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Sat Nav Help N95 8gb

25 replies · 9,539 views · Started 08 May 2008

hi, i have bought n95 8gb the other day from 3 network in uk.
everytime i look at maps i get charged 1p or 2p.
they told me its free to download and browse maps and addresses and looks at maps in birds eye view.
but i get charged everytime i do something with maps and sat nav.

3 told me i get charged for navigation, for calculating routes, planning routes....

I HATE ALL THIS. I ASSUMED IT WAS ALL FREE UNDER MY MONTHLY PAYMENT.

IS THERE ANYWAY TO PUT SOME OTHER THIRD PARTY SAT NAV INSIDE MY PHONE, ONE WHICH I DONT HAVE TO PAY FOR EVERYTIME I USE IT????????

I HEAR PEOPLE PUT TOM TOM INTO SILVER N95 AND IT WORKS AND ITS FREE.
CAN I DO THIS ON MY 8GB PHONE????

SERIOUSLY WANNA RETURN THIS.

NOKIA MAPS IS NOT FREE!!!!!
SAT NAV IS NOT FREE!!
MY FRIENDS HAVE PDA'S AND WITH SAT NAV ON THEM AND THEY DONT PAY EXTRA FOR USING IT!!!!!!
PEOPLE ARE LAUGHING AT ME SAYING IM GETTTING SHAFTED BY 3.

AM I??

SIGH.

(THANKS FOR ANY INFO)

ive even changed the setting on maps to not connect to network, never.
and still i get charged.

people at 3 dont know.
sometimes they say this, sometime that.
always in disagreement depending on who you speak to

i had probs with wi fi.
3 three people, 3 times, said wi-fi usage is NOT free, theres a charge. even if i use my own access points, in starbucks etc.....
then one 3 guy said it WAS free to use wi fi hot spots.............

8gb is crap. i put half a gb of pics in and the phone started crashing and buttons stopped working and is just fell apart.
that space is unessesary if this happens,,,,everything slows down to snails pace.

this phone is not waht i thought it would be.

cant even make folders in gallery. all vids and pics are mixed.
cant even copy and paste in text
cant even go to a recent contacts list when sending messages.
cant even take a pic in normal holding poistion. awkward pic button position.
cant mark multiple pics in a single mode, way too many buttons to push. to delete messages quickly.

old nokias and lesser nokias can do things THIS ONE CANNOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DISAPPOINTED....DISAPPOINTED MAN.

you sir have no idea what you are talking about, and obviously have not done any research on the phone you have. you CAN do copy/paste in text. wifi IS FREE. its just like a laptop computer, connect to your wifi AP for free. how would three even know? etc etc. do some research perhaps.

I think you need to read the manual and maps instructions before you start ranting on about how bad your phone is, obviously you dont know how to use your phone or any of its features, these phones can be complicated to use, as Roger says do some research and RTFM

Unless your prepared to put a bit of effort in on learning about what your phone can do, its better you stick with a S40 device (lower end nokias).

The wifi function on your mobile is free, however if your not using your home network, you might have to pay. Some places have freewireless, some dont.

Maps are free to browse, read up on nokias maploader.

As for everything else, search for that too. If you cant be bothered, I suggest you return the phone and get something simpler.

i have read the F manual
i have phoned 3 everyday
they say browsing maps is free
i get charged
data usage

AND NO YOU CAN NOT COPY AND PASTE WHEN WRITING TEXT MESSAGES.
PROVE ME WRONG THEN.....GO ON...............

I AM VERY TECHNICALLY SAVVY.

I ALWAYS GOT CHARGED FOR BROWSING MAPS.
3 TOLD ME CALCULATING ROUTES IS NOT FREE.

WEL...YESTERDAY I FOUND THE POSITIONING SETTINGS...TURNED THEM ALL OFF....AND I CAN CALCULATE ROUTES FOR FREE, SIMULATION FOR FREE, ROUTE PLANNER FOR FREE, AND BROWSE MAPS FOR FREE, AND THE SIMULATION HAS VOICE PROMPTS, FOR FREE,
SO I CAN DO THE ABOVE AND GET TO DESTINATION AND NOT PAY......

THE POSITIONING SETTINGS: WHICH ONES ARE FREE??? IVE JUST TURNED THEM ALL OFF

THREE DONT KNOW S**T

OTHER PDA'S ETC DONT PAY EXTRA FOR SAT NAV
WHY DO WE???

CAN I GET PUT THIRD PARTY SAT NAV ON AND USE FOR FREE??

Well you are clearly not very savvy because a number of things you have said there are wrong.

PDA users do *NOT* have free satnav, they have to purchase it first. Theres a few cases where it might have come bundled with satnav software, but that would only be special offers, generally they dont.

As for being charged for browsing maps, did you look at nokia map loader like I said?

And yes you can put a third party satnav on there, but you have to pay for it.

However decide what sort of payment you want to do, subscription (nokia maps) or a bigger cost upfront.

If you already have the maps downloaded, perhaps its AGPS which cost you the few pence.

Which, if you read the manual, you would have known.

dude i am very savvy
ive read manual, ive phoned them, and they have not helped

PDA people , yes they purchase software, or buy it knock off ebay, or just download it...........a very small cost..........and then when they use it, it is free.
if anything, its just a small cost to get it up and running. then, it is free usage.

when i tell people i have to pay eveytime i use it, they laugh at me.
people are shocked.

i installed map downloader and installed uk maps on my phone.
i think i was getting charged cause position settings were mostly ticked, by default........as soon is unchecked them...........charges stopped, for map browsing, route planning. i can live with this. ....

i dont mind paying for third party software sat nav.......as long as when i use it i dont get charges based on useage...........can i do this? or does all this gps thing HAVE to go VIA my network 3??

which gps will be free? bluetooth...external? internal??
basically i dont wanna deal with 3 network when using sat nav........

3 told me there is NO SUBSCRIPTION with nokia, nothing like that, just option to buy internet add-on from free for data usage.........or just pay as i use....so i just deal with 3.......

yeah, i just turned off ALL positioning settings(internal/external/network etc)(found in settings>general>positioning.........now some functions are free.............

im gonna read the manual.........its not clear tho.........
3 dont know..........its trial and error i find my answers, and this board

sorry if come across as a pr**k

and thanks for help

theres stuff on ebay for peanuts which says i can do what i have mentioned. put other software on and not pay usage charges.

If you have downloaded the maps, I can only assume its AGPS costing you the money.

Since you obviously dont have a data contract, nokia maps is not for you. Im not sure about version 1, but the beta of 2 goes online to look for things.

If your looking for satnav, without paying for subscription or data usage, you have the choices...

Garmin XT mobile

Copilot live 7

Navigon

Navicore (dont though, as a new version is due soon).

Route66

However my choice would be between Garmin and copilot. Other peoples opinions vary.

If its stupidly cheap on ebay, its a ripoff copy.

COPY/PASTE

in your text, hold the PENCIL key and then press the D-PAD in the direction you want to copy the text. when its highlighted release and then press the PENCIL key again, and it will give you the option to COPY.

if this text is in your inbox, then click options FORWARD and then the text will be highlight capable. DONE. now go do some research and stop complaining about something you dont even know.

AND STOP CALLING THREE AND ASKING THEM QUESTIONS!!!!! YOU HONESTLY THINK THEY ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU ACCURATE INFO??

rogerPodacter = lol.......dude!!! you are the man....thankyou
"if this text is in your inbox, then click options FORWARD and then the text will be highlight capable"......i dont get this part

rip off copy = nothing wrong with taht.....it will work as good as normal copy

so which GPS would i use for garmin?
and 3 would not charge me?

anybody put garmin , Copilot live 7, route66 on new N95 8gb phone on 3 network and are not paying for using it????????????????

thanks

jonboy wrote:rogerPodacter = lol.......dude!!! you are the man....thankyou
"if this text is in your inbox, then click options FORWARD and then the text will be highlight capable"......i dont get this part

rip off copy = nothing wrong with taht.....it will work as good as normal copy

so which GPS would i use for garmin?
and 3 would not charge me?

anybody put garmin , Copilot live 7, route66 on new N95 8gb phone on 3 network and are not paying for using it????????????????

thanks

well if you are trying to copy text from an SMS that you just received, you have to pretend to FORWARD the message so that it opens up the text window where you can actually highlight the text. an SMS in your inbox is read-only in a way. so baiscally just go to forward the message, then copy the text you need, then delete the forward without actually sending the message. then to paste press the pencil key again and paste where you need it.

i have garmin on my n95 8GB. however we are not allowed to talk about that here because you have to use a trick to do it, which is against the rules. i bought garmin for my n95-3 and wanted it on my 8GB. i suggest garmin out of all of them cause its the best IMO. maps are stored on the memory card. i enable A-GPS so my satellite locks are under 15 seconds.

you definitely should unbrand your firmware on the n95 and get rid of anything related to THREE. its the best way to use an n95, no carrier firmware. when i use even nokia maps, it has nothing to do with my carrier. they have no control over the GPS function in my n95 and it should be the same for you. whether you use garmin, nokia maps, tomtom, it isnt the carrier feature. same with wifi. i can connect my laptop to my home wifi, just like i can connect my n95 to my home wifi. hell i dont even have to have a sim card in the phone to connect, so it has nothing to do with THREE. they just dont know what they are talking about, and of course they have to claim "oh its not free blah blah" by default just to cover their a$$. its all generic BS, and i stick to forums for help as much as possible and never deal with my carrier.

ROGERP KNOWS!!!
copy and paste works mint. big thanks

so you are with 3, roger?

so i can just buy garmin from garmin....or a copy of it from ebay....or whatever......how much am i looking at �wise......one-off payment yeah? no other on-goin payments?

so do you have to pay for usage roger? or do you use garmin navigation for free now?

unbrand my firmware....?......ive heard about this.....by carrier firmware, you mean 3 related crap?.....by carrier, you mean 3?

so whats the main benefit and drawback of unbranding my firmware......?
and whats the process......

(sorry i know its on the forums before)
yep....im a newbie:icon14:

jonboy wrote:ROGERP KNOWS!!!
copy and paste works mint. big thanks

so you are with 3, roger?

so i can just buy garmin from garmin....or a copy of it from ebay....or whatever......how much am i looking at �wise......one-off payment yeah? no other on-goin payments?

so do you have to pay for usage roger? or do you use garmin navigation for free now?

unbrand my firmware....?......ive heard about this.....by carrier firmware, you mean 3 related crap?.....by carrier, you mean 3?

so whats the main benefit and drawback of unbranding my firmware......?
and whats the process......

(sorry i know its on the forums before)
yep....im a newbie:icon14:

check your PM. garmin is a one time fee, thats it. i pay for my unlimited data plan and nothing else. i am not on THREE, i am here in the US where 15 dollars gets me unlimited data!! sorry for you guys over there with expensive plans!

there is absolutely no drawbacks of debranding. it only brings advantages of having cleaner firmware, more free RAM, less bloatware, etc. the process will required your phone to be formatted, which means you will have to back up your contacts, pics, videos, etc. and you will have to re-install all your applications again. i suggest you do it. however you can wait a bit and research it first to see the process. its not hard.

thanks rog, ill look into debranding....and checking these forums out....

you say i have to re-install my applications after debranding......which applications? the ones in my phone at the moment?
(i have not added anything, just got the phone from 3)

garmin is a one time fee?
to who?

(N95 8GB)

can you make folders in the gallery? all pics and vids seem to be mixed

can you go to a recent contacts list when sending messages? or you gotta just manually search for contact each time? (ive just made one contact 'groups' to speed things up for highly used text recipitents.

cant take a pic in normal holding position? side button is awkward

whats the best fastest way to sift and get rid of messages.....manually marking messages is a lot of button pushing.

Ok, you really do seem confused about Sat Nav and charging so let me see if I can clarify it for you.

Nokia Maps is free. You pay nothing to use the application or the maps. However, the internal GPS device on your N95 is an A-GPS unit (assisted GPS). This works by making a brief connection with a location server online. It's purpose is to give you a GPS lock and fix much quicker. The connection lasts a few seconds and the amount of data uses is a few kb. Therefore this could mount up depending on the data tariff you have with 3. The good news is that you can turn A-GPS off if you want.

If you want to use Maps for navigation and utilise the voice directions, you have to pay Nokia a subscription fee. This is a user driven process (i.e. not a hidden, automatic thing) and has nothing to do with 3.

Downloading and installing the maps from Nokia via your PC is completely free, but if you download via your phone over 3G/GPRS, you will incur data charges in line with your tariff. You could use the WiFi connection and this will be free, unless of course you have to pay the owner of the hotspot (BT Openzone, etc).

Applications like TomTom Navigator, Garmin XT, Co-Pilot, McGuider, etc are single payment applications, bought from the manufacturer or a supplier. Unlike Nokia Maps, they come with everything (maps, navigation, routing, voice guided directions) and will cost you nothing to use, unless you use some of their extra features like Weather downlaods or Traffic updates that download data. Once again, you will incur data charges in line with your tariff.

Ok, that's the Sat Nav and data charging taken care of. Now the camera.

The normal holding position of the N95 (as well as most N Series devices over the last year or two) is the horizontal position. End of story, really.

Images in the gallery:

It's been an issue of hot debate for some while that the Gallery isn't as "ordered" as it could be, with it displaying every image it finds in your phone. You can create albums, but this will not "hide" the images away. The only way to prevent them from showing up is to use a file manager application like Y-Browser to adjust the file attributes of the offending image files to "hidden".

Marking multiple pics/texts:

Some might say it's fiddly, others intuitive. It's subjective really. Doing the first one takes the longest, then all subsequent pics/texts can just be clicked on and you get a mini contextual menu with "Mark" as the first option in the list, negating the need for multiple button presses.

"8GB is crap":

If your phone can't handle 0.5GB of data then you've either got a faulty unit or there's something you're not telling us.

"Which gps will be free? bluetooth...external? internal?":

ALL GPS is free, thanks to good ol' Ronnie Reagan. About the only good thing he ever did was declare the GPS system free to be accessed by all (subject to receivers being licenced by the US Govt.). After a Korean airliner crashed in the 80's, he opened up the previously "Military Only" system to the world. The only cost involved with using GPS is the A-GPS variant I described earlier.

TomTom requires an external device but virtually all the others can make use of the internal unit in your N95.

"rip off copy = nothing wrong with taht.....it will work as good as normal copy":

Don't put money on it. And there is something wrong with it. I'm not going to go into the whole "piracy" debate here, but suffice to say, it's theft and leads to products being withdrawn or having their development ceased (see TomTom). And invariably, they will be hacked or corrupted or generally mutated and will have an increased risk of failing.

Debranding:

When mobile phone manufacturers release their devices, they do so in a number of variants, each with a unique flavour of the operating system designed for a particular network operator. It might contain exclusive apps or functionality for that particular network. It might even remove or disable applications or functionality that conflicts with the interest of the network provider. It will also contain branded boot up screens, themes, wallpapers and menu structures. In theory this can be quite good, however in practice it effectively cripples the devices and prevents the user getting the most from their device and realising it's full potential. Therefore with some phones, you can "debrand" them by installing the generic firmware with is not brand specific and has nothing removed or switched off. This means you can use the device fully. On Symbian S60 3rd Ed. handsets, this requires you to change the internal product code of the device to a generic code so that Nokia Software Updater installs the latest generic firmware for you. This practice will invariably break the terms of your warranty. It can also have the potential of rendering your handset dead (bricked) if the process fails or is interrupted before it has finished. These phones, by and large, can be recovered, but usually at a cost. If you want your phone to have the latest firmware and fixes, this is definitely the way to go. It's worth noting that once upgraded, you cannot regress to an earlier version.

For someone claiming to be tech savvy, you sure do ask a lot of questions, however, ask nicely (in lower case) and respectfully and you will receive plenty of excellent advice here 😊

Good luck 😊

jonboy wrote:thanks rog, ill look into debranding....and checking these forums out....

you say i have to re-install my applications after debranding......which applications? the ones in my phone at the moment?
(i have not added anything, just got the phone from 3)

garmin is a one time fee?
to who?

yes garmin is just a one time payment. no only have to install apps that you added. all the regular apps will be there. most people have 30-40 apps installed on their phone cause there are so many for the n95. google maps, conversations, location tagger, slick IM, handy taskman, etc. these are all must have applications for the n95.

also, to delete multiple items, say in a list or your SMS inbox, hold the pencil key, and move the D-Pad up or down to select multiple items. checkmarks will appear next to each item. then press C to delete those highlighted items.

lovesign = your a star....i apologise for soundling lik a pR**k..........yeah i ask alot of q's....cant help it.....(and im exited about this phone now!)
thanks for all info..........ill be nicer.....

roger =" google maps, conversations, location tagger, slick IM, handy taskman, etc. these are all must have applications for the n95."

do you have to pay for the above apps? where can i get them from? i wont get charged from 3 by using these app will i?

yeah about multiple marking messges, that 2 button pressing and scrolling!!!! i read that in the help pages on the phone last night........the paper manuals are rubbish!!.............nice...........BUT.........it marks 2 messages in one go........not good as you wanna mark one here and one here etc...........can you mark one with this 2 button method?

on the garmin website, the mobile XT software, nokia N95 8GB is not listed as supported phone....only the normal n95 is.........
(and its really cheap, like well under �100 for uk maps. very reasonaable)

is garmin MOBILE XT the best of the garmin versions for this phone?

yeah ive turned of A-GPS now, no more data charges.
"If you want to use Maps for navigation and utilise the voice directions, you have to pay Nokia a subscription fee. This is a user driven process (i.e. not a hidden, automatic thing) and has nothing to do with 3." ok i hear ya.......3 told me it has nothing to do with nokia and i deal with 3..........forget 3.
im happy using the route planner and simulation for free for the time being......

do i HAVE to debrand in order to use garmin, without being charged by 3...?
garmin say ask your carrier about gps charges.......ive emailed 3........

file manager application like Y-Browser............is this free? whre from?
is it any good?

lovesign =" Doing the first one takes the longest, then all subsequent pics/texts can just be clicked on and you get a mini contextual menu with "Mark" as the first option in the list, negating the need for multiple button presses."

i dont understand waht you said...........can you clarify please......i know of the normal idividual message selecting and then options>mark method (alot of button pushing)........and the pencil and scrolling 2 or more messages method..........(mark is never the first option in the list)

unbranding sounds a little risky and dangerous........gonna research it some more............

"For someone claiming to be tech savvy, you sure do ask a lot of questions, however, ask nicely (in lower case) and respectfully and you will receive plenty of excellent advice here"

lol

cheers

jonboy wrote:lovesign = your a star....i apologise for soundling lik a pR**k..........yeah i ask alot of q's....cant help it.....(and im exited about this phone now!)
thanks for all info..........ill be nicer.....

roger =" google maps, conversations, location tagger, slick IM, handy taskman, etc. these are all must have applications for the n95."

do you have to pay for the above apps? where can i get them from? i wont get charged from 3 by using these app will i?

yeah about multiple marking messges, that 2 button pressing and scrolling!!!! i read that in the help pages on the phone last night........the paper manuals are rubbish!!.............nice...........BUT.........it marks 2 messages in one go........not good as you wanna mark one here and one here etc...........can you mark one with this 2 button method?

on the garmin website, the mobile XT software, nokia N95 8GB is not listed as supported phone....only the normal n95 is.........
(and its really cheap, like well under �100 for uk maps. very reasonaable)

is garmin MOBILE XT the best of the garmin versions for this phone?

yeah ive turned of A-GPS now, no more data charges.
"If you want to use Maps for navigation and utilise the voice directions, you have to pay Nokia a subscription fee. This is a user driven process (i.e. not a hidden, automatic thing) and has nothing to do with 3." ok i hear ya.......3 told me it has nothing to do with nokia and i deal with 3..........forget 3.
im happy using the route planner and simulation for free for the time being......

do i HAVE to debrand in order to use garmin, without being charged by 3...?
garmin say ask your carrier about gps charges.......ive emailed 3........

file manager application like Y-Browser............is this free? whre from?
is it any good?

lovesign =" Doing the first one takes the longest, then all subsequent pics/texts can just be clicked on and you get a mini contextual menu with "Mark" as the first option in the list, negating the need for multiple button presses."

i dont understand waht you said...........can you clarify please......i know of the normal idividual message selecting and then options>mark method (alot of button pushing)........and the pencil and scrolling 2 or more messages method..........(mark is never the first option in the list)

unbranding sounds a little risky and dangerous........gonna research it some more............

"For someone claiming to be tech savvy, you sure do ask a lot of questions, however, ask nicely (in lower case) and respectfully and you will receive plenty of excellent advice here"

lol

cheers

they are free. conversations is available from nokia beta labs site. google maps is free, but you probably want a data plan with that. slick IM is free, but uses data. so you can use it at home with wifi, but i wouldnt use it thru the cell network. location tagger is free from nokia beta labs. etc etc. apps all over, just google for them and try them out.

yes i guess that you cant select random items to delete. but when i go thru my lists to delete, when i am on the item, just press C and its deleted. do that for each one. i usually only delete in large chunks anyway. not really a big deal IMO.

no you dont have to debrand to use any appm including garmin. but debranding makes the phone more free RAM, runs smoother, cleaner install, etc. its just better all around, no questions. and yes garmin is probably the best GPS app for n95.

yes Y-browser is free. its good for what it does, file browser. i just use the regular file browser.

yeah you can select/mark random messages, and then delete them after, penicil button and then the middle big button (so both button pressed together)........puts a tick on the message.............pencil and down scroll just does 2 or more quickly.........and you can de-select the tick with same method.

what does IMO mean? when people write on internet, ive never understood it........

if i debrand.........will i still be able to look at planet 3 and check my usage etc..........? .................

has anyone debranded a 3 network nokia N95 8GB phone here? if so, can you tell me the main things that get erased, please? and what services and functions will no longer be available?

jonboy wrote:yeah you can select/mark random messages, and then delete them after, penicil button and then the middle big button (so both button pressed together)........puts a tick on the message.............pencil and down scroll just does 2 or more quickly.........and you can de-select the tick with same method.

what does IMO mean? when people write on internet, ive never understood it........

if i debrand.........will i still be able to look at planet 3 and check my usage etc..........? .................

has anyone debranded a 3 network nokia N95 8GB phone here? if so, can you tell me the main things that get erased, please? and what services and functions will no longer be available?

IMO means In My Opinion (IMHO = In My Humble Opinion) 😊

I couldn't comment on what goes or doesn't go by wiping the 3 branded firmware, especially on the 8GB variant. But I'm sure someone here has and will soon chip in.

sorry i dont know specifics with a three phone. how do you normally check your online usage? cause you can just go right to the three website and login since the phone has a full web browser so it loads full websites from anywhere on the internet. if there is some mobile proxy type setup then i dont know. the n95 auto configures for any network by pulling the settings off the sim card. so when you buy a brand new n95 unlocked, or you debrand yours, when you first boot up the phone the settings are pulled from the sim card. i dont know what three has though...

you should probably make a new thread for that particular issue, or search the old debranding threads. i know there are people with three phones who have done it. search around maybe.

yeah i check my usage by using my mobile, planet 3 net connection, free of charge, .........i can also check the same details plus more online on the three website(my account etc)...........its just convenient to do it on the phone without ringing some computer woman.........just lists my data usage.....i dont have a data plan..........so will only use free wi-fi once in a blue moon.
-most people in uk only use full internet on phone if it is free on wi-fi.......data usage is expensive here for mobiles......

IMHO this is a bloody good forum!!!!!!!!!!!!

you guys and gals are REALLY into your phones. im impressed and learning alot.
respect

yeah i would double check what three functions you may lose with debranding, only because i dont know what kind of web portal they give you for free, i.e. check your bill online for free without getting charged for data. i know many gsm networks you can dial like *min# for your minutes usage, and it sends you a text message. there is also one for your current bill too. i use that on my network here in the states. maybe that is an option.