Ewan continues his multipart look at the new Nokia X6 Comes with Music. Part 1 of this review looked at the X6's externals, while part 2 was heavily critical of the core Music player and performance. In this, part 3, he looks at the X6's camera and photography functions - can even the X6 transform Ewan into photographer of the year?
Read on in the full article.
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I see your problem right there .. see those 2 LED thingys .. well one of em needs to be a Big XENON !!! .. ok nuff said 😊
Oh ohh I see a xenon vs led fight starting again. Ewan you are quite right but I don't think it was worth mentioning, it's not a phone made for imaging so I wouldn't expect it.
I think I should make the xenon points now.
Xenon is undeniably better, how well LED is doing is besides the point, for a phone like this it is a very good point, and can be compared with past LED lights, for an imaging flagship argument it holds no ground
the argument of size to fit in a xenon is not valid the nokia 6220 classic was very thin
nokia have clearly run into some sort of competition issue? It just seems all too fishy to me that nokia have decided to pull xenon. Notice how nokia quickly without need pulled the 6220 classic and replaced it with the 6720 ( I think it's called) it's pretty much identical minus the xenon.
Once again it does not matter for most phones nokia release but since they call the n86 their flagship imaging device, complaints should be expected.
I think you've glancingly hit the nail on the head Ewan
One reason the X6 is basically the same as the 5800-N97/N97mini (especially the later two) and the reason I think they have repeated the glaring hardware and software faults of the N97's is that they DO have most of their resources working on either Maemo and it's next generations or SF^3 but mostly SF^4 and related handsets. Therefore are trying to change as little on the hardware platform as possible (like leaving woeful RAM level unchanged) so they don't have to allocate extra resources to changing code on an already dead platform to bring out new handsets. I can't believe they haven't realised that the N97's and the X6 don't really cut it but have released them as interim measures on what is basically the 5800 platform (which in itself was an interim measure based on old platform) whilst they get modern generation platforms together.
Which is unfortunate for those who pay �449 for an X6 (even allowing for CWM) and those who bought into the N97 as a flagship models. They're all very poor. Nokia better pray the new iPhone isn't as good as rumours imply or their new platforms are unbelievable and they're not caught aiming at the previous generation iPhone only to be caught with their pants down by the new generation release again.
X6, not having a Xenon flash considering it ain't a camera-centric device is forgivable. But being way overpriced, even more expensive than the flagship N97 is just simply pointless! I don't see this device following the success of 5800 or even N97.
Hurlley wrote:Oh ohh I see a xenon vs led fight starting again. Ewan you are quite right but I don't think it was worth mentioning, it's not a phone made for imaging so I wouldn't expect it.I think I should make the xenon points now.
Xenon is undeniably better, how well LED is doing is besides the point, for a phone like this it is a very good point, and can be compared with past LED lights, for an imaging flagship argument it holds no ground
the argument of size to fit in a xenon is not valid the nokia 6220 classic was very thin
nokia have clearly run into some sort of competition issue? It just seems all too fishy to me that nokia have decided to pull xenon. Notice how nokia quickly without need pulled the 6220 classic and replaced it with the 6720 ( I think it's called) it's pretty much identical minus the xenon.
Once again it does not matter for most phones nokia release but since they call the n86 their flagship imaging device, complaints should be expected.
Good points, and very well made.
Its not an imaging device, but the camera is basically a 3 year old design. Which is pretty poor, especially for the price. Also the LEDs are in the wrong place - they should be by the side or above. Not below. Putting them below tends to make pictures look a little unnatural.
The N86 didn't have Xenon due to "size". Which is a little bizarre, as the N82 isn't exactly what you'd call huge, neither are other such as the C905.
However Nokia are in dire need of something to give their range a bit of flash (excuse the poor pun). The 5530, 5800, X6, N97 and N97 mini all have the same resolution screen, same processor and same memory - the only differentiations are minor differences in other hardware, and they're charging one helluva lot for those minor differences.
I know that there is a lot more to a camera than pixel counts, but Nokias flagship has 8mp and LEDs, the SE flagship has Xenon and LED. Hellooooo Nokia, do you actually have a clue, or is your collective head still up your collective corporate back side.
I've seriously liked some of the Nokia products over the years - my N73 and N95 are still running well, but the 5800 was basically a UI disaster after what seemed to be promised from their original ideas, it seemed like a hastily put together stop gap.
I was kinda hoping that the X6 would be the one to correct some of this - sadly it really isn't.
The Apple flagship (V4 in July) is rumoured to have an LED flash - this decision made because of the physical 'footprint'.
The Nexus one has LED.
The Motorola Droid/Milestone had LED.
The flagship HTC WinMo phone (can't remember what it is called) has LED.
The X6 is a music phone. The natural choice is LED. No capacitor recharge, no high voltages, and stay-on flashight mode, less environmental and green manufacture issues (remember Nokia holds an award for green initiatives), longer life on average and more robust.
The people making these decisions are not the 0.001% of phone buyers obsessed with Xenon. They are the ones that know that the dfference xenon makes really isn't all that important to the vast majority and have very real budgetary, marketing and engineering concerns to deal with. Not just armchair evangelism and keyboard campaining.
Why is the photo of the plate of fruits looking dreamy and hazy. Do you have finger grease/muck on the lens window?
"Why is the photo of the plate of fruits looking dreamy and hazy. Do you have finger grease/muck on the lens window?" Tempted to say 'Because Ewan took it', but that would be cruel, so I'll keep a tactful silence. 8-)
slitchfield wrote:"Why is the photo of the plate of fruits looking dreamy and hazy. Do you have finger grease/muck on the lens window?" Tempted to say 'Because Ewan took it', but that would be cruel, so I'll keep a tactful silence. 8-)
It would be true, though.
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Unregistered wrote:The X6 is a music phone. The natural choice is LED. No capacitor recharge, no high voltages, and stay-on flashight mode, less environmental and green manufacture issues (remember Nokia holds an award for green initiatives), longer life on average and more robust.
The people making these decisions are not the 0.001% of phone buyers obsessed with Xenon. They are the ones that know that the dfference xenon makes really isn't all that important to the vast majority and have very real budgetary, marketing and engineering concerns to deal with. Not just armchair evangelism and keyboard campaining.
More robust? What do you actually mean by that? Sorry but the most robust phone ever made by Nokia is the N82 (xenon), period! I would challenge anyone on that. Let do a 'drop on concrete' test or whatever. Anyway, I'm not obsessed with xenon. It's not important to me, but it's nice to have.
Unregistered wrote:More robust? What do you actually mean by that? Sorry but the most robust phone ever made by Nokia is the N82 (xenon), period! I would challenge anyone on that. Let do a 'drop on concrete' test or whatever. Anyway, I'm not obsessed with xenon. It's not important to me, but it's nice to have.
The N82 is strong because it is necessary to provide a strong unit to protect the xenon flash unit. This, of course, costs a lot more to manufacture.
The drop on concrete test should be the flash units on their own. An LED and a XENON bulb/Capacitor/High voltage coil combimnation. Which do you think is the easiest to protect?
In identical casing, LED will do best.
The fact that even the current crop of Windows Mobile phones now offer a far more pleasing UI (Although admittedly out of the box they are in many ways even more confused than S60) really should be a huge embarrassment to Nokia, the amount of ground they have lost over the last year with Symbian is nothing short of staggering. Not only do Maemo 6 and Symbian ^4 need to be staggeringly good, they need to work well from straight out of the box because otherwise Nokia are seriously running the risk of suffering the same fate as Motorola and Sony Ericsson. Whilst I've gotten along quite well with my N97, rather a lot of people haven't, people tend to remember when they get burned by a 500 quid handset. Brand Loyalty doesn't last very long these days.
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Nokia nowdays do not seem to bothered about competing in the Best Camera mobile market,an the others are showing Nokia up,the N82 was a Brilliant camera mobile but they have failed with the N86 because they let this phone down using the N85 body an such weak speakers on it,the X6 is to Overpriced an does not deserve the price tag Nokia have put on it,an this will bring Nokia down again in the Sales Market,Nokia as got stop thinking because of there Good name with the Public they can release any mobile to out sell the others, but people nowdays are looking elsewere instead because the other companies are bring out much better mobiles than Nokia
Ewan wrote:It would be true, though.
How would you rate the general durability of the X6. does it have the delicate,pliable 5530 like battery cover. I have seen the blue/red sidelining break and come off if the phone is dropped. Also the bottom physical keyboard becomes a nasty , oily mess if operated a little.
Edit: In the Edinburgh pic, there is fringing in the tree branches😮
It may be Carl Zeiss optics,but I think the lens is inferior than the N95
raffmonster wrote:How would you rate the general durability of the X6. does it have the delicate,pliable 5530 like battery cover. I have seen the blue/red sidelining break and come off if the phone is dropped. Also the bottom physical keyboard becomes a nasty , oily mess if operated a little.Edit: In the Edinburgh pic, there is fringing in the tree branches😮
It may be Carl Zeiss optics,but I think the lens is inferior than the N95
Carl Zeiss optics. Don't Nokia mean "Carl Zeiss branded optics". Zeiss are not the biggest name in optics by a huge margin, but they have a fair mind share which is what influenced the usage of the brand.
The people making these decisions are not the 0.001% of phone buyers obsessed with Xenon
There seems to be just one little 14 year old who hates Xenon so much that he makes it a point to jump into every xenon discussion and splatter it with stupidity all across, all this while he stays hidden behind the 'Unregistered' tag. Wake up and look at the number of comments here that support Xenon, look at the popularity of N82. People want Xenon in their cameraphones, it's proven to be better than LEDs and Nokia has till date received enough flak for not including it in their phones. That's a fact, deal with it.
Hardeep1singh wrote:There seems to be just one little 14 year old who hates Xenon so much that he makes it a point to jump into every xenon discussion and splatter it with stupidity all across, all this while he stays hidden behind the 'Unregistered' tag. Wake up and look at the number of comments here that support Xenon, look at the popularity of N82. People want Xenon in their cameraphones, it's proven to be better than LEDs and Nokia has till date received enough flak for not including it in their phones. That's a fact, deal with it.
Well said there.
The only real problem (at least in the UK) is that the N82 wasn't really promoted, and the networks didn't appear to like it.
If it was given as an option, people would go for it like a shot. Something that can take pictures of your friends being a complete idiot out at a nightclub (something that almost no phones can do with anything like detail), and then post direct up to facebook - that'd be hugely popular.
But of course Nokia really don't seem to have a clue about the direction they want to go with anything at the moment.
Still, not as bad as SE (and Samsung), who seem to be strangely backing Symbian, WM and Android. Covering all the bases, and not necessarily covering them well.
Hardeep1singh wrote:There seems to be just one little 14 year old who hates Xenon so much that he makes it a point to jump into every xenon discussion and splatter it with stupidity all across, all this while he stays hidden behind the 'Unregistered' tag. Wake up and look at the number of comments here that support Xenon, look at the popularity of N82. People want Xenon in their cameraphones, it's proven to be better than LEDs and Nokia has till date received enough flak for not including it in their phones. That's a fact, deal with it.
You are mistaking "spatter it with stupidity" with something you disagree with.
It makes no difference whether it is unregistered or not. You still don't know me if I use my full name.
Some people want Xenon, those people are particularly voracious and noisy and attracted to forums to bleat about it But there aren't that many people who are that bothered, it's not expected for them to post about it. I see the number of comments about Xenon. Maybe 10 or so people have mentioned it. What's the size of the smartphone market? Billions?
Don't tell me, tell Apple, HTC, Motorola. If it was so simple and such an advantage, they would do it. So why don't they? I can think of a single explanation, it's not so simple and such an advantage please a few potential buyers. I've given several other reasons tha Xenon is not used in these leading phones, but your only argument back is personal insults.
You don't like to hear it but you are a small minority. It's a niche requirement.
Oh, and for information I don't hate Xenon, I own a Satio. I am just trying to suggest some of the reasons why the leading phones don't use it. The fact that you can't handle it is not my problem.
It seems that X6 also suffers from a badly transparent plastic cover. Steve can you please try to remove the whole back cover and make a picture. Or better if you can make two same pictures, one with and one without the cover so we can see the difference.
Removing the cover from 5800 works wonders.
Artz wrote:It seems that X6 also suffers from a badly transparent plastic cover. Steve can you please try to remove the whole back cover and make a picture. Or better if you can make two same pictures, one with and one without the cover so we can see the difference.Removing the cover from 5800 works wonders.
The back cover has a cutout for the lens, so it never leaves the camera housing.
Ewan wrote:The back cover has a cutout for the lens, so it never leaves the camera housing.
Yes, I see now.
That plastic is making pictures look blur and without contrast or good color. Really bad design. It makes a world of difference when you take out 5800 back cover and take a picture.
Artz wrote:Yes, I see now.
That plastic is making pictures look blur and without contrast or good color. Really bad design. It makes a world of difference when you take out 5800 back cover and take a picture.
The 5800 and X6 have different back designs. I never realised that the lens cover on the 5800 was actually part of the back - thats different to almost all other Symbian devices. The 5800 camera is also let down by the fact that its got a ridiculously small sensor.
The X6 is a different design - the lens/cover is actually built over the lens. Its no better (and effectively possibly worse) than the N95 (ie. no separate lens cover)
Steve, 640 by 360 is 16:9!
Not sure why Nokia call 640 by 352 16:9!
640 divided by 16 is 40
360 divided by 9 is 40!
I just bought myself a X6. One of the things one has to do with a new phone is make sure the voicemail settings are correct. Calling my voicemail nr and trying to enter the correct DTMF code for voicemailsettings is almost impossible on the X6. In fact it is so user unfriendly that I wonder if any of the developers has ever tried to do this on the X6. Even if they do not hav any friends that leave a message they would perhaps call the Ikea hotline to talk to a sweet voice girl. But also that is impossible.
I will explain what I mean.
First you dial the voicemail nr.... than you have to enter a digit to enter into the menu.
On the X6 you have to go to options...... scroll all the way down...... DTMF send... you get another menu on the X6 search or manual... select manual... enter the digit (ie3) and press enter... By that time the line has been cut because it took to long before you made a choice... Frustrating No just plain NOKIA making feel you made the wrong choice and should have stuck with Palm, Apple or even a Chinese Android phone.
This simple selection takes 6 actions while on any modern phone like iPhone, Palm Pre or Android this is as simple as only one action namely pressing the digit you want (in this case 3).
I really wonder what these developers were doing while they were making this User Interface, alcohol is populair in Finland. And if you're out of a job because you make lousy software you have more time for drinking..... Simple Nokia Logic I guess!-)
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