I have a N95 running the latest 21 firmware and up to a few months ago was keeping a close eye on Tomtom using the internal GPS receiver, however I have since lost touch with what's happening.
Are there any new developments in getting v6 working?
Is v7 available to run on the N95?
Thanks
The search function is there for a reason!
In short - no there is no new developments for TT on symbian. A search will reveal a lot more info on these forums.
Bart's right, do a search and you will dig up a lot of stuff, but I run TomTom Navigator 6 on my N95 with no problems at all and I use an external 44 channel GPS receiver. The internal GPS on the N95 isn't that great to be honest. I do a lot of driving and tested it out and as soon as you got into a built up area (urban jungle) it just gave up, whereas my external device coped admirably, even when stuffed in the glovebox !
TomTom have been deathly quiet regarding any updates for Symbian, etc and there was a recent and allegedly strong rumour that TomTom were going to release their own mobile phone with TT built in. This would be the final nail in the coffin of a Symbian version 😞
I think it's fair to say that we won't be seeing anything for some while, and we almost definitely won't be seeing a patch to get TT working with the internal GPS of the N95.
See http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=397968#397968
and I quote...
Hi allLatest copy of PDA Essentials (pg 100)
"Persistent rumours that TomTom is planning on releasing a GPS enabled phone in response to Garmins nuviphone may not be true, but they haven't ditched the smartphone world completely. After a longer than usual delay updates to the ever popular Navigator Software are in the offing, and is likely to be announced in the coming weeks."
Dare we dream? 🙄
mdavenport wrote:I have a N95 running the latest 21 firmware and up to a few months ago was keeping a close eye on Tomtom using the internal GPS receiver, however I have since lost touch with what's happening.Are there any new developments in getting v6 working?
Is v7 available to run on the N95?
Thanks
Sorry if this is off topic or not what you want to hear, but forget Tomtom - they either don't want to support Symbian (because of high rates of software piracy) or they are concentrating on their dedicated car sat nav units. I was a Symbian TomTom fanatic for about 3 years, but now am firmly a fan of Route 66 v8, which is miles ahead of what TomTom v5 and v6 were offering.
You can purchase the UK&Ireleand CD for about £50 including Licence & P&P at www.66.com
Alternatively, you can find the Route66 installer and maps via Google (free), then license the map you have using the 'Buy License' function over a short GPRS connection for about £40.
Personally I would recommend the CD option, as it's only £10 more, and www.66.com deserves all the support AAS forum users can provide after producing such an excellent product.
lovesign wrote: The internal GPS on the N95 isn't that great to be honest. I do a lot of driving and tested it out and as soon as you got into a built up area (urban jungle) it just gave up, whereas my external device coped admirably, even when stuffed in the glovebox !
I have to disagree with you on that one, I have driven thru narrow high-sided Glasgow streets on a rainy cloudy day and the internal N95 GPs unit has retained a full lock at all times.
Perhaps your windscreen is coated or contains heating elements which are partially blocking the signal? Alternatively, try re-siting your N95 car mount.
dez_borders wrote:I have to disagree with you on that one, I have driven thru narrow high-sided Glasgow streets on a rainy cloudy day and the internal N95 GPs unit has retained a full lock at all times.Perhaps your windscreen is coated or contains heating elements which are partially blocking the signal? Alternatively, try re-siting your N95 car mount.
No point. TomTom is by far and away the best Sat Nav app for my needs and as it cannot use the internal GPS, I won't be using it.
I drive over 20,000 miles a year on business and often have the chance to try different applications. When I tried Maps, using the internal GPS, I experienced long lock times, unreliable mapping and very poor reception in urban jungle. My car doesn't have any elaborate heating elements in the front windscreen, nor is it lucky enough to have tints or coatings over and above the OE fit. I have 2 Bluetooth GPS units, 16 & 44 channel respectively. My other half uses the 16 channel with TomTom on her N73 and I use the 44 channel. Both of these sit directly under the windscreen and lock in within 20 seconds from a cold start and much less on a warm start. The accuracy of these receivers far exceeds the built in unit on the N95 too.
I challenge anyone to a trial around the streets of cities like Birmingham, Manchester & London, to demonstrate which holds the most accurate signal for longest 😊
Whilst I have nothing but admiration for Nokia implementing and driving the GPS enabled phone market, they have a little way to go to catch up with other standalone units. I wonder if they might be waiting for the European backed Galileo GPS project to go fully live, before introducing more powerful units ?
As for TomTom, whilst they remain silent about smartphone development, rumours will fly around and wild speculation will be the order of the day.
dez_borders wrote:forget Tomtom - they either don't want to support Symbian (because of high rates of software piracy) or they are concentrating on their dedicated car sat nav units.
To the best of my knowledge, no official words from TomTom have ever said this.
As a regular TomTom user, I am concerned that they might abandon the platform and I will be left to choose a new application at further cost. However, I am open to suggestions, but having looked at the available options, none come close to TomTom in terms of a complete and intuitive system, IMHO 😊
lovesign wrote:When I tried Maps, using the internal GPS, I experienced long lock times, unreliable mapping and very poor reception in urban jungle. ... I have 2 Bluetooth GPS units, 16 & 44 channel respectively. )
Hi there,
To be fair you said that the internal N95 GPS unit 'isn't that great'. If you based that statement purely on the terrible performance of Nokia's MAPS application, (particulatly the early versions released around the same time as the N95 launch) then you are blaming the hardware for failings in software. With 3rd party apps such as Route66 v8, the N95 internal GPS is perfectly stable and works fine even in poor weather conditions and in heavily built-up areas.
I don't want to carry both an N95 and an external GPS unit. I tried that with the N70/N80 and found it a pain to carry 2 units, but had no choice prior to N95
I fully accept however that your (latest generation) external GPS units will have a more sensitive receiver and therefore retain a lock in poorer weather or terrain than the N95 internal GPS sensitivity can match, but I feel your statement that the N95 GPS is 'isn't that great' is inncccurate and somewhat unfair.
Anyhow, each to their own. 😉
No, its quite possible that the GPS isnt that good. Another case of an N95s GPS results varying again, which I have said before is likely due to the antenna becoming out of place.
This can be fixed, a few people have done it and vastly improved locktimes and performance.
No-one at tomtom has said *anything* about the mobile versions, which leads me to think that as well as being very rude and fobbing people off, they are either undecided about leaving the mobile market, or re-evaluating it.
But its a good bet that as theres no updates since Febuary last year, for either mobile platform, then Tomtom has for the moment abandoned the mobile market.
Cant say I endorse Route66 though, not given some of the routes its given me!
But as you say, each to their own 😉
dez_borders wrote:I feel your statement that the N95 GPS is 'isn't that great' is inncccurate and somewhat unfair.
Well, IMHO, it isn't that great. Let me quantify that.
I often have to work at the Ministry Of Justice offices in Birmingham City Centre. The car park for this is underground. Before I leave, I turn everything on (phone, TomTom, GPS) and when I emerge into the open air, I'm immediately on a roundabout, surrounded on most sides by buildings at least 6 or 7 storeys high.
Live Maps Birds Eye View with GPS lock locations
Within 200 yards, my 44 Channel external GPS has locked on. I tried the same procedure with the N95 internal GPS and only got a lock when I got on to the Aston Expressway, heading towards the M6, about a mile away.
I have performed this test on a number of occasions and all in varying weather conditions, and get the same results every time.
I even went out on a trip today and tried a little test. I live in the Suffolk countryside, surrounded by low lying fields and covered by big open skies. Using the Nokia Maps application, I got an almost immediate lock with the external GPS. I then switched this off, restarted the app and waited a good minute or so for the internal GPS to get a lock. A reasonably fair, if not wholly scientific, test I'm sure you'll agree.
Side by side, the internal GPS on the phone is not as good as an external device. The introduction of A-GPS certainly helps. An external device with 32 or more channels will always perform better as whilst we can only ever "see" about 10 of the GPS satellites at any one time, having more channels means you will pick more of them up. On today's test, I had about 5 using the internal, and about 10 using the external. I can put my external receiver in the glovebox of my car and still get that level of reception.
Don't get me wrong. I think the very fact that Nokia have included GPS is a marvellous thing. It has pushed the boundaries of what these devices can be and that should be applauded. It won't be long, I'm sure, till we have phones with comparable GPS receivers and then this debate will be moot 😊
lovesign wrote:Well, IMHO, it isn't that great. Let me quantify that.I often have to work at the Ministry Of Justice offices in Birmingham City Centre... Within 200 yards, my 44 Channel external GPS has locked on. I tried the same procedure with the N95 internal GPS and only got a lock when I got on to the Aston Expressway, heading towards the M6, about a mile away.
As bartmanekul suggested, maybe you have a dodgy GPS antennae in your N95?
I fully agree that your (high quality/expensive) external GPS unit should perform better than the internal N95. 😉
I don't want to carry 2 units everywhere I go, but that's my preference.
TomTom have had over 12 months to embrace the N95 and failed to do so.
(Presumably their choice and not because they are not capable of writing the code?)
In any event, you are very happy with your external GPS unit and TT6
I am very happy with R66 v8 and the internal N95 GPS.
What a wonderful world when everyone has the freedom to choose what makes them happy!
dez_borders wrote:As bartmanekul suggested, maybe you have a dodgy GPS antennae in your N95?
I don't think it's dodgy as numerous colleagues have the same issue.
dez_borders wrote:I fully agree that your (high quality/expensive) external GPS unit should perform better than the internal N95. 😉
I'd hardly call �35 from eBay high quality or expensive 😉
dez_borders wrote:I don't want to carry 2 units everywhere I go, but that's my preference.
I don't. The GPS lives in the car.
dez_borders wrote:TomTom have had over 12 months to embrace the N95 and failed to do so.
(Presumably their choice and not because they are not capable of writing the code?)
On that we can agree. I would love to know, once and for all, what their plans are.
dez_borders wrote:In any event, you are very happy with your external GPS unit and TT6
I am very happy with R66 v8 and the internal N95 GPS.
What a wonderful world when everyone has the freedom to choose what makes them happy!
Indeed 😊
Worth looking at maybe? I know you will carry on using tomtom (and I dont blame you), but I reckon it would be nice to sort out your N95.
Thing is, with my 6110, I get a lock faster than sirf3 recievers most the time, with AGPS. And I dont have any of the accuracy issues you mentioned, and its the same GPS chip. A lot of people with N95s report the same sort of performance.
I dont see any reason for the same phones models to differ so wildly, apart from:
The agps address set wrong
The antenna not being right
Either way, might be something to look at if your bored.
For the record - Im not entirely happy with *any* of the symbian satnav solutions out at the moment 😉
it sounds like he is not using A-GPS or maybe doesnt have a data plan. i get solid locks in about 10 seconds consistently. however, the most i usually have is 5 satellites locked, highest i got was 10 one time. but very rarely. its acceptable IMO and its always fast and stable with internal n95 gps.
lovesign wrote:
I'd hardly call £35 from eBay high quality or expensive 😉
£35 is more expensive than the £5 (estimated) that Nokia spends on the internal GPS chip in the N95, and by high quality, I referred to the later, more advanced chipset in your external unit.
lovesign wrote:
I don't. The GPS lives in the car.
It's still 2 units, both of which can run out of battery power at different times.
I tried external GPS method (before the N95 was released) and it was not for me - I was close to purchasing a "real" car Sat-Nav solution - thank the lord for Nokia's N95!
RogerPodacter wrote:it sounds like he is not using A-GPS or maybe doesnt have a data plan. i get solid locks in about 10 seconds consistently. however, the most i usually have is 5 satellites locked, highest i got was 10 one time. but very rarely. its acceptable IMO and its always fast and stable with internal n95 gps.
I agree, I'm using Garmin Mobile XT (so far the closest to TomTom I've found) on my N95 and I also get a lock very fast.
I just tried it in my office, about 1 meter away from the window and got a lock with 4-5 sattellites in less than 15 seconds.
I've also found it's pretty good at keeping connected, even on forrest roads or in cities.
However you have to remember to have the keypad visible, or the performance is MUCH worse, also I have the latest firmware (21.0.016) and of course use A-GPS.
RogerPodacter wrote:it sounds like he is not using A-GPS or maybe doesnt have a data plan. i get solid locks in about 10 seconds consistently. however, the most i usually have is 5 satellites locked, highest i got was 10 one time. but very rarely. its acceptable IMO and its always fast and stable with internal n95 gps.
HE has a name, you know !
I AM using A-GPS and I DO have a data plan and I can get quick locks in open sky situations with the internal GPS, but my point, which I have repeated, and seems to have been overlooked, was that the internal GPS on the N95, admirable, acceptable and functional as it is, is not as good as an external device.
How on earth did this thread get this far ??
dez_borders wrote:It's still 2 units, both of which can run out of battery power at different times.
Not when you have hardwired power connections in the car.
lovesign wrote:HE has a name, you know !I AM using A-GPS and I DO have a data plan and I can get quick locks in open sky situations with the internal GPS, but my point, which I have repeated, and seems to have been overlooked, was that the internal GPS on the N95, admirable, acceptable and functional as it is, is not as good as an external device.
How on earth did this thread get this far ??
lol haha i totally agree with ya. i forgot your earlier posts. but yeah the internal GPS could be stronger for sure😊
lovesign wrote:Not when you have hardwired power connections in the car.
With all respect, if I don't want to carry and use 2 seperate devices, do you really think I want 2 charger cables in use when I am driving as well?
(You would be far better with a dedicated car TomTom unit, unless you are using a cracked Symbian TT6 and don't want to pay for it?)
I upgraded from an N80 to an N95 specifically because of the internal GPS and the 5mp camera. Internal GPS works perfectly for me (in Scotland) both rural and in cities.
I agree fully your external GPS unit with a more modern chipset will get a better signal, I just don't agree there's anything wrong with the N96 GPS chipset...
lovesign wrote: How on earth did this thread get this far ??
Because you are getting angry and using bold fonts and underline (AAS users seem to love to read a dispute). Also, you are not willing to see anyone else's point of view.
dez_borders wrote:With all respect, if I don't want to carry and use 2 seperate devices, do you really think I want 2 charger cables in use when I am driving as well?
My power supplies are hard wired in. No need for multicables. The GPS sits out of site and has an autostart feature so there is no need for me to access it
dez_borders wrote:(You would be far better with a dedicated car TomTom unit, unless you are using a cracked Symbian TT6 and don't want to pay for it?)
Actually, I wouldn't. That would then mean 3 devices, something which I'm sure you would take more umbridge to. My N95 is my phone, MP3 player and Sat Nav all in one. It connects via Bluetooth to my GPS Receiver and my Sony BT headunit so I only have one device in the car... my phone. No wires. I'm sure you'd approve.
I find your assumption that I might be using a cracked version of TT offensive.
dez_borders wrote:I upgraded from an N80 to an N95 specifically because of the internal GPS and the 5mp camera. Internal GPS works perfectly for me (in Scotland) both rural and in cities.
Excellent. I am happy for you.
dez_borders wrote:I agree fully your external GPS unit with a more modern chipset will get a better signal, I just don't agree there's anything wrong with the N96 GPS chipset...
I never said there was anything wrong with it. I simply said it was not as good.
Oh, and I'm sure you meant the N95. I would hope the N96 is a much improved device in respect of the GPS.
dez_borders wrote:Because you are getting angry and using bold fonts and underline (AAS users seem to love to read a dispute). Also, you are not willing to see anyone else's point of view.
I am quite willing to see someone else's point of view. I simply made the point, which you have agreed to, that the internal GPS was not as good as an external device. This point was based in fact and was backed up with evidence. I wasn't the one jumping to the defence of an inanimate object.
This will be my last word on the matter.
lovesign wrote: I never said there was anything wrong with it. I simply said it was not as good.Oh, and I'm sure you meant the N95. I would hope the N96 is a much improved device in respect of the GPS.
Fair enough, and yes my mistake, I meant to type N95 not N96.
By the way I was at a user conference at Solihull in September 07 and had the misfortune to miss the M6 toll and drive thru Birmingham centre at rush hour. Apart from the tunnels in the city centre fairway (Kingsway?), my N95 internal GPS kept a lock at all times and got me to my destination hotel. I assume you use a route more closely ovrdered by sky scrapers and tall buildings?
I guess to close off this argument / discussion... Each to their own! 😉