You missed my point completely. What I was trying to say is that mobile phones in the near future will become more like a desktop computer. They will become the platform for a good variety of desktop applications.
My concerns with Symbian is that its roots were originally from EPOC32, a mobile platform that was not meant for desktop applications. Whereas OS X was derived from desktop platform which has much more capabilities.
It will be too difficult for Nokia to enhance the capabilities of Symbian to match that of OS X. For that reason, I feel that Nokia should put some of its effort on Android.
Unregistered wrote:Blah blah blah balh blaaah....iPhone OS (as Apple calls it) is cut down version of Mac OS X, which is based on NEXT which was a deriative of Berkeley Software Distribution which dates to 1970s (or 1960s if we wanna go trough it's whole UNIX roots).
Android is fork of LINUX, which was created by Linus Torvalds at University of Helsinki during early 90's.
Both systems are hardly "designed for desktop applications using the latest technologies". Both are mix and match of long code history of various desktop OS with bits left and and mixed with other sources. Stop believing all the crap you read. Not that there's anything wrong with roots of either Android or iPhone OS, but stop glorifying them like a Engadget/Gizmodo reading teenage geek who knows nothing about the stuff he writes about.
But that makes no sense.
You could well say the opposite.
OS X was derived from desktop platform so will never be suitable for mobiles.
Symbian will probably scale very well, since mobile computing will continue to use low powered processors (compared to desktops) and other restrictions. I dont know what evidence there is of symbian not being able match.
If Symbian is so powerful and up to tasks, why did Nokia need to use Maemo (a Linux OS) to deliver its internet tablets? And why did Nokia need to acquire Trolltech (another Linux platform provider)? Can't Nokia just use Symbian for its internet tablets as well?
bartmanekul wrote:But that makes no sense. You could well say the opposite.
OS X was derived from desktop platform so will never be suitable for mobiles.
Symbian will probably scale very well, since mobile computing will continue to use low powered processors (compared to desktops) and other restrictions. I dont know what evidence there is of symbian not being able match.
@unregistered:
Because those are internet tablets, not phones.
That is funny. Isn't Symbian originated from EPOC32 for Psion, a PDA (just like a tablet and not a phone)??? So Symbian can be used for internet tablet but instead Nokia chose not to use it because of Symbian's limitations and/or Nokia wants to experiment with Linux as an alternative OS.
Unregistered wrote:@unregistered:
Because those are internet tablets, not phones.
Unregistered wrote:If Symbian is so powerful and up to tasks, why did Nokia need to use Maemo (a Linux OS) to deliver its internet tablets? And why did Nokia need to acquire Trolltech (another Linux platform provider)? Can't Nokia just use Symbian for its internet tablets as well?
Guess you missed the point on Maemo and Trolltech.
Maemo was created by Nokia, based on a debian linux, to provide an alternative view on Mobile devices. It was R&D and from there came the Internet Tablets.
Trolltech, know as Qt since September 30th, doesn't provide "linux" software, it provides software development platforms and frameworks.
Maybe the reason Nokia bought Qt is that it provides Cross Platform application and UI framework.
Qt on windows, Qt on Mac, Qt on Linux...
How about Qt on Symbian?
Wouldn't that make sense?
I'd be surprised if that wouldn't bring quite a boost to Nokia's devices UI...
My question is why did Nokia wants to get into Linux at all if Symbian is so powerful? Aren't Linux and Symbian competiting OS for the mobile phones? Nokia could have focused on its Symbian Foundation to bring out an integrated and powerful OS for the future smartphones.
The truth is Nokia was forced to develop Maemo, an unrelated Linux distribution based on Debian, in order to deliver the company�s Internet Tablet simply because Symbian wasn�t up to the task!
Unregistered wrote:Guess you missed the point on Maemo and Trolltech.Maemo was created by Nokia, based on a debian linux, to provide an alternative view on Mobile devices. It was R&D and from there came the Internet Tablets.
Trolltech, know as Qt since September 30th, doesn't provide "linux" software, it provides software development platforms and frameworks.
Maybe the reason Nokia bought Qt is that it provides Cross Platform application and UI framework.
Qt on windows, Qt on Mac, Qt on Linux...
How about Qt on Symbian?
Wouldn't that make sense?
I'd be surprised if that wouldn't bring quite a boost to Nokia's devices UI...
Unregistered wrote:My question is why did Nokia wants to get into Linux at all if Symbian is so powerful? Aren't Linux and Symbian competiting OS for the mobile phones? Nokia could have focused on its Symbian Foundation to bring out an integrated and powerful OS for the future smartphones.The truth is Nokia was forced to develop Maemo, an unrelated Linux distribution based on Debian, in order to deliver the company�s Internet Tablet simply because Symbian wasn�t up to the task!
I guess you know it all, therefore you probably know that Symbian comes from Epoc32 and that Epoc32 supported already "internet tablets", with Psion.
And by the way, the Symbian Foundation, that's only couple months old, compared to the N770 that released in 2005...
In the end, Symbian is far from dying and it's still a pretty good operating system 😊
It is no doubt that Symbian works, it has a very long feature list, and it's probably even the best smartphone OS available. But that was in 2007. Now with OS X and Android, Symbian looks pathetic in comparison. It has about run its course...
It is daunting and expensive task for Nokia to merge S60, UIQ and MOAP into a cohesive platform running on top of Symbian and ship it for free next year. Even though Nokia has a slim chance of making Symbian Foundation successful but the underlying technology of the new Symbian will not be able to match that of Android or OS X. It may be better for Nokia to check out Android and leave Symbian as it is.
Unregistered wrote:I guess you know it all, therefore you probably know that Symbian comes from Epoc32 and that Epoc32 supported already "internet tablets", with Psion.And by the way, the Symbian Foundation, that's only couple months old, compared to the N770 that released in 2005...
In the end, Symbian is far from dying and it's still a pretty good operating system 😊
Unregistered wrote: It is no doubt that Symbian works, it has a very long feature list, and it's probably even the best smartphone OS available. But that was in 2007. Now with OS X and Android, Symbian looks pathetic in comparison. It has about run its course...
So you have used Andriod a lot then? On what device was this, and where?
Your comments have absolutly nothing to support them other than your guesses. Its the most prevailent smartphone OS and its suddenly run its course because you dont think it can scale up?
Unregistered wrote:
It is daunting and expensive task for Nokia to merge S60, UIQ and MOAP into a cohesive platform running on top of Symbian and ship it for free next year. Even though Nokia has a slim chance of making Symbian Foundation successful but the underlying technology of the new Symbian will not be able to match that of Android or OS X. It may be better for Nokia to check out Android and leave Symbian as it is.
Duanting and expensive Nokia can do, they are a very large company with a lot of resources.
But your comparisions are laughable. How on earth can you say Symbian cannot match Android (which has not even been out in the wild for consumers yet) or OS X (which is only on one phone which has a LOT of features and functions missing)?
I think it would be wise to see what happens before making such sweeping, definate statements.
It is no doubt that Symbian market share has declined over the last few quarters. It is especially very weak in the North America market. Just google yourself and you'll find many reports about it.
A notable example is SE which has decided to dump symbian in favour of WM for its high end Xperia X1 smartphone. If symbian is so powerful, why did both SE and Nokia decide to use other OS for their X1 and N810 respectively. The latest news is that SE may going to use Android for the next version of X1.
bartmanekul wrote:So you have used Andriod a lot then? On what device was this, and where?Your comments have absolutly nothing to support them other than your guesses. Its the most prevailent smartphone OS and its suddenly run its course because you dont think it can scale up?
Duanting and expensive Nokia can do, they are a very large company with a lot of resources.
But your comparisions are laughable. How on earth can you say Symbian cannot match Android (which has not even been out in the wild for consumers yet) or OS X (which is only on one phone which has a LOT of features and functions missing)?
I think it would be wise to see what happens before making such sweeping, definate statements.
Perhaps you could supply the figures?
All I can find is that the sale of Nokia handsets going up by a fair amount, and retaining a large amount of the marketshare.
Here are 2 reports to convince you that Symbian's growth has started to slow:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080902-symbian-growth-takes-a-hit-as-platform-faces-transition.html
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9113979
You can find more such reports if you take some initiative to google for yourself? Do you want me to show you how to google, the developer of Android?
bartmanekul wrote:Perhaps you could supply the figures?All I can find is that the sale of Nokia handsets going up by a fair amount, and retaining a large amount of the marketshare.
So symbian is not in decline, like you made out.
It merely has less growth.
In the current climbate I would be impressed if the next result shows it still increasing on last years sales.
For someone to say that symbian has 'run its course' when its still improving on previous years sales, and has the market share is quite baffling.
As for googling, I feel that if someone makes up silly, off the cuff claims, its them who should do the googling.
And even the results you turned up give no backing to your 'run the course' claim.
You are still living in a state of denial. Why are you so protective of Symbian? If SE has abandoned Symbian for its highest end smartphone, what does this tell you?
Here is another more technical acticle about Symbian:
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/6856C375-FE4E-4BC8-B753-B48AF3BD8B30.html
No point to continue our debate, just wait for the next set of results from Symbian and you will know if Symbian's growth has really slowed or declined (whatever you call it).
bartmanekul wrote:So symbian is not in decline, like you made out.It merely has less growth.
In the current climbate I would be impressed if the next result shows it still increasing on last years sales.
For someone to say that symbian has 'run its course' when its still improving on previous years sales, and has the market share is quite baffling.
As for googling, I feel that if someone makes up silly, off the cuff claims, its them who should do the googling.
And even the results you turned up give no backing to your 'run the course' claim.
I am not protective, I simply think Symbian is here to stay. Its had a huge boom, and the fact it might be entering a downturn doesn't make me think its 'had its run'.
I still think that comment is bordering on the stupid, since Symbian is the OS used by the company with the biggest market share in mobile phones. And a few others.
So what about SE (who are not doing wonderfully at the moment I understand)?
What about samsung?
Lets wait for the next set of results, but its going to take a lot more than just falling figures to convince me its on the way out.
Perhaps the fall of Nokia?
I would like to know it has hand writing notes application like SE G900.(not hand writing recognition)
Tks.
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jpilomia wrote:Hi all,There will be two webinar sessions tomorrow hosted by Forum Nokia on S60 5th edition, the first at 9 a.m. London / 11 a.m. Helsinki / 4 p.m. Beijing - this one more technical - and another one at 11 a.m. San Francisco / 2 p.m. New York, this one with an introductory part. Good opportunity to check out what's new and get quick answers to your questions.
I'll also take on the EMEA (Helsinki) session with some news on the marketing side for those of you who join in. Information and registration at http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/technical_services/training/webinars.html -> Oct. 16th.
See you there!
Sounds like a really interesting topic Jana!
Don't miss the boat!
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Well, Bartmanekul, the lastest results on smartphones market has clearly shown that Symbian's market share has declined significantly from 68% in Q3 2007 to 46% in Q3 2008. As I have said in my earlier postings, the future for Symbian is not very good.
SE, Motorola, and many Japanese handset manufacturers have also announced that they will leave Symbian. Very sad for Symbian, indeed!
bartmanekul wrote:I am not protective, I simply think Symbian is here to stay. Its had a huge boom, and the fact it might be entering a downturn doesn't make me think its 'had its run'.I still think that comment is bordering on the stupid, since Symbian is the OS used by the company with the biggest market share in mobile phones. And a few others.
So what about SE (who are not doing wonderfully at the moment I understand)?
What about samsung?
Lets wait for the next set of results, but its going to take a lot more than just falling figures to convince me its on the way out.
Perhaps the fall of Nokia?