The next part of my Mac virgin series, trying to get to grips with OS X and get my Nokia N95 8GB connected up and productive. In part 1, I found it fairly easy to get the two devices paired up by Bluetooth and synced using iSync. In part 2, I look at connecting my phone up via USB cable and archiving my photos and videos.
Read on in the full article.
You can leave the full size pictures on your phone, it will only send back optimised copies of the pictures placed in the N95 folder created during initial setup/import.
By dragging all your images to this folder after import you told it to copy then back.
iPhoto will happily import your pictures with out having multimedia transfer installed, either set iPhoto to open on device connection or open iPhoto and then connect your usb cable, in both case wait a few seconds and import will start.
Hi Steve,
That Nokia MM Transfer looks pretty sweet, but I should probably warn you that iPhoto comes with some potential risks, due to its proprietary database format. Should that become corrupted, your precious photos might possibly be lost along with it!
More on this can be found on the Apple Discussions site:
There are other cataloging apps available -- my favourite is this one:
http://www.iview-multimedia.com/
You do have to pay for it, but it's well worth it IMHO...
Post by post, review by review, you are drawing me towards a mac!! I always have wanted to own a mac but then the needs of my n 82 are much stronger than the want of a mac!
if you can do all that I do with my phone on my windows laptop, theres no stopping me from splurging into a mac!!
Am waiting for more to come from you!
fidolatry wrote:Hi Steve,That Nokia MM Transfer looks pretty sweet, but I should probably warn you that iPhoto comes with some potential risks, due to its proprietary database format. Should that become corrupted, your precious photos might possibly be lost along with it!
More on this can be found on the Apple Discussions site:
There are other cataloging apps available -- my favourite is this one:
http://www.iview-multimedia.com/
You do have to pay for it, but it's well worth it IMHO...
Never had a problem with iPhoto myself in over 2 years of using it, regardless of that, should the database file become damaged, your photos are still stored in the Finder and are not affected.
@ashu,
I switched from SE and Windoze to Nokia and Mac a few years ago. I have NEVER had one problem syncing my data. Unlike with Windows you do not need the bloatware PC Suite to move your data. You can symply sync via iSync. You can move data to your phone via BT, or you can use the Media application that Nokia developed. Either way there are no drivers to install, no .dll's to get corrupted. I am currently using an N82 with my Mac, right along with my iPhone. I even created a script to sync my data daily at 22:00 so that any changes made during the day will be there the next day. It really could not be easier.
> but I should probably warn you that iPhoto comes with some potential
> risks, due to its proprietary database format. Should that become
> corrupted, your precious photos might possibly be lost along with it!
Sorry, but you're wrong. Photos in iPhoto are saved as separate JPEG files. The database is purely for recording "Smart Albums" and other relationships between photos that can't be stored in JPEG files themselves.
Post by post, review by review, you are drawing me towards a mac!! I always have wanted to own a mac but then the needs of my n 82 are much stronger than the want of a mac!if you can do all that I do with my phone on my windows laptop, theres no stopping me from splurging into a mac!!
This is quite an interesting point, I wanted to switch to Linux Ubuntu on my main PC but didn't because like you I have to have Windows for various phone-related applications.
BUT... things like over-the-air firmware updates and online services, which work directly with the phone, are steadily eroding the need for a computer at all. If you don't need to use a computer with your phone, then you're free to use any computer OS you want.
you can also check nova media's fonelink, not free but worth it. What's good about fonelink is the backup feature, it's like having Time Machine.
The itunes sync is better than nokia media transfer, the abilty to encode automaticall the music from iTunes.
Maybe you can also write a review and welcome to the mac world and enjoy!
Well... it's not quite 'welcome to the Mac world' because a) the Mac's got to go back to Apple and b) I've found a few semi-showstoppers - see parts 3 and 4 of the series, coming up soon!
It�s very interesting to read those articles about S60 and Mac OS X.
I�m running both Mac OS X (as my primary OS) and Windows XP but my phone duties (other than image and video transfer) is done with XP. The deal breaker for me with Mac OS X is the complete lack of support for eAAC+ encoded music. This makes iTunes useless for my phone collection and when this forces me to use Windows my decision was simple: use Windows for everything phone related (contacts and so on).
It would be nice if Nokia and Apple releases support for eAAC+, Nokia Software Updater and other services. That day I will gladly use Mac OS X for the phone related tasks.
hey, thats supercool.
I think i will need some tutoring on that from you. i also have an n 82. in 3 months time, will go in for a macbook.
hope u r a frequent here!! by that time evn our steve will become a master!!!!
Ratkat wrote:Never had a problem with iPhoto myself in over 2 years of using it, regardless of that, should the database file become damaged, your photos are still stored in the Finder and are not affected.
I've had the database corrupted with iPhoto & yes, your originals are still on your hard drive but because of the way iPhoto saves them (in literally a thousands of nested folders) it can be an absolute NIGHTMARE retrieving them again.
Trust me, once you've had this happen, you'll be a lot more scared of trusting iPhotos filing structure.
A safer way is to (in the newer versions of iPhoto) select in preferences the option that does NOT 'copy' your pictures into the iPhoto database. That way you can keep all your pictures in eg the 'Pictures' folder on your mac, then drag them from there into iPhoto.
iPhoto then just imports photo references to your originals which are safely stored where you can always find them.
It would be nice if Nokia and Apple releases support for eAAC+, Nokia Software Updater and other services. That day I will gladly use Mac OS X for the phone related tasks.
You won't necessarily need Software Updater on future S60 models, the updates will go straight onto the phone over Wi-Fi or the phone network.
Music would still be a problem though as computers still tend to be better places to store tracks.
Unregistered wrote:I've had the database corrupted with iPhoto & yes, your originals are still on your hard drive but because of the way iPhoto saves them (in literally a thousands of nested folders) it can be an absolute NIGHTMARE retrieving them again.Trust me, once you've had this happen, you'll be a lot more scared of trusting iPhotos filing structure.
A safer way is to (in the newer versions of iPhoto) select in preferences the option that does NOT 'copy' your pictures into the iPhoto database. That way you can keep all your pictures in eg the 'Pictures' folder on your mac, then drag them from there into iPhoto.
iPhoto then just imports photo references to your originals which are safely stored where you can always find them.
Sorry but you are completely wrong, iPhoto saves your pics in the following file structure
pictures/iphoto library/originals/year imported/date imported (or event name, if you have changed it)
It doesn't get much simpler than that to be honest.
Tzer2 wrote:You won't necessarily need Software Updater on future S60 models, the updates will go straight onto the phone over Wi-Fi or the phone network.Music would still be a problem though as computers still tend to be better places to store tracks.
On the 'Intel Mac' you can still run windows, either using the apple supplied bootcamp
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bootcamp.html
or a better way is to use a virtual machine like Vmware Fusion
http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/
This allows you to install XP or Vista on you mac and then install programs like Nokia Software Update or Map Loader, and anything else you want, the Vmware Fusion allows you to have both Mac OSX and Windows running at the same time in near perfect unity with windows programs appearing on the Mac desktop and dock.
There is a great video showing a mac running windows through vmware fusion on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIApJMzGzDQ
As a developer I have been using this format for nearly two years now with no problems, I will be interested to reads Steve's last two parts as I have yet to find a showstopper.
I tried Mac OS X for a few years before ditching it for Linux (Ubuntu in my case) - I really couldn't get myself to like it (I already didn't like MS Windows) - but I do appreciate this series on using phones with OS X.
I wonder what happens to songs bought from the iTunes Music Store....will the iTunes sync convert them (no way)? I'm pretty sure the Nokia one won't.
In any case, I look forward to Steve's foray into the Linux world. I'm sure he'll have a lot more to criticize then 😃
Actually, it is surprising how much functionality is supported, at least in Ubuntu, though some functions require the obligatory hacking...maybe not long before it'll be usable, hopefully.
Max.
I wonder what happens to songs bought from the iTunes Music Store....will the iTunes sync convert them (no way)? I'm pretty sure the Nokia one won't.
If they're the cheaper DRMed tracks, Apple will never allow them to go onto non-Apple equipment. They're trying to use iTunes to encourage people to buy iPods and iPhones.
The more expensive DRM-free tracks should be fine on all devices though.
Yes Nokia media app does allow the iTunes plus (drm free) files to be synced to S60 phones. I think it modified the metadata as it's not standard. Ironic that the pc suite does not allow this, maybe nokia thinks that windows users only use media player or nokia music manager, both poor music apps. With regard to the more expensive drm free comment this changed several months ago and now all iTunes tracks are the same price. Another welcome article, looking forward to see the linux one and after that see if you can carry out the same operations over the air to so called cloud based sites.
With regard to the more expensive drm free comment this changed several months ago and now all iTunes tracks are the same price.
If the DRM-free tracks are the same price, why do they still offer DRM versions?
Because Time Warner and a few other major labels will not allow Apple to publish DRM-free tracks.
thanks tzer2.
I generally use my laptop and my phone, n 82 for following tasks. If these can be done on a mac os x, then i will be just fine.
1. Syncing pim. Very very imp.
2. Upload my vids and pics. Am getting jittery with all these talks of file corruption but will get more guidance on that once i come to that.
3. Installing various s60 apps which i download on my laptop and then install on my phone. Somehow not very comfortable with direct to phone mode.
4. Using my phone as a tethered modem for my laptop's internet connectivity.
5. Something not to do with phone, a general question. Am used to work on ms office for so long that have got used to them. Can i use ms office on mac?
I have got quickoffice 5 on my phone and often create documents on phone only. (silly me! But what to do, am a sales guy and always on the move. ). I often review my team's excel report on my phone. Will i be able to send to my mac? Very crucial. If it can not be done, then i will be done with mac!
Waiting eagerly for steve's 3 and 4. Would like to see, if his trial one is taken, would he fall in love with mac enough to buy one. That will be a very strong signal!!
@ashu,
Forget about Steve and concentrate on your own opinion. Steve has a bias against Mac. You can almost see him looking for a reason for it to fail. I have been using Mac OS X and Nokia for quite a while and I can say simply that it works. No drama, not hesitation. It just does what it is supposed to do. You want to sync music (non DRM), it will do it. You want your contacts from teh Apple address book, on your phone? It will put them there, same with calendar. Hell, with my Mac, I even wrote a small script to do daily synchronizations at a certain time so I do not have to think about it. If you want viruses, maleware, and a security patck a week, stay with Windows. Not to say that Mac OS X is perfect, but it is the best OS out there right now. So, like I said, listen to yourself, not me nor Biased-Steve and go with what works for you.
No, I *don't* have a bias against Mac. Really. I *love* this MacBook (it's gorgeous and very fast - and have been trying to get Apple PR to let me keep it!). And I *love* my iPod Touch (/iPhone/whatever).
But it's all down to the best tool for the job. As you'll see from parts 3 and 4 in this series....
Oh, and there's no Linux series - you guys are putting words in my mouth now! It's a good idea, but my past experiments with Ubuntu have been disastrous. If a Linux user here wants to write such an article, I'm VERY happy to edit it and polish it for publication though....
@Steve,
Fair enough. Bias accusation withdrawn.
By the way, were you over on Appleinsder a few weeks to a month ago? Someone that sounds like you (the way you write) was posting over there defending Nokia against the "over the top" Apple Fanboys.
If you do manage to keep it, let me know and I can send you some good software links.
Hey Steve,
Have gone through several articles of yours and I know you are not biased towards anything but ""Symbian""!
@unregistered,
Thank you for firming my mind up. The result of this two week of mac, symbian exploration has been a positive one for me. The procastination is out of the window and here I am, just out of an Apple store in my town holding the brochures and thumbing this post from the street from my soon to be married to mac nokia n 82!
Am sure it will work.
Thanks guys. this debate resulted in a $1000 buy. great..😊
@ashu,
I am the unregistered guy. I was too lazy to go back and sign in. 😊
Anyway, you can get MS Office for Mac, and I must say that it is a bit better than the Windows versions. MS has to write it to Mac standards only so they do not have to run through hoops to support different versions of Windows. There is also Open Office which is free. You might want to download this and try it first before you buy MS Office for Mac. If you need additional help drop me a PM with your email address or chat client address and I will set you up with what you need.
Cheers
Oh, and there's no Linux series - you guys are putting words in my mouth now! It's a good idea, but my past experiments with Ubuntu have been disastrous. If a Linux user here wants to write such an article, I'm VERY happy to edit it and polish it for publication though....
You should try Ubuntu nowadays, it's much easier to use and more stable. It's also got at least some measure of built-in S60 support now.
I got the modem script and instructions from: http://www.taniwha.org.uk/
It was pretty easy to set up.
Not as easy as the WinXP setup but am up and running now nonetheless.
I'll repeat my invitation in Part 1.
Rather than let this thread get involved with Macs and OS X in general, as opposed to just the Symbian aspects, why not join us at MacOSX-Support? We try to answer questions at all levels.