Well, not quite, but it's a fair indication. According to the eagle-eyed Jay (who has thankfully scanned the appropriate table), the Europe-wide Carphone Warehouse has listed its top selling pay-monthly phones - the Nokia 5800 is number 1, with the Apple iPhone at 2 and the Tocco Ultra feature phone at 3. As Jay notes, it's really not surprising, given that the 5800 started free on £15 a month contracts, undercutting the iPhone by a factor of around two, while out-speccing it in many departments (the exceptions being screen tech and size of app store).
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For the money it's an awesome little phone plus, of course, it's not hobbled to O2. I have to say that I'm very happy with mine - I considered both the N97 and the iPhone 3GS but neither do anythign I particularly value better than the 5800.
And by 'value' I mean calling, texting, music playing and surfing.
It looks like a v31 firmware update is imminent.
Check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjp_GydydYM 57 seconds in
Yes, v31 firmware was the stable release inside Nokia a couple of weeks ago. I suspect it'll appear in public this week.
Nokia know what most people want, and it isn't what the average AAS forum poster wants!
As for V31. I'll won't bother with that until iPlayer downloads work with it.
dont worry, i'll bet a million dollars v31 will NOT come out for us north americans. you know, that would just be CRAZY for nokia to release an already existing firmware to our 5800. insanity, i say! lunacy!!
from the video,
V31.0.015
Log,
Great new features!
Updated applications!
Performance improvements!
kinetic scrolling and 5530style homescreen???
Lmao, are you actually comparing a phone available on multiple carriers against a phone exclusive to one carrier and saying its fair?
The iPhone is second and that's against a much cheaper phone that's available on multiple carriers and that's a good thing? If I were Nokia I'd be embarrassed lol
The iPhone has had nearly 3 years of massive free media hype and the unknown 5800 beats it! Now that is a feat evenb if the 5800 is cheaper.
"Lmao, are you actually comparing a phone available on multiple carriers against a phone exclusive to one carrier and saying its fair?
The iPhone is second and that's against a much cheaper phone that's available on multiple carriers and that's a good thing? If I were Nokia I'd be embarrassed lol"
What phone do you mean? If you claim that iPhone is available on just one carrier, then that's not true. That might be the case in USA, but in Europe iPhone is available from multiple carriers. So the comparison is wery much fair. Sure eg. the Finnish-Swedish TeliaSonera is not the only one who offers iPhone in Europe. And even if it would be available from one carrier only, then so what? Customers can change carrier if they want.
Obviously customers just like Nokia 5800 XpressMusic more than iPhone. If some iPhone fanatics can't accept that then WHO CARES what they think?
jah wrote:The iPhone has had nearly 3 years of massive free media hype and the unknown 5800 beats it! Now that is a feat evenb if the 5800 is cheaper.
Well that's not really any big surprise. 5800 XM has much more advanced features and lower price when compared to iPhone. iPhone is just overpriced when you think it's poor features.
The 5800xm is one of a large range of phones supplied by Nokia with Symbian/S60. Wonder what the total Symbian count is.
Anyway, well done Nokia, you defied the know-it-all Nokia knockers yet again. When will they learn?
"Lmao, are you actually comparing a phone available on multiple carriers against a phone exclusive to one carrier and saying its fair?"
Actually, that's exactly what he isn't doing - he's comparing sales from one distribution channel - CPW. If you think about it that makes the position even wose for the iPhone because:
1) The iPhone is only available from three outlets - O2, CPW and Apple.
2) The 5800 is available from virtually anywhere.
3) Despite being available in so many other places the 5800 still outsells the iPhone at CPW (I'd also point out the 5800 isn't available on Vodafone on CPW's website).
The implication is that the 5800 is doing a lot better overall than the iPhone 3G was in the UK. Of course this may change with the 3GS.
I think the 5800 has taken on a better market the low cost one which most people are on. It's not about poor/rich. Me I only use about 200-300mins a Month. Then I am willing to spend about �10-�15 a month on credit and �10 a month for a Phone. I Pay �20 a month for my N82 for 300mins and 100texts and (�5 500MB) data a perfect package for me �25 total.
Im not going to Pay �35 a month for 600mins, 1000 texts?, data + even at this price extra for the phone. Im not going to use the minutes so to me im paying more just for the phone, this goes for especially the iPhone and all top range handsets, I just cant justify the cost.
I use the same argument for Windows VS Mac OS it may be better but im not going to fork over potentially double the cost for something better if something that still does the job for less albeit a few arguable problems. (even though i think Windows and Symbian are better im giving the benfit of the doubt)
Unregistered wrote:Well that's not really any big surprise. 5800 XM has much more advanced features and lower price when compared to iPhone. iPhone is just overpriced when you think it's poor features.
Really? You think iPhones are just overpriced? Then, that would make me stick to Nokia more. Many of my friends are also raving about the beauty of Nokia's xpress muisc phones.
rickysymo wrote:Really? You think iPhones are just overpriced? Then, that would make me stick to Nokia more. Many of my friends are also raving about the beauty of Nokia's xpress muisc phones.
This is where I am out of step with many who post on here. The 'beauty' of a phone? How about the beauty of the sky, or the land and nature? How about the beauty of other humans? Getting a damn phone out to look at and admire is well down my list of importance.
Your current version: 15.0.015? When did that happen? 😊 I'm afraid this video proves nothing. I sure hope major update with support for homescreen widgets and kinetic scrolling etc (features everybody would like) arrives but the v31 firmware seen on this video might as well only be a bogus part of the Ovi demonstration....
This sort of debate is extremely annnoying because its a complete oversimplification.
1) I would bet the that the vast majority of 5800 buyers will not use the phone to anywhere its full potential because Nokia's S60 just misses the mark completely in terms of what modern smartphone OS should deliver in terms of user experience. I do acknowlege that the underlying OS has power, but power thats not immediately obvious to the user.
2) The IPhone on the other hand makes most of the functionality very accesible and easy to use, couple this with the fact that alot of people are coming from IPod they already view that the device has multiple uses.
3) If you accept at least some of this you can see that what the IPhone is doing is establishing a platform for growth, as we enter a new age of mobile computing. A first generation IPhone I would argue through software updates is still a modern and pleasurable device. The same I am afraid cannot be said for a Nokia which generally has a lifespan of about 6 months before the next version is thrown out with little regard to writing software to exploit the new technology.
If you take into account that there are over 1 million IPhones on O2 in the UK alone, and this is growing, i don't think the future is so rosy for S60.
Sure there are alot of S60 phones out there , but in reality most are used as feature phones at best outside of high end users , so in my mind S60 is not relevant as a modern smartphone OS.
This sort of debate is extremely annnoying because its a complete oversimplification.
And yet you make generalisations and oversimplifications yourself. A smartphone has three to five major functions:
1) To be a Phone: that is, after all, its primary function
2) Texting and other non-verbal communication
3) Media functionality
4) Web Browsing
5) Other functionality - this covers maps, games, apps, etc
People will have different priorities around these functions but they're pretty fundamental. Everything else is driven by cost and cachet and, it would appear from sales, S60 continues to offer a lot here.
Far too much emphasis is put on the cool factor and technical aspects of a phone and most people just don't care. The iPhone is a very, very good phone but will remain a niche device because of its cost and restrictions. Bluntly it simply doesn't offer enough to go mass market whereas Nokia have pitched the 5800 at this level as they will with the 5530.
Of course it doesn't take much thought to realise that by doing this Nokia are ensuring another generation of phone users become used to its UI so when they move on to more expensive units - as students may do when they find work - the principles of appropriation dictate that they will generally go for what they're used to.
It's quite clever really.
3) If you accept at least some of this you can see that what the IPhone is doing is establishing a platform for growth, as we enter a new age of mobile computing. A first generation IPhone I would argue through software updates is still a modern and pleasurable device. The same I am afraid cannot be said for a Nokia which generally has a lifespan of about 6 months before the next version is thrown out with little regard to writing software to exploit the new technology.
What about n95? That surely turned into another device through firmware updates.
Also, I've seen a lot of iphones that don't have ONE third party app installed. Iphone geeks are just more vocal about the stuff they have.
Unregistered wrote:
If you take into account that there are over 1 million IPhones on O2 in the UK alone, and this is growing, i don't think the future is so rosy for S60.
So the 5800 ALONE has outsold the piePhone through CPW, not to count all the other popular S60 devices. Nokia make a number of different S60 phones across the range. This means that if you want a phone that fits in your pocket, they have one. If you want a high megapixel camera with a carl zeiss lens, you can have an S60 one. And a multi-tasking OS. If you want a low cost phone wit connectivity and web browsing, they do one of those too.
S60 is improving all the time and the future looks fine, the number of S60 phones out there is growing quicker than the number of piePhones.
If apple did a cheaper nano and offered all networks then they would do lot better. At the moment they are trying to sell a fancy UI for a lot of cash. No sale here. I want a phone to suit my need as much as possible. To have broad appeal like that you need choice not control.