No GPRS, but Opera works?

you must have bluetooth conected and therefore surfing via your pc

Durzel,

Opera will only work through an INTERNET access point(gateway) not WAP if you're using GPRS to connect, whilst the built-in browser will actually work through an WAP access point(check with your operator for the correct settings).

And just FYI WAP and GPRS are not two seperate things(many people seems to think that it is). WAP needs either a GPRS OR a Dialup connection to work.

I know it sounds silly but it may be work just checking with orange. Some of my WAP mins are free for 3 months but Im not sure if that will incllude GPRS downloads.

Well this is the weird thing... I had to reformat my internal disk because of speeddial corruption, and when I got the settings for "Orange GPRS Wap", "Orange WAP" and "Orange MMS" sent to my phone, and then tried Opera/internal browser it worked the first time but all subsequent attempts it just says "Unknown error".

I do not have GPRS on my account, and GPRS currently says "Unattached" on my phone.

When attempting to send MMS messages I get "Unknown error" as well. I assume I'm using all the correct settings.

MMS can only be used through GPRS. And if you wan't to use WAP/Internet through GPRS you do need to have it activated(GPRS: Attached) with your operator, other wise you will connect through Dialup(pay per minute).

I send and recieve all my MMS messages through my CSD connection - you certainly don't need to use a GPRS connection for MMS.

CSD?

Are you on Orange Simion? Could you let me know what details you are using because whenever I try and send an MMS I get the same "Unknown error" as I get when attempting to use GPRS.

Afraid I'm using my P800 on O2, but see below for general help. 😊

CSD = Circuit Switched Data - i.e. the 'dial up GSM' method of accessing WAP etc, at speeds of 9.6kbps over a single channel open line, charged by time usage.

It's what many people will just call 'WAP', but is actually of course the method of accessing such content, (where the alternative methods are HSCSD {just High Speed version of CSD, working upto 28.8kbps} and GPRS.)

Durzel - are you saying you can connect and use Opera fully using your Orange WAP account? (i.e. the 'dial up' CSD - NOT GPRS). In that case, fine, you should well encounter this with some (i can vouch for O2 working fine) if not all CSD account providers. With CSD accounts, there is not the same APN or 'access point' issue that you have with GPRS.

Now, if neither your GPRS WAP or GPRS internet accounts actually connect then i suggest GPRS is thus not activated on your account - it's up to you what you do, as you can either phone Orange and get them to activate it - then you will need to use the GPRS internet account (probably just ORANGE GPRS) for full Opera browsing, and, if you want, the GPRS WAP (ORANGE GPRS WAP) for browsing WAP sites - though assuming they are charged the same you might as well use the GPRS internet account only.

Otherwise, if you keep using the CSD WAP account (ORANGE WAP) then you'll be charged the 'dialup' rate of 10p per minute or whatever it is. With O2, since i have a very large number of free WAP minutes, it is worthwhile me using them, as if i use GPRS instead, i'll be charged by the kilobyte used - which'd be a lot! 😊

thought my Gprs connection settings was screwed. I called my network provider and told them about the prob so they let me reconfigure everything, so i did. Then I found out
Settings work. If I use the built in browser I was able to surf via GPRS but I use operah it gives me problems. I cant connect using operah anymore but can connect using the built in browser. I tried uninstalling then reinstalling again but I still get the same thing. But if I use broadband(via usb cable/IR/Bluetooth, operah can connect without any problems. Any suggestions?

One thing I noticed was that when I uninstalled it and reinstalled Operah, all the bookmarks were back again? Is there a way to totally uninstall making sure I have a very clean installation?

When I try to connect it all it says is its connected. No movements on the status bar. Just the word "connected" then after around 3-5 minutes its says it cannot connect to the site. But as soon as Plug it in the cradle or use IR or bluetooth it can go to the site right away. Isnt it suppose to be automatic? That when you are not connected to your PC it will ask for what conection to use(which is what is happening to me but it just wont connect.) When using the standard built in browser it has no problems at all. It asks me which connection to use, I choose GPRS and it works perfectly! Any suggestions please anyone? Or should it always have to be this way, that I should keep two browsers, one for broadband and on for GPRS?

You must be using your GPRS internet APN, not your GPRS WAP APN, to access HTML etc. That explains your problem.

[quote="simion_levi"]I send and recieve all my MMS messages through my CSD connection - you certainly don't need to use a GPRS connection for MMS.[/quote]

Hmm, really? I must have misunderstood completely then... My operator don't allow a CSD connection for sending/receiving MMS and I assumed(read it several places also) that MMS will infact only work through a GPRS connection... :-?

And, wouldn't it be slow sending/receiving MMS through a CSD connection? 9,6Kb's? What about highspeed HSCSD(28,8Kb's), then that should work too right(depending on your operator of course)?

[quote="simion_levi"]You must be using your GPRS internet APN, not your GPRS WAP APN, to access HTML etc. That explains your problem.[/quote]

Which is which? I have 3 settings, for MMS, for GPRS, and for dial up GPRS (modem i think, the one with the icon of a globe and and a phone on its side)

If you wan't to use Opera through a GPRS connection, but you can only use the built-in browser with your GPRS account, that means that your GPRS account settings only allows you to connect through a WAP gateway(access point).

You need to contact your operator to get the proper settings to get you conncted through an INTERNET gateway(assuming that your operator supports this). This would be the same settings as you need to use your phone as a modem with your computer.
Hope this helps.

Cheers

[quote="Raven"]If you wan't to use Opera through a GPRS connection, but you can only use the built-in browser with your GPRS account, that means that your GPRS account settings only allows you to connect through a WAP gateway(access point).

You need to contact your operator to get the proper settings to get you conncted through an INTERNET gateway(assuming that your operator supports this). This would be the same settings as you need to use your phone as a modem with your computer.
Hope this helps.

Cheers[/quote]

Thanks Raven. Ok, i am not using the ineternet gatewat settings and yes it supported by my provider but all I get is the "connected" word still, and when I try to go into a site it just says "1kb" 😞 No movement at all. I already have that Icon with the globe and phone at the bottom that symbolizes connection..

Every time I also go to a site now it just says "Could not connect to remote server"

[quote="Raven"][quote="simion_levi"]I send and recieve all my MMS messages through my CSD connection - you certainly don't need to use a GPRS connection for MMS.[/quote]

Hmm, really? I must have misunderstood completely then... My operator don't allow a CSD connection for sending/receiving MMS and I assumed(read it several places also) that MMS will infact only work through a GPRS connection... :-?

And, wouldn't it be slow sending/receiving MMS through a CSD connection? 9,6Kb's? What about highspeed HSCSD(28,8Kb's), then that should work too right(depending on your operator of course)?[/quote]

Raven - goto nowMMS and all will be explained! 😉

Well, if you want to use your operators MMS service, you probably will have to use GPRS and pay �0.40 per message, or whatever it is. However, with alternative providers, like nowMMS (which i use- don't know of others, but there may well be) you simply pay for the data transferred, by using either your operators WAP CSD connection, or GPRS WAP connection - thus pay for say 30kb of data each time, which is about 5-10pence of GPRS usage, or about 30seconds of CSD usage (=maybe 5pence or even free, if you have inclusive CSD WAP minutes like me).

Your provider doesn't know you are sending an MMS really (well, they can see which site you are sending data to, so could guess) but you are not actually using their MMS APN so they can't charge you for that. All they see is you sending or receiving the few kb of data that make up the message from nowMMS's WAP site. Note you don't have to connect and view messages or anything - it's all automatic, just as if you were using your operators services - when your phone is told it's got a message, it automatically connects and retrieves it then hangs up the WAP connection, and when you send it does the same.

NowMMS don't charge anything for this service - they aim to pay for it by advertising, i.e. sending upto 1 MMS advert per day to your phone - however, noone i know has received a single one yet, so it's been practically free MMS for the last 3 months! 😃

Oh, I see. So with nowMMS you're using a different MMS APN.... That's why you can send/receive through CSD, but when you are using your operators MMS APN, CSD data transfer is not possible right? Did I understand it right? 😊

Yup, that's basically it. The operators COULD let you use CSD if they wanted to - but then they would find it harder to tell if you were sending a message, for which they want to charge you 40p for, or if you were just browsing a WAP page quickly. Thus they set up a separate GPRS APN so they know that every time you connect and use it, you are sending a message and thus charge you accordingly.

Oki, thanks. Just signed up with NowMMS, but I cannot get it to work though... Bummer

Hmmm, should work with problems, i've just tested mine and works fine. You've followed all the instructions?

With a P800, simply setup an MMS account pointing to your WAP GPRS or CSD account, then enter the service centre address as http://mms.now.co.uk/USERNAME=PASSWORD

NOTE: under the advanced--> receive section, you will need to make sure that adverts are allowed, otherwise you won't receive any messages. (all messages count as 'advertisements' somehow, probably because they are from a third party not from your operator.)

Oh, there's also a test to do listed on nowMMS's site - something about browsing to a particular WAP site with your WAP account just to check that your operator hasn't blocked the site or anything.

Yep, I followed all the instuctions, but I cannot send any messages, nor can I receive the test MMS message. I guess the problem lies with my operator(NetCom in Norway)...

Try your CSD account if you're using GPRS, or vice versa. But yes, sounds like your operator might be the problem 😞

Wait, suddenly it started working... :roll: :angel:
I just got the test-MMS message. Didn't change any settings or nothing, strange, BUT COOL WOHOO! 😃

But I still get a communications error when I try sending though.. :-?

EDIT: Ooops, didn't see that you still can't send, sorry! Keep playing with the settings, maybe it'll come! 😊

LOL, glad to hear it mate!

Couple of things - i think you can send to any number in the world, and they should receive it whether or not they use nowmms - however, if they send a message to your number and they DON'T use nowmms it'll go through your network operator, so unless you have their MMS settings too you will probably just receive an SMS saying- 'you have received a MMS, please goto this url to see it...'

The way to get round this is to tell anyone not using now mms to send messages to your EMAIL address instead (i.e. [email protected]) - you'll then receive the message on your phone properly.

At least, this is how it was working last time i checked - most people who aren't on nowmms at the start tend to join up when you tell them about it! 😊

Thanks for the tip. I'll keep trying for a while longer.. 😊