Nokia has now officially announced the N97 Mini at Nokia World 2009, with smaller screen, full-width keyboard and a focus on social media. Significantly, they're also talking about a whole new memory map and kinetic scrolling across the whole interface. More details imminently. Stay tuned.
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Well I'm excited about this new N97 firmware...
I wonder when we'll get it...
�450... don't think they'll be flying off the shelves.
Why couldn't they have put the n86 camera on this?
malerocks wrote:Why couldn't they have put the n86 camera on this?
celios wrote:�450... don't think they'll be flying off the shelves.
Why not? They have sold 2 million from the original one. This is EUR 150 less. It will fly from the selves like hot cakes.
An idea that Nokia surely wont have thought of.
Fix the N97 before releasing a mini one! Damn, no support for current customer base 😡
tenoce wrote:Why not? They have sold 2 million from the original one. This is EUR 150 less. It will fly from the selves like hot cakes.
Just slightly bigger than a 5800, this is a better size altogether. This may well be my next phone, although I will wait for the inevitable price drop.
Delveh wrote:An idea that Nokia surely wont have thought of.Fix the N97 before releasing a mini one! Damn, no support for current customer base 😡
tenoce wrote:Why not? They have sold 2 million from the original one. This is EUR 150 less. It will fly from the selves like hot cakes.
Because you can buy the original new for �450 now! By the time this is available in retail stores the N97 will be even cheaper. Since they sold 2 million N97s, do you think there is an untapped market for an S60 5th ed touch screen phone with Qwerty, or perhaps all those people have already bought the N97...
Plus, it's only �50 off the price of the N900!
celios wrote:Because you can buy the original new for �450 now! By the time this is available in retail stores the N97 will be even cheaper. Since they sold 2 million N97s, do you think there is an untapped market for an S60 5th ed touch screen phone with Qwerty, or perhaps all those people have already bought the N97...Plus, it's only �50 off the price of the N900!
I've decided not to by the N97, iPhone, the forthcoming N900 and many other nicely featured phones purely because they are all excessively bulky, I use a (surprisingly impressive) 5800xm currently and I will be only too pleased to get the same sort of thing with the added bonus of a physical qwerty.
I don't expect that quoted price to be the market price. It never is. Remember the 5800 introductory CPW price? And prices slide pretty quickly once the early adopter profits are made.
If there is nothing else more interesting on the horizon, then I will likely go with this one - because it suits my needs.
All the geeks love to tell Nokia what they are doing wrong, but they just keep selling phones and confounding everyone. Makes me laugh.
Anyone has specs on RAM and CPU? Eldar from mobile-review.com claims it's the same as N97 Classic but I doubt it.
Unregistered wrote:All the geeks love to tell Nokia what they are doing wrong, but they just keep selling phones and confounding everyone. Makes me laugh.
Selling phones yeah, but losing market share 😉
Ask Nokia what the return rate is for the N97 vs the iPhone. They might have sold 2 million, but how many of those are replacement phones for N97s that didn't work in the first place!
I really, really hope they will bring the new software improvements to 5800.
I hate being one of the few million testers for the unfinished software they put in it.
I'm not just asking for the software features of N97, like the home screen. That is why we have N97. I'm talking about memory and kinetic scrolling improvements they mentioned on the key note.
In denmark the n97 is 3850kr without subscribtion incl. vat. As we pay 25% deducting 20% gives 3090kr == 412�. The"cheaper" mini isnt so cheap after all.. Btw whats up with leaving DLNA support in the cold?!
Artz wrote:I really, really hope they will bring the new software improvements to 5800.
I hate being one of the few million testers for the unfinished software they put in it.I'm not just asking for the software features of N97, like the home screen. That is why we have N97. I'm talking about memory and kinetic scrolling improvements they mentioned on the key note.
I doubt that kinetic will come to the 5800, it's not a premium phone, it's a low cost cheap phone, Nokia will probably keep the kinetic as a selling point for the more expensive phones. You get what you pay for. The 5800 firmware is pretty well finished and V30 is a big improvement in responsiveness to the touch interface, it's a lot of features for such a cheap phone, there isn't any real competition in the same price range. After all kinetic and flick are nice things, but not really essentials. It's a toy thing to play with.
celios wrote:Selling phones yeah, but losing market share 😉!
Nokia won't be too concerned as their share was so big to begin with. In a recession economy it's far more difficult to sustain a massive market share than it is to grow a tiny one.
All this melodrama about last rites is ridiculous.
The usual arguments against Nokia are... underpowered processor / ram, clunky software, slow to market touch screen phones, buggy software....
Touch Smartphones: While most of this is true at times, look at what they've done to catch up. 5800 was launched end of last year, N97 in June. Now they launch the N97 mini, X6, 5230, the 5530, and the N900 all in Q409 and all to address different markets. That's 7 touch screen devices and 6 in 1 yr!
Software / Hardware: Nokia are catching up fast, and the S60 UI is maturing quickly. The V12 N97 firmware already frees up more Ram (i would still prefer more) and i expect improvements in the 2.0 announcement in October. While I'd MUCH prefer the 2.0 software when i first got the N97 in June, I'm seeing big improvments in usability and this will allow the product to continue selling. Also have you seen the videos of the 5530? Decent transitions and seems snappy etc? After the UI fixes and ram fixes, the N97 is a decent device, and so will the N97 mini.
N97 future: Nokia announced the N97 with a splash and also said there will be substantial software updates, meaning the N97 was the flagship device, but at the same time ... really a work in progress. Well in 2.0 I expect this to come and become a more mature salution and a true competitor to the iphone (excluding the 3d games part). I also expect a 3.0 and more.
Sales numbers: if Nokia were dissapointed with N97 sales they would have NOT announced the sales numbers. With sales approx 1M units per month, we're going to see nearly 10m units of N97 and mini product sold by the end of 2009. This is still a HUGE number and would match N95's legendary total sales numbers in only 6 months time.
Unregistered wrote:Nokia won't be too concerned as their share was so big to begin with. In a recession economy it's far more difficult to sustain a massive market share than it is to grow a tiny one.
Nokia might not be concerned, but their shareholders are. Apple are stealing the most profitable part of the market (the top end) and leaving Nokia with the rest (for now..?) But I digress, the N97 mini is of interest to a small subsection of users, but pricing it at more than the N97 currently sells for is a mistake they will need to correct if they expect to sell many.
Looks nice. And actually by shrinking the form factor, Nokia have made this far more attractive to me. But all the reservations I had about the original N97 remain a problem for the N97 mini:
http://theprodigalguide.com/2009/06/12/nokia-n97-now-shipping-but-has-nokia-done-enoughre/
The new firmware they're touting may address some of these reservations but it can't fix the fundamentals.
And you've got to ask: who's going to want this when the N900 is just around the corner?
Unregistered wrote:I doubt that kinetic will come to the 5800, it's not a premium phone, it's a low cost cheap phone, Nokia will probably keep the kinetic as a selling point for the more expensive phones. You get what you pay for. The 5800 firmware is pretty well finished and V30 is a big improvement in responsiveness to the touch interface, it's a lot of features for such a cheap phone, there isn't any real competition in the same price range. After all kinetic and flick are nice things, but not really essentials. It's a toy thing to play with.
Sorry, I do not agree.
5th edition OS needs a lot of work. It is a base of the all touch screen devices they released or will release. So if they make improvements to it, I for one will expect them to fix all the phones not just N97 (including new N97 mini). Do not confuse this with feature packs. This is not it. This is telling us, the users, we know our software is crap and we will give you a new and improved version.
You didn't have to tell Nokia twice that it was crap from the beginning. And it really was.
Kinetic scrolling is not just the gimmick it is what every phone with touch interface needs if it has a small screen with very long list of something. For 2 examples I will give you 5th edition phone book with its confusing all around appearing search characters and a music player with many songs in the library. Scroll bar at the right is just something that came from 3rd edition and it doesn't belong here.
celios wrote:Nokia might not be concerned, but their shareholders are. Apple are stealing the most profitable part of the market (the top end) and leaving Nokia with the rest (for now..?) But I digress, the N97 mini is of interest to a small subsection of users, but pricing it at more than the N97 currently sells for is a mistake they will need to correct if they expect to sell many.
Nokias shareholders seem quite happy it would appear as the Nokia shareprice is tracking the Dow Jones Index very solidly. There is nothing out of context about the timeline.
The N97 mini is worth more to me than a brick like the N97, and will more likely completely replace it in the marketplace.
You have no idea how much the N97 will be priced, and neither do I or anyone else. Those prices that are always quoted with new product announcements mean nothing and never come true. It should be more than the original N97, because it is better, but the market in Q4 will be different and so will the price. Wait and see.
They will sell many. Just as they are selling many N97s.
People always make the mistake that if something doesn't suit them then it doesn't suit the wider market. Such an insular view.
Artz wrote:Sorry, I do not agree.
5th edition OS needs a lot of work. It is a base of the all touch screen devices they released or will release. So if they make improvements to it, I for one will expect them to fix all the phones not just N97 (including new N97 mini). Do not confuse this with feature packs. This is not it. This is telling us, the users, we know our software is crap and we will give you a new and improved version..
No need to apologise. It's just an opinion. The 5800 is what it is. A cheap phone. Nokia will improce the OS but the improvements will appear in new phones. If you purchased a cheap phone, why do you expect Nokia to give you a different phone? Return it and get another one if you don't like it.
Artz wrote:
Kinetic scrolling is not just the gimmick it is what every phone with touch interface needs if it has a small screen with very long list of something. For 2 examples I will give you 5th edition phone book with its confusing all around appearing search characters and a music player with many songs in the library. Scroll bar at the right is just something that came from 3rd edition and it doesn't belong here.
I can scroll the phone book and the all songs music list perfectly happliy with my thumb and it is not necessary to use the scroll bars to do it. They serve as a useful indication of where you are in the list but you don't need to touch them to scroll right up and down. Just touch on the list anywhere and then slide your finger above or below and the list will auto-scroll. This is perfectly intiutive to anyone.
Unregistered wrote:Nokias shareholders seem quite happy it would appear as the Nokia shareprice is tracking the Dow Jones Index very solidly. There is nothing out of context about the timeline.
The shareholders are probably happier than the users, I grant you that. But not as happy as the Apple shareholders 😉
Unregistered wrote:
You have no idea how much the N97 will be priced, and neither do I or anyone else.
I know exactly how much the N97 is priced at, as they are selling them now. The N97 mini has been announced at �450, the N900 announced at �500.
Unregistered wrote:
because it is better, but the market in Q4 will be different and so will the price. Wait and see.
Better? Smaller yes, but also a smaller battery, smaller mass storage (8Gb), smaller keyboard. It's a HUGE 1mm thinner, 5mm shorter and 1mm less wide than the N97! Wow, it's sooooo much smaller 🙄
So the N97, by being 1mm wider and thicker, is a brick, but the svelte N97 mini is pocketable? Once you're off your medication I'd love to hear what you think.
the mini n97 is smaller in size but also in memory, the normal n97has 32GB on board the mini just 8Gb plust max 16Gb sdcard
so why be unhappy with the big one?
Unregistered wrote:No need to apologise. It's just an opinion. The 5800 is what it is. A cheap phone. Nokia will improce the OS but the improvements will appear in new phones. If you purchased a cheap phone, why do you expect Nokia to give you a different phone? Return it and get another one if you don't like it.
You misunderstood me completely. I'm talking about software problems. If you maybe own for example Nokia N73, you will know what I was talking about. Too the end of its lifetime through numerous firmware updates it received numerous bug fixes and a new software tweaks. Yes totally new. Something you didn't get when you bought the phone in the first place.
One more example is many Android phones or if you will 3 iterations of iPhone OS.
Also the phone we are talking about, 5800 also received couple of software updates that brought bug fixes and yes, new features. That is why we have firmware updates in the first place.
Unregistered wrote:I can scroll the phone book and the all songs music list perfectly happliy with my thumb and it is not necessary to use the scroll bars to do it. They serve as a useful indication of where you are in the list but you don't need to touch them to scroll right up and down. Just touch on the list anywhere and then slide your finger above or below and the list will auto-scroll. This is perfectly intiutive to anyone.
That way of scrolling is totally imprecise and clunky. It is badly done and it is the left over from the previous generation, the 3rd edition OS. That is why N97 will get an improvement and that is why we have this conversation. Don't tell me that 5800 is a cheap phone because it wasn't when it first came out.
Don't get me wrong. I am a user on Nokia phones for a long time now. Everybody in my family has a Nokia phone but I hate to see Nokia as a company having a bad relationship with its customers. Because of that you will see many.
We saw a tiny bit of hope that it will all change in the future by watching the key note. I surly hope so it isn't just marketing talking as they are clearly scared of the competition. For example they mentioned that they sold a lot of phones, but they didn't mentioned a high percentage of returns.
At the first post I sad I hope users of Nokia 5800 will get software fixes and improvements planed for N97, so let us hope and wait and see what will happen.
Artz wrote:That way of scrolling is totally imprecise and clunky. It is badly done and it is the left over from the previous generation, the 3rd edition OS. That is why N97 will get an improvement and that is why we have this conversation. Don't tell me that 5800 is a cheap phone because it wasn't when it first came out.
I have no problem with it. Do you have dexterity problems?
The 5800 was less than half the price of the N97 when it first came out, under �200 in the UK. It was and still is a cheap, budget , entry level phone.
celios wrote: Wow, it's sooooo much smaller 🙄So the N97, by being 1mm wider and thicker, is a brick, but the svelte N97 mini is pocketable? Once you're off your medication I'd love to hear what you think.
Interesting that Nokia chose to use the word "mini" then don't you think? Maybe it should be called the N97 big but not quite as big......
N97 mini 113 x 52.5 x 14.2 138 grams
N97 117.2 x 55.3 x 15.9-18.3 150 grams
5800 111 x 51.7 x 15.5 W, 109 grams
So, the mini is marginally bigger than the 5800 which I find compact enough, but quite a bit smaller than an N97 which I found to be oversized when I tried it. So it's better for me.
Medication? I think you are in need of some. Relax.
LOL!
Celios u got pwned. U should check ur arithmetic in future