that is prove they are stupid to withold something from thousands of people because of few people who, quite rightly, disbeleive it exists on the forum.

Ive got to wonder at these people. I really do.

Look, for the last time:

If we hadnt been lied to, there wouldnt be a problem. Do you get it, do you understand that? That is the issue here.

Do you understand that?

Lies

Alternate IDs on the forum (this and others)

At least 6 missed deadlines, all ones given by GPSM themselves.

No attempt to submit any proof.

Was alleged to be finished before they submitted it to their 'clients' and also nokia.

Now list the reasons why we should beleive them please?

bchliu wrote:Mate.. Just ignore this GPSMidlands PEST.. Have you noticed that these posts are made from someone who had JUST joined AAS? You are biting at their lure and it really does not purpose.

Just ask the admins to lock this thread and get on with life.

We all know that if GPSMidlands DOES live up to their expectations, then they would have released their shit by now rather than pulling it off their website.

BTW.. have you ever dealt with someone with Multiple personalities disorder?

bartmanekul wrote:Most of this forum. I say again Monica, what makes you beleive them?

Anyway, Ive contacted Rafe again, he will decide what to do with this thread.

I continue to maintain its getting attention for GPSM and trying to alievate some of the lying they did to people. If John wants to change this, he can send the patch to Rafe, or some other way of proving it. Till then, anything about GPSM may as well be dust in the mind.

Bartmanekul

Do you own this forum ?

The moderator can decide himself.

No one has said the patch is there.

We just want to see if we can get the patch set up and then we will join you but I still wont make it personal like you

According to you we are all gpsmidlands now.

Basilfawlty if you wanna insult me then do it here in the open where everyone can see it not in the pm and as i replied to your pm i am only saying what i have seen so far after many broken promises and fake id,s by i say again crap gpsm.
Also since i only live three miles from them why dont they prove it then maybe i will say something along the lines you want us to say, untill then just shutup and dont pm me.