Qualcomm CEO Paul Jacobs confirmed to the Helsingin Sanomat that they are working with Nokia to have a Snapdragon processor running with Symbian by the end of this year (reports Stefan at IntoMobile). Snapdragon is of course the processor inside the Google Nexus 1, and provides built in GPS, BlueTooth, WiFi cellular radio chipsets.
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Only for North America though.
what do you mean only for NA?
Very funny Ewan Spence , when you say nokia may go direct to 1.3 GHz, when they are years late in putting even 1 GHz or 800 MHz processor, world was going after 1 GHz and Nokia was happy with 369 MHz overclocked at 434? situation is still very same. First weight long for them to put 1 GHz and they will do so when other companies will move to next generation processors. For how long nokia will take its good market position for granted. they need to stand up and tighten there screws i feel.
Its understandable to put outdated hardware in cheap Symbian phones but i don't know, what decision makers at Nokia tried to achieve with outdated hardware on N97 and N97 Mini, Apart from losing some market share and letting the competitors laugh on them, even Symbian lovers could not defend N97 only due to poor processor and RAM, but they blamed the OS, Symbian mostly.
What market share did they lose?
@giggig:
It wasn't a 369 MHz processor overclocked at 434 MHz, it was a 434 MHz processor initially UNDERclocked at 369 MHz and now running at its nominal speed.
No manufacturer would deliberately overclock components in production devices knowing the consequences for operating temperature and stability and the impact on battery life, both of which are already problematic enough - not just for Nokia but for all manufacturers.
Why would they choose Snapdragon, when OMAP3 is cheaper, more powerful (compare graphics and multi-tasking capabilities of existing phones) and drains less battery!?!?
Unregistered wrote:Why would they choose Snapdragon, when OMAP3 is cheaper, more powerful (compare graphics and multi-tasking capabilities of existing phones) and drains less battery!?!?
Propably related to these being spesificly designed for NA market, and Qualcomms close relationship with american networks.
The way that Helsingin Sanomat article is written hints strongly that Nokia has finally caved into demands of those operators. Except these to be seriously cripled, or designed to have feature set according to network wishes.
Unregistered wrote:Why would they choose Snapdragon, when OMAP3 is cheaper, more powerful (compare graphics and multi-tasking capabilities of existing phones) and drains less battery!?!?
Are you sure about the pricing advantages of the OMAP3 over the snapdragon? The CPU core is basically the same in both (Cortex A8), similar possible overall performance, offering 720p video, 12mp imaging support, DSP, etc.
How can you compare graphics and multi tasking though - you're likely to be comparing totally different devices with very different overall designs.
I want to comment that Snapdragon is using ARMv7 instruction set, but it is not the same implementation as found on the TI OMAP 3, that is A8, Snapdragon is using Qualcomm implementation and it different to the other Cortex A8 or A9 implementation, these two are fully developed by ARM.
agree with the comment on NA. This is nokia's move to get back in North America. The new phones will probably be CDMA EDvo that will work on Verizon and Sprint type networks. Meaning SimCard-less phones. Nokia might stay with Omap in their GSM 3G SimCard phones. At first though. They might decide differently along the way.
Unregistered wrote:agree with the comment on NA. This is nokia's move to get back in North America. The new phones will probably be CDMA EDvo that will work on Verizon and Sprint type networks. Meaning SimCard-less phones. Nokia might stay with Omap in their GSM 3G SimCard phones. At first though. They might decide differently along the way.
Eh? You what? You do realise that what you've just written makes almost precisely no sense whatsoever.
Strange that the iPhone has done amazingly well in america even though it isn't CDMA.
Nope, nothing to do with CDMA, Nokia have been doing CDMA kit for years.
Its purely down to performance and probably pricing - no doubt Nokia are going to get a relatively good deal, even if only down to the quantities that they're going to be buying. Remember that despite all the blogging stupidity over "Nokia is done, Symbian is dead", Nokia are still by far and away the biggest sellers of smartphones on the planet.
clonmult wrote: Remember that despite all the blogging stupidity over "Nokia is done, Symbian is dead", Nokia are still by far and away the biggest sellers of smartphones on the planet.
While that's true, this is only because of the low end and cheap smartphones they make, ala 5800 and 5230. While those are very good considering price, Nokia have been out of the top end battles for quite some time.
Quite frankly, Nokia have been producing pure rubbish.
The N97 was a joke of mythical proportions. Not only was there issues with build - which Nokia refused to do anything about for a long time - but it is woefully underpowered.
Enter the N97 mini, too late and too little, with a price tag thats simply not justified.
The N86 seems to be a decent phone by most accounts, but Nokia seem to have lost interest in their non touchscreen phones. Good example being the 5800 getting free Ovi maps, but the N86 still in limbo.
Whatever possessed Nokia to think that the N97's processor would be ok is beyond most people. Especially something claimed to be a 'mini computer.'
Snapdragon or OMAP, Nokia should have gotten with them a long time ago, rather than reserving it for the N900.
@bartman...
> Nokia have been out of the top end battles for quite some time.
> Quite frankly, Nokia have been producing pure rubbish.
Oh dear, I'm afraid your own personal bitterness is rather on display here. Guess you bought an N97 or similar and then didn't like it. Dorry if that's the case, but if you'd calmed down a bit and said that some of Nokia's latest top end smartphones were less competitive than they could have been in some respects (mainly UI it has to be said) then that would have been a fair and balanced assessment.
As it is with comments like you've made you're going to be lumped in with all the 'Nokia and Symbian are dead' loonies on the net, who see the next thing to criticise and jump on it.
May I remind you that actually the N97/mini have done not badly at all, despite some initial hiccups, and this notion that Nokia's smartphone success is purely down to the low end is myth. Prove it.
What's more, Nokia's smartphone market share grew 5% last quarter, which is HUGE all things considered, while poor old Apple's remained static, which is REALLY bad news for them, as it's traditionally the iPhone's strongest quarter, so a bit of a shocking result for iPhone which is also traditionally flat in the first half of the year until a new iPhone emerges.
With all the recent amazing Nokia announcements (Symbian^3 demo, free Maps+Nav, Ovi Store successes, MeeGo) smart investors will be dumping Apple and Android shares, and rushing to buy Nokia.
Does anyone have any proof of which is faster of the omap3 and the snapdragon? Comparing 2 different devices is useless because software optimisations play such a big role.
Unregistered wrote:What's more, Nokia's smartphone market share grew 5% last quarter, which is HUGE all things considered, while poor old Apple's remained static, which is REALLY bad news for them, as it's traditionally the iPhone's strongest quarter, so a bit of a shocking result for iPhone which is also traditionally flat in the first half of the year until a new iPhone emerges.
Nokia are selling Symbian touch screen 3G phones (5530) in the UK through CarPhone Warehouse for �78.95, that's $122 or 90 euros at current rates. These phones are SIM free (no contract) and unlocked.
So it is no surprise that their market share is growing if they can afford to repeat that pricing in all markets.
clonmult wrote:Eh? You what? You do realise that what you've just written makes almost precisely no sense whatsoever.Strange that the iPhone has done amazingly well in america even though it isn't CDMA.
Nope, nothing to do with CDMA, Nokia have been doing CDMA kit for years.
Its purely down to performance and probably pricing - no doubt Nokia are going to get a relatively good deal, even if only down to the quantities that they're going to be buying. Remember that despite all the blogging stupidity over "Nokia is done, Symbian is dead", Nokia are still by far and away the biggest sellers of smartphones on the planet.
This is an opinion and it is unfortunate it does not make sense to you. You probably mistaken that comment above for "Nokia Bashing"
Advertising is big factor in iphone. Something Nokia does not have in NA. That's a complete different story. Not because of GSM vs CDMA. Low prices? Nokia does not have a problem with that but as you say even the iphone sells with high price.
Nokia can convert any GSM phone it has for NA but not to CDMA in NA. Partnering with Qualcomm for that makes it much easier for them. They had to let other OEM manufacture CDMA phones for NA last year. They were not even S40 or S60 as the reviews said.
Releasing CDMA phones will help them regardless, more so than just releasing GSM phones in NA. It makes perfect sense. But we are all speculating here ..no need to get hostile and defensive.
Unregistered wrote:@bartman...
> Nokia have been out of the top end battles for quite some time.
> Quite frankly, Nokia have been producing pure rubbish.Oh dear, I'm afraid your own personal bitterness is rather on display here. Guess you bought an N97 or similar and then didn't like it. Dorry if that's the case, but if you'd calmed down a bit and said that some of Nokia's latest top end smartphones were less competitive than they could have been in some respects (mainly UI it has to be said) then that would have been a fair and balanced assessment.
As it is with comments like you've made you're going to be lumped in with all the 'Nokia and Symbian are dead' loonies on the net, who see the next thing to criticise and jump on it.
May I remind you that actually the N97/mini have done not badly at all, despite some initial hiccups, and this notion that Nokia's smartphone success is purely down to the low end is myth. Prove it.
I haven't bought an N97. However, I moderate these forums, and Nokia users.net. It's no doubt there are many annoyed N97 users, and that it was a very underpowered phone. Can you prove the N97 has done well? I didn't think so. Why don't you look at the network forums (Vodafone etc) to see whats going on as another source?
Even if you could get reliable sales figures - which you can't - this doesn't account for all the returns the networks etc have had.
There are very few non fanboys which are impressed with the N97, I suggest you look at the forums. And Im talking Nokia forums here, both Nokias own and at Nokia users. And obviously here.
Can you name a decent high end Nokia handsets which is good? No, because there simply isn't any. The N900, which while does seem to be getting good feedback, is a very niche device, and we have no idea how many Nokia have shipped.
There are actually many people whom want to buy a Nokia device, but there simply isn't anything out there. I've seen so many Nokia ethusiasts move to Android/iphones that there is obviously a massive gap in the market for Nokia.
What % of that market share was due to high end phones? You have no idea. Anyone with half a brain will know it's mainly due to the 5800 (and E series - check the charts released recently), which dispite any shortcomings, is truely an excellent phone in many respects, which is why I am still using one.
What's more, Nokia's smartphone market share grew 5% last quarter, which is HUGE all things considered, while poor old Apple's remained static, which is REALLY bad news for them, as it's traditionally the iPhone's strongest quarter, so a bit of a shocking result for iPhone which is also traditionally flat in the first half of the year until a new iPhone emerges.
Where was that result from? I didn't see the apple one remain static.
With all the recent amazing Nokia announcements (Symbian^3 demo, free Maps+Nav, Ovi Store successes, MeeGo) smart investors will be dumping Apple and Android shares, and rushing to buy Nokia
I have outed many iphone fanboys, now I am outing you as a Nokia fanboy (it doesn't help that your posting as 'unregistered'😉.
I say that, because symbian 3 is only videos. No-one has had a hands on yet. It looks good, but to tout it as something for people to buy Nokias when it's not even due this quarter is far off the mark.
Perhaps the biggest tell tale is that your calling Ovi store a success. In no shape or form is it a success. The only thing that's boosted it is the recent free satnav, giving it a vast amount of downloads.
It's slowly getting better, but it really should have been much better from the start. Poor searches, categories not making sense, and software that was 'free' was in fact trial or pay for apps.
Your mistaking me for someone with a grudge against Nokia. I am someone whom wants to buy a device from them, but they don't have any devices to buy!
Ovi Maps has gotten brilliant. Symbian 3 looks excellent, at least what's been shown (I'm loving the home screens customisation), and yes, the possibilities of meegoo are very good.
But until we see it in action, that's like saying comes with music is going to be great (exceedingly low figures in case you didn't know). Or how about Ngage?
I'm complaining about the fact that the ones who want to upgrade with handsets with highend features can't. And worst of all, currently have no prospect of doing so. Nokia didn't even announce anything at their version of the MWC, so no-one has any idea when handsets running S3 will come out.
You could say there will be when they have given the rough date for S3, which is the 3rd quarter. But with no announcements, no-one has any idea what spec they will be.
I and many others assume that it's going to be reasonably good, considering the things S3 has (HDMI support for example). But given that other makers are shouting about their devices, people are flocking to them.
The halo, XT800, desire, etc etc. Nokia must surely have some phones being made, why not announce them?
Of course Nokia is not going to fall - handsets like the 5800 and S40 type phones are the main moneymaker for them anyway. I'm simply saying that they haven't made any inroads to the highend smartphone market for ages.
I want to buy a Nokia handset, or at least plan to buy one. But at the moment it will be the motorla XT800 if it's released over here. My sentiments are echoed amoung many people.
i don't know how many of you use an N97 mini. I have been a loyal Nokia user for years, and have previously used Treo, and MS Mobile in between. One thing that Nokia does well is support of its products.
Most, if not all, products came out buggy, but i find Nokia to be a fairly responsible company. It always come out with fixes and upgrades. The latest OVI map upgrade is a good example. Top Class products, and that is why I remain to be a nokia user.
I have the N97 mini for 4 months, and I have tried the iphone or the Moto milestone/droid. In terms of overall user experience, I still prefer n97 mini. There are much eye candy on those phones that will please an average, but when you come to real productivity and efficiency, I still prefer Nokia.
It is the software that defines the smartphone (nevertheless, I agree with most that if Nokia continues to use out dated hardware, it will fall behied sooner or later).
I really don't understand what all the hype about desktop like browsing exp. on the Iphone. My opera mini on N97 mini landscape mode is perfect for mobile browsing. And it is 3 times as fast in rendering pages. Too bad, Operamini is horrible on the Droid, and unavailable on the Iphone. And the iphone runs out of juice by mid day. Try listening to music on the Droid. The n97 mini audio quality blows by the droid. And is probably better than the Iphone.
What I find the n97 mini really need is an updated Email Client. That thing is just so outdated.
Folks, it is the software. And I don't buy eye candy.
Trouble is, they shouldn't have been released that buggy in the first place. Everything has bugs, but those on release shouldn't have been there.
And as for support, Nokia is as bad as any other. Try having a phone that's not as popular, as any 6110N owner could tell you. Wonderful phone, but with bugs Nokia never fixed, dispite many people in their own forums informing them about them.
Ovi Maps is still not on older devices, and not so old devices, like the N86 (although you can apperently use the E72 version as a workaround).