Let me add my voice to the growing discontent

I never trust a word of a nokia review thats been wrote by an iphone owner. They never have much good to say about anything nokia.

From what i've read in other reviews, the screen has been said to be better and more responsive than the 5800xm screen, which i don't have a problem with at all.

I bought a sim free iphone 3g from play around 2 months ago. This slowly became my second phone and over the past month it has since become fully redundant.

I bought a Nokia E75 and this probably been my best nokia phone to date. Yes it has it flaws but I am really likeing it overall.

The Nokia N97 will never compete on the level the iphone does, A lot of poeple using ipods got an iphone to carry less devices. One thing I have to say after testing the N97 in london comparing screens the iphone is far superior to the Nokia.

On the plus it is better than the 5800 so it is a step in the right direction. Nokia have really underachieved with this unit but it will still do well like most Nokia handsets.

I have no problem with people disagreeing with my viewpoint on the phone, but to dismiss the complaints because I own an IPhone is simply inaccurate.

My summation clearly points out that for sometime my primary phone has been a Nokia, the Nokia N95 for the last year.

I own a G1, and IPhone, and several other phones which I use for development as I am the cofounder of a firm that develops software for cell phones. We have several models for the purpose of testing our software and we have in the past developed software targeted at the Symbian OS (though based on customer demand we are no longer working with that OS).

No one was as disappointed as I about at the numerous deficiencies in the N97. I did, in fact, preorder the device considerably in advance and was very much looking forward to it. I am NOT under contract with AT&T and could have bought the new IPhone 3G S for $200, MUCH less than I paid for the N97.

I would like to suggest that if you disagree with what I have written, argue the actual points rather than dismiss the entire article based on your false assumptions.

Further, based on your post I take it you have not actually used the N97. Please test the device and then share your thoughts with us.

Meh. Whinge whinge whinge.

You talk about objectivity and then compare the subsidised price of an Apple iPhone to the unsubsidised price of the Nokia N97.

In the UK, O2 are doing a 16 Gig iPhone 3GS on an 18 month contract, �45 per month with a �87 iPhone. Vodafone, are doing an 18 month contract for an N97 32 Gig, �45 a month, an with a free phone!

It's so easy to dig up criticisms of all operating systems. Some off the top of my head about Google Android (HTC Magic) and Apple iPhone (3G)

Where's the flash?
Why is the keyboard on both devices unusable for anybody other than a surgeon with tiny tiny fingers?
How long will the HTC Magic record video for? Android won't tell you!
Where's the Bluetooth file transfer utility on Android? Oh it doesn't have one.
Do either of these phones have SIP Support? Native? Built in?
DivX?
What in the hell is tethering?
Where's cut and paste?
MMS?
Video recording? Coming up?
Where's the iPhones SD Card slot?
Programs running in the background?

For all those reasons and several more besides, there are some people that couldn't recommend an iPhone or Android.

At the end of the day, you have a phone that fits what you need to do.

For many of us, the N97 will do what the iPhone or Android will not do.

Yes if the N97 beefed up the processor, added a xenon flash as well, went with a capacitive screen and improved the resolution, then it would be an awful lot better. If the UI looked a little nicer, then we'd have a huge winner.

But er, hang on, are those the only real criticisms?

Cya
Simon

WOO! Go sjdean! *mexican wave* :top:

*cough* ...anyway...

A friend of mine at work has an old B&W Nokia. No MMS. No video calling (No camera, for that matter). No keyboard. No bluetooth. No multi-tasking, and so on. Yet I don't criticise her decision to stick to it. Why? Because it does what she wants: Calls and texts. If you ask me, if the iPhone suits you... great! If you find the Andriod does what you want to do better... sorted! If the N97 is more to your needs... go for it! Everyone is different, otherwise we'd all be using the same phone and life would be very boring 😃

The problem that we have here is that many *many* of the users on these forums will find that Nokia phones are more to their liking than, say, iPhones or Androids (myself included), so generally negative reviews will spark off arguments. Another problem that I have noticed is that, usually, when there is a negative review (let's say, in this case, of the N97), it seems that there's a great deal of focus on these flaws and not enough on it's positive features. I read the review above and found this to be very evident. Of course, this would be difficult for a review of a phone if it was catastrophically bad, but if a phone's flaws cause it to fall just short of expectations (especially when many of them, admitted by the reviewer him/her self, can be resolved with firmware updates) then surely it is still a very good phone, and this should be made clear in any review of any phone where possible.

bluejay does make a point though, that we should reserve some of our judgement until we've used the device. I, for one, kinda welcome the criticisms because it means I know what to look out for when I get my N97. If I find that these flaws are an issue to me, I know that the S60 OS is flexible enough that in most cases I can either change the settings, update the firmware, install an application that will resolve it, or simply avert it by going about it a slightly different way. My N95 for example, isn't perfect, it has its flaws, but many of them were fixed by customisation or updating, and this means that I would happy recommend the N95 to others even though it falls short of my expectations.

Those are my two pennies* on the situation. I hope I haven't made anything worse :redface:

[SIZE="1"]* I say pennies and not cents cos I'm British 😊[/SIZE]

The only thing I am having a go at Bluejay about is his lack of objectivity and I count that he has done it twice so far.

I've seen the criticisms of the N97. I even join in with them. YouTube is a fantastic idea to get a feel and general overview of the phone. But for me, and I stress, that is for me, the flaws of the N97 are tiny, tiny tiny tiny, compared to the HTC Magic (Google Android) and Apple iPhone.

One of those would have been my choice over the N97 if either both had given me both the Bluetooth support for file Transfer and SIP functionality built in. DivX would have been the next requirement, and that's about it.

I've been dreading getting the N97 - was thinking of holding out for the N86. Not sure Im going to like the touch screen and don't like the look of the messaging interface on the Symbian touch screen devices - they all look too big, but very very usable. But I want to go with the next natural progression and Im sure Nokia can get anything like this sorted with a firmware update.

But I think any criticisms of the N97 really are quite miniscule compared to the iPhone/Android if we judge them at a "mobile computer level".

My N97 comes with an FM transmitter!

Cya
Simon