Where is Sync on the Nokia 5800? Read this article to find out...

A better question would be: "why use Sync at all when it doesn't really work properly"?

Ovi Sync is one serious disaster. If you want your contacts and calendars messed up, by all means use it. I will stick iSync as it is proven to work and currently supported. How can Nokia release a phone and not have support for it on Ovi. I refer to the E75.

Sapporobaby, the Sync application isn't just for Ovi, it works with other sync providers too. For example if I go to "Change Sync Profile" in the Sync app, I get a choice of Ovi Sync, Saunalahti Sync, PC Suite Sync. (Saunalahti is a Finnish phone network operator.)

Even if you're not using Ovi, finding the phone's Sync application would still be useful, and it's annoying that Nokia have hidden the app so well.

(For what it's worth, Ovi Sync has worked fine with my 5800.)

i dont know the english menu entries but the sync app could be found under:

settings -> connections -> data transfer -> sync ...

"There, easy when you know how!"

You call that easy? That's one of usability disasters in S60 5.0. Noone can find sync when buried so deep in menus. In fact sync should be automatic both ways so user never need to worry if data is up to date.

@tzer2,

I know Saunalahti. Some of the Marines here in the embassy use it. It is just another MVNO. My concerns with Ovi are in regard to Nokia not having the service support some of its high-end handset (E75), nor the soon to be launched N97. How can not Nokia really make the claim that they are moving into services when the services simply are not there? Nokia should either make the decision to invest and really offer something of value or they should simply give up.

FWIW: The problems with Ovi syncing have been mentioned on several forums, even the official Nokia forum. If yours works, you are a lucky man.

What are all these so called problems with Ovi sync? Mine has been 100% perfect and synchronisation is also in the menus for the apps (for example contacts). It has always been straightforward. One of the biggest problems that Nokia face is all the people that seem to make everything difficult for themselves are the same type that are always moaning on the internet. Nokia need to find out who they are and blacklist them (make them buy a different phone).

I just asked my 8 year old to sync my phone, as an experiment. Took him about 30 seconds to work it out.

Duh!

I believe nokia needs feedback, even if mostly criticism... buying their phone is already a good enough compliment! i have a 5800... not long ago a tried to sync t phone. at first, it seemed to work well, but later i found out it didnt sync t FIXED-LINE phone numbers (home, work) I had in afew contacts. this is not acceptable, especially when nokia guarantees t ovi sync as a back up! after noticing that, i have not check in each contact of mine whether all their data were transfered, as i am not able to trust the service anymore for now..

Unregistered wrote:What are all these so called problems with Ovi sync? Mine has been 100% perfect and synchronisation is also in the menus for the apps (for example contacts). It has always been straightforward. One of the biggest problems that Nokia face is all the people that seem to make everything difficult for themselves are the same type that are always moaning on the internet. Nokia need to find out who they are and blacklist them (make them buy a different phone).

I just asked my 8 year old to sync my phone, as an experiment. Took him about 30 seconds to work it out.

Duh!

My vote for the stupidest post and poster on the entire Internet (all of it). Why hide in the shadows of anonymity be proud and stupid in public.

mjbr wrote:I believe nokia needs feedback, even if mostly criticism... buying their phone is already a good enough compliment! i have a 5800... not long ago a tried to sync t phone. at first, it seemed to work well, but later i found out it didnt sync t FIXED-LINE phone numbers (home, work) I had in afew contacts. this is not acceptable, especially when nokia guarantees t ovi sync as a back up! after noticing that, i have not check in each contact of mine whether all their data were transfered, as i am not able to trust the service anymore for now..

Your post pretty much sums it up. Ovi is not a reliable backup of data. Sometimes telephone number completely disappear or contacts all together. Not to mention the site outages. Ovi is fine I guess as long as Nokia does not decide to start charging money for it. Ovi is not ready for prime time.

sapporobaby wrote:My vote for the stupidest post and poster on the entire Internet (all of it). Why hide in the shadows of anonymity be proud and stupid in public.

And your real name is sapporobaby right? Duh! I think you just stole the stupidest post prize.

Your reaction is a common one for people who have been stung by the truth. My post was tongue in cheek but your response shows I was closer to the truth than I thought.

And this whole hackneyed forum standard bleat about anonymity is really tired these days. It is so easy to put up any old name and post under it, I've no way of knowing who anybody really is so everybody is anonymous.

Especially 'sapporobaby'. The last four letters would seem rather appropriate though.

JohnBoyWalton wrote:And your real name is sapporobaby right? Duh! I think you just stole the stupidest post prize.

Your reaction is a common one for people who have been stung by the truth. My post was tongue in cheek but your response shows I was closer to the truth than I thought.

And this whole hackneyed forum standard bleat about anonymity is really tired these days. It is so easy to put up any old name and post under it, I've no way of knowing who anybody really is so everybody is anonymous.

Especially 'sapporobaby'. The last four letters would seem rather appropriate though.

Wait are you actually that 8 year old you mentioned? You can spill the beans. Your worthless, and I am being generous here, comment about Ovi working applies to you and your experiences. In this forum I will tend to trust Tzer2 or Steve, or others with a bit more credibility (sorry you didn't make it). Maybe it is that sound you make when you look in the mirror. You know, "Duh!". Anyway, I think I explained my experiences with Ovi pretty well as did another poster who seemed to echo the same issues I am having. So, before you get in over your head, stay out of the deep end of the pool jBOYw. Class dismissed.

Bully for you. Aren't you clever?

I had no problem actually getting Ovi sync to work, except that after it had done, my Ovi calendar was suspiciously empty; that's the sort of reliability issues people are complaining about, not whether an 8 year old can actually carry out the necessary steps...

So, on an E90, it is quite easy to carry out a sync, but reliable it ain't!

Hopefully Nokia will fix Ovi so that it represents more phones and become more stable.

sapporobaby, are you a complete idiot on every forum you visit?

Great article by the way, keep it up AAS!

At least he provides a name rather than talking crap from an unregistered login. Kinda like me huh...

By the way, can you or any of the others here prove him or the other posters wrong about Ovi or are you just gonna sit around like a bunch of girls and talk about it?

sapporobaby you really are pathetic backing yourself up using an unregistered alter ego

Wow. All this because Ovi does not work right and I pointed it out? By all means unregistered and JBW are invited to prove me wrong oaf where I have made a mistake about Obi. Please site facts.

People ignore the cry baby! ovi sync rocks as long as you have half a brain to use it correctly.

The people that have the most problems are the idiots that use more than one sync service on a regular basis, particularly isync. Two way syncing with more than one service is guaranteed to cause trouble.

People ignore the cry baby! ovi sync rocks as long as you have half a brain to use it correctly.

The people that have the most problems are the idiots that use more than one sync service on a regular basis, particularly isync. Two way syncing with more than one service is guaranteed to cause trouble.

So people who use more than one sync method are idiots are they; how very enlightened of you. I suspect that you are not half as clever as you think you are.

I have always done one way syncing with Ovi, and only recently has the Ovi calendar started to look anything like complete... and no matter what I do, Ovi refuses to sync over 3G, only working over WiFi. I'm not saying Ovi sync is bad, but it still needs work. And, unlike you, I do have more than half a brain...

Hi jimmyi,

Thanks for getting a day pass from living up someone's butt to stop by but I do not need anyone to back me up. As I said from the beginning, Ovi syncing problems have been reported on more than just this site. Second, Nokia releases phones that are not supported in their own service. Can you explain this Obi Wan? Ovi has been reported to delete cal entries, remove contacts, remove contact data, or all three. I guess this is because people simply do not know how to use it right? Considering I have made tests with several phones, and not to mention again that fact that some people are saying the same things on other threads, your opinion pretty much does not count.

Oh, are you sure I'm not Buster too? Or I could even be JohnGirlWalton with a schizo problem that just likes to pick fights with myself. Maybe this is not really me now. We have no way to prove who I am. I could be jimmyi picking a fight over the fact that I am correct about Ovi not working properly, but I am using one on my many aliases (passports included) to throw everyone off in this thread. Darn, I just figured me out.

ovirocks wrote:People ignore the cry baby! ovi sync rocks as long as you have half a brain to use it correctly.

The people that have the most problems are the idiots that use more than one sync service on a regular basis, particularly isync. Two way syncing with more than one service is guaranteed to cause trouble.

Another post from an advanced intellect I see. Hey Einstein, I did not say Ovi does not work, I said it does not work for me, and a few other people. Is the reading gene missing in your family? Tzer2 posted, correctly that Ovi works, and if he says so, I will believe him no questions asked. However, just because an anon person, or is this jimmyi, or JBW, or all three says it works does not make it so. As you and a few others seem to have reading and possible comprehension problems, I will go slowly. Ovi does not work for me....

There you go. Next time I will do pictures for you.

Oh and now that this issue has taken a life of its own, how about you geniuses that have Ovi working, provide a fix or at least an explanation for the underclass who have problems with it. Surely you do not mind sharing your infinite wisdom with the rest of the world.

Hey sappybaby, so it is true that you make a fool of yourself everywhere you go on the internet.

Get a life you sad old cyber hard man.

suckorobaby wrote:Hey sappybaby, so it is true that you make a fool of yourself everywhere you go on the internet.

Get a life you sad old cyber hard man.

Got a life and money to boot so I can't be doing that badly. At least I am not afraid to show myself rather than hiding in the shadows. If I have something to say I say it out in public. That much can't be said of you though huh? Don't like what I say: FOESAD. Still none of the whiners here have provided a solution for the other poster or myself but have come here to rag on me. Funny thing is, you know I can take it as well as give it so if you want to get your feelings hurt take another shot.

Got to love the 'baby. Wind him up and watch him go and go and go and ......... Hours of entertainment from something so simple!

Goodness me - too many e-numbers everyone??

Here are my thoughts - oh and I am Jason for all those who worry about the fact I can't be bothered to register for one post...

Ovi is a shocker - it is clear as day - and I am sure Nokia are well aware of it. Here are my gripes:

1) I know certain apps are in the store - such as Vringo - but the search can't find them? I typed 'Full screen video ringtone' into google and one of the first links was titled Skyecaller Pro II and the link was to nokia.software.com (or something). Clicked the link and it went to the Ovi store, but not to the appropriate page or app and the search engine can't find the app - that is really poor.

2) I just signed up for Ovi and I got the settings message and saved it and Ovi was not on the menu advised by Nokia. Also terrible. Maybe they all have iPhones.

3) Burying the Sync app is ridiculous but then the entire menu system is terrible. What amazes me is they even had the iPhone to copy and they still made a terrible UI. Whoever signed off on the UI at Symbian and Nokia should be in some other job that has nothing to do with user experience. The Series 60 UI has got worse over time, not better, how is that possible from one of the biggest tech companies in the world?

4) Very few apps give me any clue what they do on the main page and I really can't dig into each one to find out - life is too short.

4) Let's assume I am (a) Stupid (b) Have no fingers (c) Never used a phone before - Bottom line is I am still a customer so anyone who is having trouble with Ovi or Sync or anything else has a perfectly valid complaint and should not be insulted.

As for the 8 year old - I've done a lot of GUI research in my time and believe me, 8-10 year olds are way faster than adults on that stuff!

Anyway - anyone who thinks Ovi is acceptable should have a quick spin on the Apple App store using an iPhone - as user excperiences go, Ovi is not even close.

Finally a note to Sapporobaby - do you really have nothing better to do than fire derisive text into the ether? Really what is the point? - I would genuinely appreciate an explanation because I honestly don't get it.

BIG LOVE!

Jason

thanx babe, for a nice time entertaining all of us by making yourself an idiot.. keep going..!!