Symbian Gone completely out of hand

It is possible to hack the OS to grant all capabilities to a given application.

This interesting topic was posted at forums recently where someone claiming to have 'hacked' the N80 using software only (no DIY hardware stuff). People have tried to reproduce the result and have been succesful, but at the moment it looks like it just works for the N80 and E50. It is not been succesful yet using a N95 (possibly because of the different offsets).

Cant allow that on the forum.

I give you an hour before this is deleted 🙄

Discuss it but don't post the method, it contravenes the forum rules

looks too much like hardwork.

3Shirts wrote:I give you an hour before this is deleted 🙄

How little faith ye have.

Sounds like a user who is pee'd off because they cant get their pirated app to run properly because it is unsigned..

If it is a legitimate app, then band together to plea the author to apply for a proper license.. (*Cough* Samir *Cough*)

As I have said before in this forum - if you want to pirate, then do so at another board and learn how to be smart at it (with the zillion how-to's thats floating around) rather than begging people to help you sign every time you want an app..

bchliu wrote:Sounds like a user who is pee'd off because they cant get their pirated app to run properly because it is unsigned..

If it is a legitimate app, then band together to plea the author to apply for a proper license.. (*Cough* Samir *Cough*)

As I have said before in this forum - if you want to pirate, then do so at another board and learn how to be smart at it (with the zillion how-to's thats floating around) rather than begging people to help you sign every time you want an app..

why oh why just because someone complains do you automatically assume piracy, many people have said how good it was that n95 had normal headphone jack plug connection.. WHY so they could use any set of headphones not just Nokia's same applies to software , its my phone I paid for it so should be up to me what I install on it .
An old saying comes to mind here " people who live in a glass house shouldnt throw stones"

but there is still the law, like anything someone had to make it, yes we have more than likely downloaded something like a song or movie or software. doesn't make it legal.

symbian signed don't want the hassle from the big companies like TOMTOM and games makers who want you to buy the stuff.

One other point is why should someone like Samir have to pay to get a license? He's programming damn good apps and releasing them free of charge for those that want to use them.

He's already giving away the fruits of his labour now you want him to pay so you can have it?

Talk about thankless work.........

Sorry about that, didint realize its against the rules. But imo its our device, we should have full rights with what we do with it -.-

not if it breaches copyright laws 😊

cast your mind back to when dvd players first hit the market and sony dvd players didn't support copied disc.
Result people bought other brands. Not because everyone wants to run down to the market to see knock of nigel and his mates because it also stopped honest jo from transferring their own camcorder footage to dvd.
Get real symbian, you cant police everything. Its up to software companies to invest in securing their software, not you. Sooner or later people are going to ditch you..

Don't automatically assume people are pirates, just because they don't want a locked down OS. I may be good on your self esteem showing that you are a better person, but it really isn't very constructive. I have a certificate so I could be just as insensitive to those who now can't use their expensive hardware the way they thought they could, but I am not. It's harming both small developers and users big time, thus it is very negative to our platform.

I have so many small, nice apps, that I use every day, and this is because I have been able to sign them myself. I spend many times more money on original software than most, so please don't use the pirate argument here.

Sorry but the fact is that if you hack your way around a built in anti-piracy measure, you are a pirate! Arrr
Your reasons for doing it may be very noble but it's still a fact.

3Shirts wrote:Sorry but the fact is that if you hack your way around a built in anti-piracy measure, you are a pirate! Arrr
Your reasons for doing it may be very noble but it's still a fact.

So its now a built in anti-piracy measure D'OH theres me thinking and its been said before it's there to protect us dumb arses from getting viruses & installing software that might damage the phone so taking these restrictions off your phone doesnt make you a pirate just someone who wants the right to install what he/she likes on his/her own phone

I just wonder what the outcry would be if microsoft implemented such things ,so every piece of software you wanted to install had to be certified by them

Oh & before I'm flamed I would like to point out that im one of the lucky ones I have a certificate so can and do sign apps for my phone but cannot see the point in such measures

fiddles wrote:

I just wonder what the outcry would be if microsoft implemented such things ,so every piece of software you wanted to install had to be certified by them

With the benefit of hindsight, that's probably what they should have done from the start.

So... those of you who want a completely open model would be happy to see Symbian turned into the laughing stock that Windows has become from the point of view of security? If not, what security model would you implement?

Actually they did on the very first SPV. I know, I got one the moment they hit the streets. They soon came around, though, and found out that they scared the costumers away. So they made it possible to write a certain email address and request an application unlocker. I have no doubt that this saved their brand new smartphone platform from dying an instant death.

As it is now, MS phones are somewhat locked, but advanced users have no issue unlocking them using for example a power tool provided by MS. That solution protects those who are not quite on paar with their phones, while the more advanced enjoy the freedom of an unlocked OS.

I don't think that the S60 platform is in danger of dying, but a lot of programmer and powerusers no doubt will switch to another OS. What a shame...

sbc wrote:...MS phones are somewhat locked, but advanced users have no issue unlocking them using for example a power tool provided by MS...

Fine. Just a bit of hoop-jumping, then. And if Symbian Signed were more efficient, there would probably be a similar amount of hoop-jumping. It seems to me that the security model provided by Symbian Signed is a sound one, just very badly implemented.

fiddles wrote:So its now a built in anti-piracy measure D'OH theres me thinking and its been said before it's there to protect us dumb arses from getting viruses & installing software that might damage the phone so taking these restrictions off your phone doesnt make you a pirate just someone who wants the right to install what he/she likes on his/her own phone

I just wonder what the outcry would be if microsoft implemented such things ,so every piece of software you wanted to install had to be certified by them

Well, pirate isn't the right word, but hacking the firmware image to bypass signing restrictions is almost certainly still against the terms and conditions/license agreement/whatever it's called.

Sure, people say that it's their own phone and they can do whatever they want; but who will get the blame if viruses do start spreading? Symbian of course. If no signing is required, someone can easily write a virus and distribute it around pretend to be a popular application (rotateme for instance). Personally I like to know that anything that can be distributed to the masses had to have been Express or Certified Signed with a traceable Publisher ID.

What really needs to happen is for Symbian to make it easier for small developers to get their applications Express/Certified Signed, so they can be distributed without users having to go to Open Signing themselves, and leave the Open Signing facility for the purpose it was intended to - testing during development phase.

Oh, and Microsoft already does implement something similar - in Winsows Vista 64bit, all device drivers have to be Windows Hardware Quality Labs signed.

so F****in what? i wanna use pirated software on my phone, thats the only reason i bought it. right now im using tomtom, garmin, papyrus, coreplayer and many other expensive software for free. i can do it so i do it. they should protect their software.

if i could not use such software(for free) i would not buy any more symbian phones. i CAN NOT afford to buy all those software.

there are many more people like me. so if symbian lock people from installing pirated software it will eventually die, Q: why?? A: less people will buy symbian phones and
LESS USERES --> less developers --> less applications --> SYMBIAN WILL DIE

you might bring up the arguement that if people use pirate software developers lose out and eventually developers turns somewhere else hence symbian death, BUT look at microsoft platform, how much cracked software is there????

i CAN NOT afford to buy all those software.

Then DONT USE IT.

Those things are not a necessity, they are luxuries. As is the phone. If you want something, pay for it.

It takes time and money to develop software, especially satnav software.

By using cracked versions and not paying your not only making the rest of us pay more, but undermining the product itself. The less people that contribute to it, the less likely developers are going to update and improve it.

So quite frankly, people like you make me agree with the new symbian signed process. And if that means people like you dont buy nokias, all the better I say.

And I bet you money if all the pirates went it wouldnt spell the death of symbian.

I presume you shoplift, and say 'Well they didnt protect it enough.'?

What I heard ->

esiemi wrote:so F****in... bla bla bla rant bla bla best get off to school now...oftware is there????

Actually, using the same argument, if you had your phone nicked it would be fairplay, even if they beat you up to do it.

bartmanekul wrote:Actually, using the same argument, if you had your phone nicked it would be fairplay, even if they beat you up to do it.

Here's hoping :tongue:

esiemi wrote:right now im using tomtom, garmin, papyrus, coreplayer and many other expensive software for free. i can do it so i do it. they should protect their software.

You're a thief, plain and simple. Those same arguments are used by thieves all over the place, "Well they should have locked their door, they were asking for it, etc, etc." I hope you get caught and locked up.

So quite frankly, people like you make me agree with the new symbian signed process. And if that means people like you dont buy nokias, all the better I say.

And I bet you money if all the pirates went it wouldnt spell the death of symbian.

fortunately there are a lot of people like me, all my friends use pirate software, all my family use pirate software too. using pirate software is very popular indeed :icon14: just look at forums that post cracked software see how many visitors and members thay have.

at the end of the day people who are willing to pay for software, WILL and people who dont want to, WONT, meaning if they could not get a aoftware for free they simply wont use such software, so it has no effect on software sales.
you think by locking symbian you are going to get more sales, NO.

if all the pirates leave symbian the number of symbian users will be cut meaning less revenue for symbian, then it cannot compete with MS windows mobile and lose the market. simple as.

neilhoskins wrote:You're a thief, plain and simple. Those same arguments are used by thieves all over the place, "Well they should have locked their door, they were asking for it, etc, etc." I hope you get caught and locked up.

bla bla bla. dont care what you say, i been using cracked MS windows, office, photoshop, visual studio, sql server, flash, Mcafee * list goes on* ........... dont care what people like you say. call me a thieve call me i dont care.

esiemi wrote:fortunately there are a lot of people like me, all my friends use pirate software, all my family use pirate software too. using pirate software is very popular indeed :icon14: just look at forums that post cracked software see how many visitors and members thay have.

at the end of the day people who are willing to pay for software, WILL and people who dont want to, WONT, meaning if they could not get a aoftware for free they simply wont use such software, so it has no effect on software sales.
you think by locking symbian you are going to get more sales, NO.

Just because theres a family of thieves doesnt mean its the majority.

Im not doubting its popular, but theres also large numbers of people that buy software.

And at the end of the day, theres a huge amount of people kidding themselves they would go without if they had to pay.

And yes it DOES have an effect on sales. Also, if a company is aware that theres huge amounts of people using the hacked version, why bother updating it?

Tomtom is a very good example of this. Perhaps one of the most pirated bits of software on symbian, it could be why they have stopped supporting symbian (and windows mobile) versions.

if all the pirates leave symbian the number of symbian users will be cut meaning less revenue for symbian, then it cannot compete with MS windows mobile and lose the market. simple as.

Utter rubbish, and without any proof or evidence whatsoever. Just your theory, which is most likely wrong.

bartmanekul wrote:Actually, using the same argument, if you had your phone nicked it would be fairplay, even if they beat you up to do it.

actually my phone is insured so i get another one.