Software/Firmware version 22.009.202.01 now available for the Nokia E52. Appears to only be available via NSU, not OTA at this time in the UK, at least. Probably just bug fixes, it would seem at this stage, as no noticeable additions like the PodCasting app or Internet Radio are present. May be worth upgrading if you're having problems, but beware - take your backup and restore as the NSU wipes the device clean, of course.
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Hi There,
I was just wondering how many people have managed to get the GPS working on an E52. This is driving me crazy because it works perfectly with A-GPS but without the internet connection there is just no way to get a fix.
Does anyone have an idea if it is a dud phone or just a software issue? I guess I should take it back to the nokia care centre...
Cheers.
In Russia it's also available only on NSU. Looks like all bugs are still in place.
This is also available for the E55.
I'm rather put out about the lack of OTA update, seeing as OTA was one of the unique selling points I based my purchase of the E55 on!!!
OTA may well come later. It sometimes happens that way.
@unregistered:
Try taking the phone and leaving it looking for GPS in the middle of the garden or on a rooftop, where it can see the sky. Leave it there for 30 minutes, to build a full almanac. Let me know if it makes a difference thereafter.
I'm not quite sure why you don't want it to use Assisted GPS though - it's only a few K of data!
This might be beside the point, but can you show me how to use A-GPS ? I just installed Ovi maps and loaded the maps. Is there any setting that we need to do ?
Im a different unregistered by the way.
Unregistered wrote:I was just wondering how many people have managed to get the GPS working on an E52. This is driving me crazy because it works perfectly with A-GPS but without the internet connection there is just no way to get a fix.Does anyone have an idea if it is a dud phone or just a software issue? I guess I should take it back to the nokia care centre...
I live downtown, surrounded by large apartment/office buildings, and the GPS won't start here at all. I left it on the whole night once by the window in my kitchen, and by morning it still didn't have any signal.
However, when I'm in open areas or in a car in the countryside, the GPS will find me after 10-15 minutes or so. And after it been found, it keep the signal rather well when I get back downtown.
Still, I read on the Nokia forum that the GPS is defective on some E52s, so they have to be taken to Nokia care centres and have their motherboard replaced, although this is only on some of the early grey metal models and I got the later black model.
Hi, I had the same problem getting a GPS singal lock, and then i switched off the GSP and A-GPS positioning options, the restarted my E52.
i turned on the GSP and Assisted GPS options again, and i did what Steve just said, and left the phone out in an open garden, and now it uses both the GSP and Assisted GPS, working fine.
Thanks for that Steve!
Go get A GPS, go to:
Menu >> Ctrl.Panel >> Settings >> General >> Positioning >> Positioning Methods >> then check the A-GPS and GPS.
Just to confirm, this OTA firmware update aint available in Ireland either.
Regards,
Darren.
To explain some of the above, there are widespread misconceptions about how GPS and Assisted GPS works. Maybe I should write a troubleshooting tutorial, Rafe?
A tutorial article focusing on Ovi maps would be quite useful Steve... More so if u can do one before I go for my thanksgiving holiday 😊 Heh...
No updates yet for my E55 variant which I bought in the UK...
Any reviews out?
Another forum where the new firmware review might appear: http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_e52-reviews-2792.php
Any luck with garmin xt with the new 22.009 firmware?
Kazutoyo wrote:I don't want to use A-GPS either and thus never used it, and here are my experiences. But note that this is all from the old firmware, I haven't tried the new one yet.I live downtown, surrounded by large apartment/office buildings, and the GPS won't start here at all. I left it on the whole night once by the window in my kitchen, and by morning it still didn't have any signal.
However, when I'm in open areas or in a car in the countryside, the GPS will find me after 10-15 minutes or so. And after it been found, it keep the signal rather well when I get back downtown.
Still, I read on the Nokia forum that the GPS is defective on some E52s, so they have to be taken to Nokia care centres and have their motherboard replaced, although this is only on some of the early grey metal models and I got the later black model.
Well, what do you expect? In a built-up area, your phone can't see much of the sky, meaing it can't get a position; this explains why your phone DOES work in open areas. If you did use A-GPS in a built-up area, your phone would rapidly know roughly where it was, possibly enabling it to gain a proper GPS signal.
Of course, the question really is, why do you choose not to use A-GPS? I mean, there's nothing like making life difficult for yourself...
buster wrote:Well, what do you expect? In a built-up area, your phone can't see much of the sky, meaing it can't get a position; this explains why your phone DOES work in open areas. If you did use A-GPS in a built-up area, your phone would rapidly know roughly where it was, possibly enabling it to gain a proper GPS signal.Of course, the question really is, why do you choose not to use A-GPS? I mean, there's nothing like making life difficult for yourself...
Steve and Buster.
As usual Steve and co are in their own little world. Have you checked that every plan on every network in the world allows or is capable of data connections? Have you considered that some might be using their GPS out of range of any cell ? Like on a boat at sea or up a mountain? Have you considered that some data plans charge for the full quota of data even if the customer only uses one byte?
Some people need to start thinking beyond their parochial little worlds of their own.
Of course, the question really is, why do you choose not to use your brain? I mean, there's nothig like making life difficult for yourself.
buster wrote:Well, what do you expect? In a built-up area, your phone can't see much of the sky, meaing it can't get a position; this explains why your phone DOES work in open areas.
Well, a TomTom device has no data connection but mine gets a position fix in less than five seconds in the same place that the Cellphone can't get a fix.
Unfortunately, that's the difference between a dedicated GPS device and a phone containing a less-sensitive, lower-power GPS chip...
Unregistered wrote:Steve and Buster.As usual Steve and co are in their own little world. Have you checked that every plan on every network in the world allows or is capable of data connections? Have you considered that some might be using their GPS out of range of any cell ? Like on a boat at sea or up a mountain? Have you considered that some data plans charge for the full quota of data even if the customer only uses one byte?
Some people need to start thinking beyond their parochial little worlds of their own.
Of course, the question really is, why do you choose not to use your brain? I mean, there's nothig like making life difficult for yourself.
So you buy an expensive smartphone WITHOUT a data account; seems to me someone else ought to start using their brain.
As you pointed out yourself, your phone DOES get a fix on a boat, up a mountain, so the only place where you seem to be having trouble is in town, where A-GPS would be a real help IF you chose to use it, which you do not. In this case, the problem is very much with the user and not the device. I agree that data-plans vary from country to country, but, unless you can prove the contrary, I'd be amazed if someone who could afford a fairly expensive phone could not afford the occasional few KB needed for an A-GPS fix.
Not everyone needs a data plan to make use of a smartphone. I don't. So please stop being so patronising like those silly Apple ads. I have 100s of uses for my brilliant E55, but only 1-2% of them requires a connection to the internet.
Anyway A-GPS is great, but you can't access it everywhere. In parts of the Lakes and Scottish Highlands one can't get any phone signal and can't rely on A-GPS. As you may or may not know, weather isn't the best out there and even on the mountains one can struggle to gain a fix due to cloud cover and heavy rain.
People just have to realise that GPS receivers on a phone is much weaker than a dedicated Bluetooth GPS receiver. I took a E75 up to the fells once and it took about 10 minutes to gain a lock where as my cheap as chips Bluetooth GPS receiver took about a minute to gain a lock. The only reason I am not complaining is I knew that a phone's built-in receiver will be weaker.
Moral of the story? Smartphones are jacks of all trades but master of none. Expect them to operate as such and you will probably won't be disappointed by the E52/E55.
buster wrote:So you buy an expensive smartphone WITHOUT a data account; seems to me someone else ought to start using their brain.As you pointed out yourself, your phone DOES get a fix on a boat, up a mountain, so the only place where you seem to be having trouble is in town, where A-GPS would be a real help IF you chose to use it, which you do not. In this case, the problem is very much with the user and not the device. I agree that data-plans vary from country to country, but, unless you can prove the contrary, I'd be amazed if someone who could afford a fairly expensive phone could not afford the occasional few KB needed for an A-GPS fix.
1. E52 is not expensive. Even going by UK prices:
An expensive phone would be an N97 at over 400 UK pounds.
2. When it is possible to utilise all the browsing and email capabilities of a phone using its WLAN connectivity, it is perfectly reasonable to use this phone without a data account.
3. Other GPS devices get a fix without A-GPS in the same place the E52 can't.
Yes, perhaps someone else needs to start using their brain, someone needs to do it on your small-minded behalf. There is absolutely no reason that I should have to use MY phone on YOUR terms. Mind your own business.
Oh for God's sake, have it your own way. I'm not telling you how to use your phone (I couldn't give sh*t to be honest) bit I AM telling you how your phone works, and why A-GPS is such a boon. If you can't see that, well that's your problem.
When you say "other GPS devices" you don't say "other GPS equipped phones"; that's a critical difference, but I guess you are so full of your own importance you can't see that. But hey, you carry on as you are, that's your perogative.
Unregistered wrote:Not everyone needs a data plan to make use of a smartphone. I don't. So please stop being so patronising like those silly Apple ads. I have 100s of uses for my brilliant E55, but only 1-2% of them requires a connection to the internet.Anyway A-GPS is great, but you can't access it everywhere. In parts of the Lakes and Scottish Highlands one can't get any phone signal and can't rely on A-GPS. As you may or may not know, weather isn't the best out there and even on the mountains one can struggle to gain a fix due to cloud cover and heavy rain.
People just have to realise that GPS receivers on a phone is much weaker than a dedicated Bluetooth GPS receiver. I took a E75 up to the fells once and it took about 10 minutes to gain a lock where as my cheap as chips Bluetooth GPS receiver took about a minute to gain a lock. The only reason I am not complaining is I knew that a phone's built-in receiver will be weaker.
Moral of the story? Smartphones are jacks of all trades but master of none. Expect them to operate as such and you will probably won't be disappointed by the E52/E55.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be patronising, I was simply responding in the same tone as the previous comment to mine. And I agree entirely with your last two paragraphs; unfortunately, I suspect that won't be the same for all contributors to this thread...
buster wrote:Sorry, I didn't mean to be patronising, I was simply responding in the same tone as the previous comment to mine. And I agree entirely with your last two paragraphs; unfortunately, I suspect that won't be the same for all contributors to this thread...
Nope. Not all contributors will tolerate your superciliousness and sanctimonious preaching about what other people should be doing.
Your original tone:
"Of course, the question really is, why do you choose not to use A-GPS? I mean, there's nothing like making life difficult for yourself... "
Was the ignition for the exchange, you go the same back so you are responsible for the tone. So add hypocracy to the list of suitable adjectives.
buster wrote:When you say "other GPS devices" you don't say "other GPS equipped phones"; that's a critical difference, but I guess you are so full of your own importance you can't see that. But hey, you carry on as you are, that's your perogative.
It's not my perogative, I have no choice, which is why people suggesting I use A-GPS where it is impossible should STFU.
buster wrote:Well, what do you expect? In a built-up area, your phone can't see much of the sky, meaing it can't get a position; this explains why your phone DOES work in open areas. If you did use A-GPS in a built-up area, your phone would rapidly know roughly where it was, possibly enabling it to gain a proper GPS signal.Of course, the question really is, why do you choose not to use A-GPS? I mean, there's nothing like making life difficult for yourself...
buster wrote:So you buy an expensive smartphone WITHOUT a data account; seems to me someone else ought to start using their brain.
buster wrote:Sorry, I didn't mean to be patronising
You're all right; I overreacted, and I apologise for everything I said; I shall say nothing more on the subject.
Buster got pwned
Just wanted to share that I just completed the firmware update through NSU. All my data and settings were retained!
Has anyone else had the same experience?
....hey peoples....why not everyone stop using the thread and get back to the point in question...no need for the hate....so lets stop...come on peoples...lets all have a group hug and talk about the phone and those that need/can give help....
Feeling the love since 1974....