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Trying to view i8910-encoded 1280x720 HD content on a �Full HD� Samsung LCD

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Trying to view i8910 encoded 1280x720 HD recorded content on a �Full HD� Samsung LCD TV (A656 series)

*sigh* my journey continues � this is proving difficult.
In one of my other threads in this forum, I discussed how I was unable to DLNA serve any .mp4v-es (that is 320x240, or 640x480, 720x480(D1), 1280x720; with AMR 8kHz (yes, 8 kHz I believe, truly medieval) file through router to my PS3 via the DLNA wireless standard. So�

Aim: � Can I ever see the Omnia i8910�s camera�s recorded 1280x720 .mp4v-es (AMR audio) 7.5 mbps stream on my Samsung A656 series LCD TV bought last year?

Result: Here is my journey during the last three hours�
1. I build a home theatre PC from scratch (I am a professional who uses IT/networks, my selfbuild record is 75 mins), Intel quad-core with a X4500 chipset and HDMI, (2gb/1TB). Now, freshly install XP (already slipstreamed (nLite) with SP3 plus updates+Firefox etc.), +update this month�s security updates, add antivirus, go online via a 802.11g router.
2. Record 4 test movies outside in the street on the i8910 (5secs each) at each of the 4 resolutions the i8910 supports = plenty of sounds and moving content.
3. Configure PC�s display to 1920x1080, also 1360x768 works. Play a Blu-ray. All fine. Everything works.
4. Download the latest Samsung PC studio � first interesting thing to note: on the Samsung UK support site and filename it is version 7.2.18.9, but on installation it installs as 7.2.20.3 in the dialogues, mmm� that is slack (?), and watch as i8910 driver software installs ok.
5. Connect i8910 via micro-USB to full USB cable. I8910 connects and is seen by Samsung PC studio.
6. To be �safe� I copy over the 4 i8910 .mp4 files onto the desktop.
7. I double click the 320x240 file; it is associated already under its .mp4 tag to Samsung PC Studio. Yay! It works � Audio and Video, but what�s this? Samsung�s PC Studio�s multimedia viewer program does not auto-size the image to 4:3 and it plays back in a very odd manner, not even widescreen, but squashed vertically. Look into the program�s options, fix this � but it doesn�t remember it! BORING. *bug*
8. So � everytime you open a new .mp4 in the Samsung Studio program�s multimedia viewer, you must resize it to 100%. Irritating.
9. 640x480, plays fine; 720x480, plays fine � now, here it comes� oh! The SOUND is so AWFUL � it really is bad. Now I have it up on the LCD TV itself this is incredibly poor. What went wrong here, Samsung? It is 8 kHz let�s face it, do you remember that? My first music sampler in 1987 (1987!) ran at 8 kHz in its WORST setting, it even did 4 secs at 44.1 kHz mono back then. There is not even proper lip sync. The movie also stutters a little bit.

I am shocked.

10. I try the 1280x720 HD ready .mp4 file, as popularised by Samsung and, arguably, the handset�s strongest marketing feature (Samsung�s own commercial, see elsewhere + a major feature how this handset differentiates itself from the current mobile phone market) -

Yes, you guessed it, it doesn�t even play with Samsung�s own PC studio software installed. Nothing, just a great big crash of the software and the �send report� to M$ appears. Amazing. I am shocked for the second time.

OK. Install Nero 7 that came with the Blu-ray. Showtime 3. The 1280x720 file� here we go� no picture! But the bad audio exists! Well, at least I heard something. (ok, I know, other newer versions of Nero exist, but I can�t risk buying more software for this test)

Next up, download and install the latest VLC 0.9.x.
Yay! I see a picture!!! But� NO sound (which is probably a good thing as 8kHz AMR sounds awful.

VLC reports:
Audio � decoded blocks � 0
No suitable decoder module:
VLC does not support the audio or video format �samr�. Unfortunately there is no way for you to fix this.

Video � decode blocks 184 / Displayed frames 180, lost frames � 0.

10,794 kb Read, input bitrate 6,719 kb/s; demuxed 10,275 kb/s; stream rate (in this case) was 7,872 kbps.
This was ~ a 8 second clip.

Shocked again� � the picture quality was also poor � stuttering slightly every ~ 0.25 sec throughout the 8 sec.
It certainly does not look smooth as the advertised 24 fps.

Conclusion:
As an End-user this is proving a nightmare to get the 1280x720 working, not even with Samsung�s own PC Studio software. I WILL beat it & let you know how I get on.
Sure, I can spend the next few evenings honing my conversion skills, but I really shouldn�t have to.
I give up for today, and look into how to convert .mp4-amr to .mp4-aac, but please, if anyone out there can point me to a posting which gives me a howto, then I will stop these posts!

Let me be frank. I am fortunate enough to own and be able to record HD video using Canon technology, etc., but if Samsung promises me HD recording and I am in the market for a new �premium� mobile phone, I do not expect Canon results, but at least I expect it to work �easily� and, in addition, not use a sound codec that was popular in the early 1980s.
But thanks again to Samsung, it is a great premium product in other respects, but let�s add that �icing to the cake�! (the cake being an outlay of anywhere between 450-900 GBP depending on contract or otherwise)

Finally! Quicktime player is needed to view the i8910's 1280x720 files. So, my journey is complete.

Conclusion:
My solution to view the Omnia i8910's HD recorded video files was a Home Theatre PC running XP, coupled to the Quicktime player, viewed over HDMI to a one year old Samsung LCD TV. For this, you will 'enjoy' 20 fps video and 8 kHz low quality sound (overall, it is not really viable in practical use). For a mobile phone this is an excellent achievement in itself, but it remains a gimmick. Samsung, oh... so close! All the best for the next generation!

Excellent post! Thanks, I have had a lot of questions about this. Do you mind if i reuse your material with credit?

scrioccokid: of course! and thank you. I hope my posts are of interest and I look forward to being corrected or helped because of them.

Update:
This morning, my pre-breakfast excitement - using my aging 4 year old laptop to repeat the tests of above.

Test equipment:
Samsung i8910 HD to a laptop (4 years old, single core Intel 1.7 Ghz, 1gb/60gb 7,200rpm, ATI9700 graphics to its built-in 17" Full HD 1920x1200 (the first of its kind at the time in a laptop 😉 and very nice it still is) running XP (SP3+all updates)

Once again, only Quicktime can playback my ~ 10mb size 8 second .mp4-amr file. NB on the i8910 this file is called a .mp4v-es (?) but I am calling it .mp4-amr to clearly indicate that the sound is using an 8 kHz AMR codec (still shocked at this!).

Test files:
i8910.mp4-amr @ 10,794 kb; 1280x720 pixel count

Result:
Quicktime: Playback looks the same as my Quad-core Intel hooked up via HDMI to my Samsung Full HD LCD TV (A656 series). It is certainly not 24 fps and the sound remains dire, even through my laptop's speakers. All whine-sounding and wishy-washy. I've since read elsewhere they chose 8 kHz AMR as it was a compromise to ensure the sound of the human voice came through ok, however, I find this no justification as an end-user who is dismayed at how poor the sound is. I am guessing no more than 20 fps; jerky, stuttery panning etc. No sustained Lip-sync. Very odd to watch. Impractical.

VLC:
As above, VLC refuses to playback a 'samr' encoded file, but will show you the video if forced. I don't know how to fix this for VLC (the program itself says you can't), I am not a developer, just want to easily get my i8910 encoded .mp4s to playback. Anyhow, at least VLC gives me some values:

VLC reports:
Audio, decoded blocks - 0 (zero); of course, it can't understand the AMR part of the i8910 mp4.

Video - decoded blocks 183, lost frames 3. So, my old laptop has dropped 3 frames.

Read - 10,749 kb; input bitrate 4,886 kbps; demuxed 10,275 kb; stream bitrate 7,821 kbps

These values are slightly different from those gained on my quad-core HTPC above, but the practical outcome (visual/aural enjoyment) remains at the same poor quality level.

Conclusion:
Today I will continue to interact with Samsung UK when I can and report back tonight after work. Please note, that I view this as free consultancy for Samsung, and on top of that, I must dial a 0845 telephone number to their support centre - in the UK this costs up to 8p/minute I believe; so, in effect, I am paying for my own beta-testing on this issue. Today I will request a call-back. All my choice, but this is the only way I think we might achieve a) a firmware upgrade or b) a better next generation mobile.

PPS For those of you who think I am being over-sensitive to the deficiency of the HD recording capabilities, that's fine. Do let me know if I may have a defective handset in this regard.
But who drives forward new technology? Yes, it is us!
You buy a new Ferrari, you look at the wonder of its lines, it looks good, you rev up the engine, it sounds good, the engine purrs as you take great photos of it, but then, wait, you find its 3rd gear is broken... and it is clearly advertised it can do 0-60 in 5 secs... 😊
IMHO in analogy:
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=mobilephones&type=mobilephones&subtype=bar&model_cd=GT-I8910DKAXEN

PPPS my firmware is xxIE2 .... ? not IE4 or IE6. Again, I will report back if it turns out I have a problem, either in expertise, knowledge, or handset. I will report back what Samsung UK suggest advise I must do to solve these observations.

Let me draw this thread to the following page:
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=mobilephones&type=mobilephones&subtype=bar&model_cd=GT-I8910DKAXEN

I quote the first two lines under a picture that clearly wishes you to think that the i8910 is an LCD TV:

"Samsung's I8910 HD leaves nothing to be desired. It shoots video in full HD and photos with 8MP."

My comments:
1) Full HD in my opinion is 1920 x 1080 (i/p). "HD ready" was/is a term used in the UK for 1280 x 720 (i/p).

In my view, I correct Samsung UK: The i8910 shoots video (unsuccessfully, in poor quality) at the "HD ready" resolution of 1280 x 720. So far I have only been able to view the i8910 recorded video content on my LCD TV at no more than 20 fps at best at low audio quality (8kHz)

2) The image displayed on Samsung's UK site eludes to the fact that you should be able to view your captured i8910 movies on your LCD TV. I will be very interested to know who has managed to achieve this and with what level of effort. Do I have to spend another 2000 gbp within the year to buy the latest Samsung OLED TV with built-in custom DLNA to achieve this? I guess Samsung would say yes!

3) From reading other parts of the Samsung UK webpage, do realise that you must PAY an extra subscription to have turn-by-turn voice navigation in Route 66 (my handset says it costs 0.99 euro/day; 4.99/week; 8.99/month; 69.99/year; 89.99/two years - just for that route ?!? Am I wrong here?)
and you must PAY to edit documents in Quick Office! & guess what - my i8910 has just failed to download the price list from QuickOffice servers so I can't even buy a licence! Hopeless. Coming from WM6.1 this is annoying.

Conclusion:
Be aware.

Samsung's logo "Touch the HD Brilliance"
*HD - stands for Highly Dubious? LOL well, certainly for me as I write regarding its 'Full HD recording' capabilities.

Update:

I have spoken to Samsung UK customer services for ~one hour in total, and to several different people. They provided an excellent service and I encourage anyone reading this post to interact with them if needs be. However, they themselves were unable to advise me on how I can successfully achieve the above. They confirmed they had received other consumers 'comments' relating to the above advertised features. They advised me to wait for a firmware update, which may or may not be relevant to my Orange branded handset, and may or may not improve the current movie recording / DLNA connectivity. However, they did pass on my detailed comments to their relevant departments. At this time, they were also unable to provide me with part numbers for any Wireless DLNA dongle, HDTV-out cable and could not confirm if any of these solutions actually worked.

This i8910 is not trivial money to me or any company and I expect a certain level of product delivery. If other people don't mind, have lower expectations, etc. and buy this product for other purposes, then that's cool by me, too!
I always give my full feedback to companies I deal with as this is what pushes technology and customer service forward.
Cheers!

Thank you for the excellent Review . I'll be waiting for a revised Hyundai Pony ....

😊 Regards jApi NL

Thank you for your review on how to connect the phone to a HDTV.
I started off by uploading my video's to my laptop and connecting the laptop to my TV using a VGA cable.

but i have now found another option (which is very efficient) is using a Playstation 3. Just copy the recorded video file to the PS3 using USB connection.

Originally i thought that it is a bit annoying that there isnt just some sort of HD output cable for the phone, but then i realised that the only time i am viewing a HD vid is either on my laptop (streaming via the internet) or watching a blu ray movie. and both of these are achievable using this phone. (bearing in mind you have a Blue ray recording drive).

Although you are right about the video quality and framerate not being brilliant, i do still like the video quality and the latest firmare has improved the sound recording quality (aac).

@Retro_64
Thanks for the kind words and tip on USB cable connection to PS3 - glad to hear that the .mp4 (aac) from the i8910 camera plays back in some form. NB My Connected at home DLNA app broke as well a few months ago and I never tried again when I was on xxII1 (.mp4-aac).... Well, I have just reverted back to Orange Jun23_09 firmware (see other posts) as I found the xxII1 Italian started to slow down - difficult to explain, it took a few weeks... in the end, the 'HD' quality is just too stuttery (fps) and soft (is it just software interpolated up from SD quality !? I reckon it is) for me to use it at all. So IMHO the 'HD' functions remains 'vapourware' in practical use.
Question to all: Has anyone really achieved a decent 'HD' (ahem) all round experience like the Samsung adverts show?
[my reloaded older Orange firmware, Opera Mobile 10 beta really does zip along very nicely! much quicker than last week on my handset + xxII1 😮 ] To be honest, I can't even be bothered to mess about with the HD/PS3/i8910 stuff ! It's just never be good enough IMO.