At last week's Symbian Exchange and Exposition Lee William (Executive Director of the Symbian Foundation) showed, during the keynote, a concept video of what a future Symbian UI might look like. The video shows a typical use case: accepting an invite to a party via Facebook and, the next day, attending the party. There's a glimpse of a new look homescreen, complete with social web integration and navigation and mapping features enhanced by augmented reality functionality. Read on to view the video and
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They can't even get their current products right so lets not hold our breath about future ones. Looks promising though, roll on the year 2100.
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lol @ the troll :d
@Berty I think you're forgetting this is the Symbian Foundation we're talking about not Nokia.
Anyway, the concept looks interesting but I doubt we'll see anything remotely similar before Symbian^4. We'll have to wait and see.
Good job, by the way, arranging and presenting all the UI elements so that we can see them better.
Maybe I am wrong but this is already possible with Android, isn't it?
looks like a google web app. no thanks.
I like the ideas,but it still "ideas".
By the way...will they ship the devices with this theme? looks funny with these cartoonish icons.
@Ammar - the Symbian Foundation doesn't create devices, so the chances of them including this theme on a device is slim. Its already available and has been linked to here at AAS for sometime already. Its a pretty solid theme on my N97 actually.
@Unregistered/Android - some of its possible, not all of it. The Symbian Foundation seems to be moving in a similar direction as Maemo is in this respect. Widgets for aggregated use, ability to pane a unified window, and less dependence on applications in silos and more APIs shared across them so that the user creates the experience, rather than just whatever the device maker has in mind. While Android sports some of this, the licensing leaves it in the hands of the manufacturer to exploit this - some have, some are trying, some won't.
@adi_pie - don't be surprised if some of this shows in S^2. Much of this is possible, its the more complex part of the stuff behind the apps that's going to take a considerable amount of rewriting. I wouldn't even be surprised if the "device" was a real one running it, this just an artsy enough mockup to keep the concept ideal conceptual.
they have always provided these kind of concept videos, and where's all of those other UI ideas right now?
Just look at the UI videos of the N97 which all turned out to be a load of rubbish. I'll believe it when I see it.
It's easy to make vague animation about a distant future.
It's more difficult satisfy to current customers - where is kinetic scrolling for my Nokia 5800? I want Nokia Internet Radio I had on N82 - where is it? What about Nokia's bluetooth keyboard drivers for 5800?
I don't care what Symbian may look like in 3 years time (if ever...), because if my 5800 won't get kinetic scrolling and decent home screen (there is no technical reason not do do it, as the hardware is basically th same as N97), my next phone will be Android or iPhone... Nokia 5800 is my 7th Nokia phone, may be the last unfortunately. I was considering N97 mini, but I'm not that brave - will it be obsolete soon, stuck on Symbian ^1? Will Nokia allow upgrades to ^2, ^3 or whatever it is? The first iPhone can run current OS in the extend the hardware allows, no artificial limitations.
Supporting your customers pays off. Nokia/Symbian Foundation - please get to work and improve your products NOW, stop presenting BS.
Ian 23 wrote:It's easy to make vague animation about a distant future.
It's more difficult satisfy to current customers - where is kinetic scrolling for my Nokia 5800? I want Nokia Internet Radio I had on N82 - where is it? What about Nokia's bluetooth keyboard drivers for 5800?
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You read like a child having a tantrum. Or like the Kevin 'bloody' Wilson song, "Santa, where's my f***ing bike?"
Basically, if you wanted a phone with kinetic scrolling in the OS, why didn't you buy one? You've bought a cheapo bottom end phone and you want extra options added for free? You won't be getting any. The 5800 is at V31, and effectively finished. If you want a 5800 with kinetic scrolling then you have to pay for it. Buy an X6, that's a kinetic scrolling phone with the 5800 feature set.
And don't bother pointing out that 55xx etc are the same price and have kinetic scrolling. The are all missing functional features that 5800 has. You get what you pay for. And N97 is a phone costing 3 x the price of 5800 and wasn't finished when it came on sale. The 5800 has the feature set that it does for its place at the bottom end of the range, and that's it.
I just bought a really nice digital SLR camera, it does 4.5 frames per second, but some cameras from the same manufacturer can do 12 frames per second. I demand that my cheaper camera can do the same as them. Duh.
The 5800 has kinetic scrolling already, in the browser and therefore in all WRT type widgets that are based on the browser. And also in applications like profimail and Gravity.
@Unregistered
"Basically, if you wanted a phone with kinetic scrolling in the OS, why didn't you buy one?"
Because there were NO Nokia phones with KS in January 2009 (when I bought my 5880), that's why 😊
I was considering N97 in June, but guess what - it did not have kinetic scroll either. It now finally does, but Nokia forgot to put memory in... 😊
X6 - please show me, where can I buy this now? Have you even seen one? N97 mini? Coming soon.
And in the meantime Symbian Foundation basically declared ^1 obsolete, Qt is the future etc. Will I see this future on N97 mini or X6? I want to upgrade, ready to pay, but lost my trust in Nokia. Should I really upgrade to ^1 device now?
Ian 23 wrote:@Unregistered
"Basically, if you wanted a phone with kinetic scrolling in the OS, why didn't you buy one?"
Because there were NO Nokia phones with KS in January 2009 (when I bought my 5880), that's why 😊I was considering N97 in June, but guess what - it did not have kinetic scroll either. It now finally does, but Nokia forgot to put memory in... 😊
X6 - please show me, where can I buy this now? Have you even seen one? N97 mini? Coming soon.
And in the meantime Symbian Foundation basically declared ^1 obsolete, Qt is the future etc. Will I see this future on N97 mini or X6? I want to upgrade, ready to pay, but lost my trust in Nokia. Should I really upgrade to ^1 device now?
So you bought and old phone and want a new one for free?
N97 Mini is shipping now and are in stock with several sellers for more than twice the cost of a 5800.
X6 is available on 11 december. About the same price as a N97 mini.
Nokia 5530 is shipping now with kinetic scrolling about the same price as a 5800 but no 3G.
You get what you pay for.
You could go and buy an Android phone. There are currently Android 1.5 and 1.6 phones in the shops. But if you buy 1.6 now, 2.0 is coming soon with Multi-touch. NO guarantee that you could upgrade.
Or buy an iPhone 3GS for silly money, but there is a 4GS rumoured for June 2010 with dual core processing.
Do what you like.
@Unregistered
Can you read and understand? 😊 I bought 5800 in January 2009, it was not old then. It was the one and only Nokia with touch. State of the art, top of the line, at least for Nokia 😊 So your suggestion would be to not buy 5800 in January, because it was crap, wait till November for something better, yet unknown at that time? 😊 So now, would you recommend not to buy N97 mini, because it is crap, wait for ^2? And In the months you will say, you have old N97 mini, piece of junk, don't expect ^2?
I do not understand you logic.
Why you can run latest iPhone OS on first, two year old iPhone? Why HTC will issue Android 2.0 for Hero? They could say, as you do, forget your "old" phones, buy new ones 😊
If you bought a PC with Vista, would you expect having a possibility to upgrade to Windows7, or you accept, that it is obsolete after 10 months?
Ian 23 wrote:
Can you read and understand? 😊
Yes. Can you?
Ian 23 wrote:
I bought 5800 in January 2009, it was not old then. It was the one and only Nokia with touch. State of the art, top of the line, at least for Nokia 😊
5800 was never state of the art or top of the line. Nokia sold several phones above it in the range. It was the only one with touch, yes, but it has always been a budget phone in a plasticky case.
Check the prices.
Ian 23 wrote:
So your suggestion would be to not buy 5800 in January, because it was crap, wait till November for something better, yet unknown at that time? 😊 So now, would you recommend not to buy N97 mini, because it is crap, wait for ^2? And In the months you will say, you have old N97 mini, piece of junk, don't expect ^2?
You knew that 5800 didn't have kinetic scrolling when you bought it. If you didn't like it then why buy it? If you did like it, then what's wrong with it now. Did anyone from Nokia promise you kinetic scrolling when you bought it?
Ian 23 wrote:
I do not understand you logic.
You don't understand that you get what you pay for?
Ian 23 wrote:
Why you can run latest iPhone OS on first, two year old iPhone?
You can't. Who told you that?
Ian 23 wrote:
Why HTC will issue Android 2.0 for Hero? They could say, as you do, forget your "old" phones, buy new ones 😊
Hero is a 600 euro phone. 5800 is a 200 euro phone. There is no guarantee of Android 2.0 for all Android phones, regardless of whether they are HTC or not. Most Android phones will not be upgradeable to Eclair.
Ian 23 wrote:
If you bought a PC with Vista, would you expect having a possibility to upgrade to Windows7, or you accept, that it is obsolete after 10 months?
1. A PC upgrade to Windows 7 Home Premium from Vista is $119 US dollars. Not free.
2. A PC with vista is not obsolete.
3. A 5800 without kinetic scrolling is not obsolete.
Contrary to many (the majority?) of the posters here, I expect great things from Symbian in the future.
http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/blog/blog1.php/2009/10/31/the-future-of-symbian
@Unregistered
OK, I understand you have different expectations than me. Customers are different. Some will accept everything and be happy, some will not.
I had almost the same case with E90 not too long ago and that was not low end phone by any means. Abandoned by Nokia almost immediately.
And check your facts - iPhone OS 3.1 WILL work on 1st gen iPhone, just some functionality will not work (MMS etc.). Your arguments are pointless if they are based on made up facts 😊
Do you even use Nokia phone by the way? 😊 Which one?
Ian 23 wrote:@Unregistered
OK, I understand you have different expectations than me. Customers are different. Some will accept everything and be happy, some will not.
I am realistic. I buy cheap I don't expect much.
Ian 23 wrote:@
And check your facts - iPhone OS 3.1 WILL work on 1st gen iPhone, just some functionality will not work (MMS etc.). Your arguments are pointless if they are based on made up facts 😊
You don't have any facts or any argument. Made up facts like the 5800 was "state of the art" and "top of the line"? All the other facts that you avoided? You bought a cheap phone. The point is that if you bought a 1st gen iPhone, you still have a 1st gen iPhone even with OS 3.
It will run but you won't get GPS, MMS, UMTS, HSDPA, compass, nor a better camera, faster processor and graphics or even a better signal strength because of the plastic. There's a few more.
So it's still the crap phone from 2 years ago.
Nokia have released 10, 11, 12, 20, 21, 30 and 31 for the 5800. It works on all the 5800s.
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Do you even use Nokia phone by the way? 😊 Which one?[/QUOTE]
A 5800 cheapo plastic phone. Basic value for money.
@Unregistered
Fine, I agree with you - Nokia 5800 is a cheap plastic crap phone from 1 year ago. I should not expect much from it then. It would be a waste of time for Nokia to release kinetic scroll for it or improve the home screen - why bother improving this cheap junk.
Indeed, I don't know why Apple supports first generation crap iPhones with new OS and keeps one software version for everybody - big mistake. They should maintain separate OS version for each phone model and keep old models on old versions - as Nokia does. More expensive to maintain, but good for customers! 😊
"inspirational idea" you mean 'aspirational' surely?
Who'll be in charge of firmware updates once these new versions of Symbian reach the public? It could be interesting if the phone manufacturers get to focus on the hardware while the Symbian foundation takes care of bug fixes / upgrades.
stop bashig the commenters, he has a good point, they should work on current products rather than release and release one after another each month, is driving people away from Symbian/Nokia. (N97 owners)
KINETIC SCROLLING
ok if you have KS in 5800/N97, why not all applications? that's really stupid, why should I buy another phone?, I'm not a Nokia follower that buys every single phone they make, I just want a phone that has what it should have.
pure BS trying to defend Nokia on this letdown, yea maybe I should buy a iPhone but it's a ripoff, something that is catching my attention is Android or Maemo but maemo is a coin toss, not many applications, they have announced Mameo 6, so knowing what the future will be, Android might be the best option for today, "since they update their OS", N900 will have Mameo 6? with Nokia sticking their nose... you never know...
Symbian is the most advanced mobile OS in the world in features but there's so many models out there, is there only one person developing the firmware updates? they take sooo long for release.
>Maybe I am wrong but this is already possible with Android, isn't it?
Yes, almost everything. The video looks a lot like HTC Sense. In my HTC Hero, People app (contacts) has integration with Facebook, email and messaging. Widgets are there on the main screen, of course with Twitter, FB, calendar. Google Maps is there, you can also install an app for editing your own Google maps from web. And Layar has the augmented reality view -- what you cannot easily (but still could) do is to add your own content to Layar.
What is bad is that this is a future concept video -- of things that already almost all run on current devices.
..but repair your old products first. I am using E75 which is probably the worst Symbian phone ever. Old E71 was great so I was waiting this new model to be even better, but no, it has problems with email, calls, battery lifetime.... and product is half year old, still no software update, WTF?!?!?
Gravity has it on the 5800 and comparing the two side-by-side, it's nothing more than a pleasant effect really. Nice to have but not a deal maker (or breaker). Maybe for really long lists, say you have 60+ contacts (not very typical). Even then the adaptive search that is already present on the 5800 would be much more useful for this.
And for god sakes, you all sound like idiots as well. Look, *as the article said* this is just a concept video. It's unlikely Nokia will use the general cartoonish theme, but it's meant to match the Symbian Foundation's branding, nothing more.
Work began on the 5800, N97 etc even before the Symbian Foundation was announced so comments like 'they can't even get their current products right' are just daft.
And by the way, the 5800 is a very nice phone. The resistive screen can be a little dicky sometimes but that's about the height of the problems. There are very good and valid reasons to put a resistive screen in a phone as well so it's not such a stupid choice.
The "Concept" does appear to be rather/a lot like what's basically nearly available on other platforms (Motoblur, Sense, SE'sUX) and slightly me-too-ish on the social networking bandwagon. That's fine in fact you'd expect features like these as a bare minimum in a future platform (although I personally think the whole thing is seriously overhyped) but it seems slightly lacking in ambition as a future "Concept" presentation and particularly assuming this is not going to be seen until Symbian^3 or ^4 as I asume ^2 is fully hardened. The time taken to implement change is the killer for Symbian at mom and sometimes it seems like they've read about cool features but never actually seen other platforms.