I can see why some people may doubt the results of this, or have wanted to see other phones tested as well. However, there's got to be a sensible limit as to where to stop.
The basic truth is that the 8MP sensors used in the i8510 and in the c905 have been proven by lots of reviewers to be the best sensors on the market. (in terms of camera phones, before anyone argues)
Of course different phones are going to have different strengths and weaknesses, and the ultimate test has to be how well the camera part and the phone part of a device integrate with each other, and how good the overall device experience is. It is fair to say, in this regard, that Sumsung have got it just about right with the i8510. The reason you haven't seen an AAS review of the phone yet is that the (considerable) number of people involved in AAS who have an i8510 are all waiting for Samsung to start releasing firmware updates before we put the phone head to head with some far more mature products (such as the N95 8GB). Having said that, even as it stands now, the i8510 gives all other S60 phones a very good run for their money!
i own those devices[except 93] just want to say that on g810 everyone must set up wb and color saturation manulaly then results are more better,it's like a dig camera so settings must be done properly before ,u can't shoot like a cowboy,the same story innov8 also flash on my g810 gives good results so i do not know how he could shoot that picture,maybe with finger on it 'cos that guy is nokia fan.?my test:innov,g810,82,the worst cameras ever 95 and viewty
in my opinion the innov8 is not the best, it has good detail and not very noisy pictures but its colors are not true to life, like they have enhanced on a pc and it has no xenon flash (only good 50% of the time, too bad when its night time) how can it be considered the best camera phone without one, how many proper stand alone cameras have a led flash? I would have to go for the n82 overall its the closest one to a stand alone camera of the bunch.
Unregistered wrote:in my opinion the innov8 is not the best, it has good detail and not very noisy pictures but its colors are not true to life, like they have enhanced on a pc and it has no xenon flash (only good 50% of the time, too bad when its night time) how can it be considered the best camera phone without one, how many proper stand alone cameras have a led flash? I would have to go for the n82 overall its the closest one to a stand alone camera of the bunch.
But it's been proven that having a Xeon flash is not the be all and end all of a good camera.
Yes, the i8510's pictures have possibly slightly over-rich colours, but in the vast majority of cases these colours are not harsh.
I went from an n73 to an n82. The n73 took greaqt photos in perfect lighting conditions but it was horribly slow to take a photo and any less than ideal lighting took really cruddy photos. Owning the n82 now I could never go back to a phone without a powerful xenon.
My friends N95 8gb, still takes quite long to take the photo. N82, point click - done! Closest thing to a stand alone camera. I would place the n82 at the top unless most of your photos are taken outdoors when subjects are stationary.
Why the close-up mode pic of n82 is that bad?!? I never saw that kind of bad close-up mode with my N82! The xenon makes N82 to take a perfect close-up pic. I don’t understand! Wat firmware was the N82 or wat settings was on it?
stuclark wrote:But it's been proven that having a Xeon flash is not the be all and end all of a good camera.Yes, the i8510's pictures have possibly slightly over-rich colours, but in the vast majority of cases these colours are not harsh.
sure its not the be all and end all but its a pretty major must have, whats the point of having a great camera that can only take good photos outside in daylight
First of all, I must thank you for your review, because taking shots almost similar in nature takes a lot of time investment. Furthermore, it is very difficult to judge the best cameraphone or atleast the phone that suits your daily needs if you are to purchase one, at a retail store. Either you go by instincts, brand, service or last but not the least "features". As I have been using Nokia n82 since April 2008, I beg to differ in my opinion in the macro shot that was taken by the N82 module. It takes a lot better pics than that. However, as it was mentioned in some of the previous comments that night pics is something where u usually miss your digital camera with a powerful flash and N82 is more than sufficient there. It is always preferable to take day shots with a dedicated camera as it would give a detailed and more natural result. Samsung Innov8 is a very good phone with exceptional camera and music qualities, but it will cost you a fortune !!!Considering the overall experience one can safely buy nokia N82 with a lot of features made available and leave alone the scope of innumerous softwares that you can add to phone according to your taste. Mobile phones have to take two or three steps forward to completely emulate dedicated music players or cameraphones.
Hi Steve and the rest. Here are two nearly identical picture of the N82 and the N95. Note particular the nearly identical lensflare in the lower right corner:
N95
N82
The N82 shot is 80 kB smaller than the N95 (1.59 MB). The full downloads can be gotten from share.ovi if you click on the images. But if you look at the shadow of the three you can see the difference is mainly due to a change in cloudcover between both images. EXIF data (shutter, aperture, sensitivity etc. looks identical unless I missed something). I do think however the image quality is very compatible, more than Steve shots do. The slightly stronger edge enhancement of the N82 seems to do better work in the shades. Then again it could be a difference in illumination. I think the differences between both Nokia's are marginally looking at the shots. Any difference in mush is mostly likely the cause of slightly different images leading to different jpeg compression results. In both images of Steve's images as well as mine. BTW: The images on share.ovi.com have the identical number of bytes as the ones on the harddrive at home, most likely no extra compression by share.ovi.com.
snoyt wrote:Hi Steve and the rest. Here are two nearly identical picture of the N82 and the N95. Note particular the nearly identical lensflare in the lower right corner:N95
N82
The N82 shot is 80 kB smaller than the N95 (1.59 MB). The full downloads can be gotten from share.ovi if you click on the images. But if you look at the shadow of the three you can see the difference is mainly due to a change in cloudcover between both images. EXIF data (shutter, aperture, sensitivity etc. looks identical unless I missed something). I do think however the image quality is very compatible, more than Steve shots do. The slightly stronger edge enhancement of the N82 seems to do better work in the shades. Then again it could be a difference in illumination. I think the differences between both Nokia's are marginally looking at the shots. Any difference in mush is mostly likely the cause of slightly different images leading to different jpeg compression results. In both images of Steve's images as well as mine. BTW: The images on share.ovi.com have the identical number of bytes as the ones on the harddrive at home, most likely no extra compression by share.ovi.com.
great example, this illustrates my previous point about test results varying depending the phone (or other variables) in you test the n82 looks like it has marginally better colors/contrast
snoyt wrote:Hi Steve and the rest. Here are two nearly identical picture of the N82 and the N95. Note particular the nearly identical lensflare in the lower right corner:N95
N82
The N82 shot is 80 kB smaller than the N95 (1.59 MB). The full downloads can be gotten from share.ovi if you click on the images. But if you look at the shadow of the three you can see the difference is mainly due to a change in cloudcover between both images. EXIF data (shutter, aperture, sensitivity etc. looks identical unless I missed something). I do think however the image quality is very compatible, more than Steve shots do. The slightly stronger edge enhancement of the N82 seems to do better work in the shades. Then again it could be a difference in illumination. I think the differences between both Nokia's are marginally looking at the shots. Any difference in mush is mostly likely the cause of slightly different images leading to different jpeg compression results. In both images of Steve's images as well as mine. BTW: The images on share.ovi.com have the identical number of bytes as the ones on the harddrive at home, most likely no extra compression by share.ovi.com.
great example, this illustrates my previous point about test results varying depending the phone (or other variables) in your test the n82 looks like it has marginally better colors/contrast
i owe n82 i still belive its the best in 5 mp margin for day + night pics .., the samsung scores better at day fotos but i didn't like its fake colors ..
The Macro Shot taken for the car is the worst i've ever seen i don' think thats its focused at all ... i ithink anyone could take much better macro shots than that one ! thats not n82 macro shot at all !
Another thing untill a good Powerfull xenon is found except my n82 i gonna stick with it ..m whats the use of not taking pictures at night at all with timy led lights!!!! EVEN IF n82 quality is the worst its night capabilities makes it the first choice
Me myself would go with samsung if only it got n82's xenon 😃
I am travelling at the moment and some of the practical things that affect the photos that I'm taking with my mobiles include:
* visibility of the screen, some screens are close to invisible if there is sun in the sky
* moving subjects, (e.g. horse drawn vehicle on a city street), some phones have a huge lag between clicking and the picture being taken
* awkwardness of camera sleep mode - I have the camera mode selected how many key presses or actions (e.g. sliding open then closed) do I have to fumble through when I find another subject I want to photograph. (E.g. in a park taking pictures of different trees & flowers.)
Just some things that could be reviewed next time! 😊
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We can only hope Nokia reads this and realizes that the masses want a camera phone that can take clear, realistic pictures, with none of the mush seem on both the N95 and N82. It is a little sad to see the N82 produce mushy results, especially when it has the potential to do so well with its Xenon flash.
The key is to make use a sensor that already has lower noise rather than trying to fix it using software noise reduction, which clearly Nokia has no idea on how to apply it without mushing up the images finer details.
What I do not understand, is how the Nokia N93 was able to achieve excellent real 3.2MP images, with excellent color rendition, ie none of this color tinting we get starting with the N73 with blue tint and the N95 with purple tint. We all know the tint issue was never resolved, rather newer firmwares addressed this issue which literally removed the tinting by software processing the image before we get to see the image.
If I had my way, I would reuse the camera software and sensor from the N93 and couple that with a nice fixed focal length 28mm equivalent lens with fast aperture f2.0 from Carl Zeiss replacing the zoom lens. This would make the ultimate camera phone ever!
MAzor