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Comment: A return to the old.

8 replies · 5,882 views · Started 20 March 2003

SwitchBlade is off on a rant, could he sense that a return to old values for the PC market may in turn effect other markets, or is he just off his trolley? Read on to find out.

One of the main reasons that the IBM PC beat Amiga and Atari in the home computer market is diversity, the computers could be configured to your exact specification. They may not be as tidy or cutting edge as the Ataris and Amigas, hell the PC was still years behind the competition when it took over. Nontheless, the diversity in the specification of a PC was a main selling point, no longer were you tied to the manufacturer's spec and unable to upgrade it.

In recent years M$ have handed out the "reference model" design to manufacturers of it's pocket PCs, and as a result almost every pocket pc looks like every other one and has a similar system spec and price. The only possible reason for wanting a specific one is possibly the badge on the front or maybe the colour of the buttons on the body. Palm's devices were also starting to follow this trend of almost all looking and being the same until Sony walked in and took the Palm OS and stuck it on a machine that it designed with traditional Sony "look and feel" parts.

Now with the advent of the "Tablet PC", no not a PC you can swallow to cure illness, it is (for the uninitiated) a halfway house between a laptop and a pocket pc, a laptop with a reversable touchscreen and a little pen. To follow the reference design these PCs will all be practically the same and run windoze xp.

Now you may be wondering why people are willing to make devices that are practically the same as everyone elses. The reasoning is cost, in the same way to that of car manufacterers sharing body designs and chasis designs, the cost of production drops as only one set of tooling is needed and various companies share the costs. Then the products are sold at an "agreed" price between the companies so they all make about the same profit on the items.

Now manufacterers are seeing that they can save money by applying these reference models to the humble beige box on your desktop in an effort to cut costs and make more money. As has been seen on the pocket pc market reference models can cause designs and ideas to stagnate and also decreases the chance of variation in the interests of attracting consumers. Would you like to go down the shop and see a selection of all PCs, with about the same price, similar specs and all blatently designed with the same design in mind.

Now to look at another market, the mobile phone market. Manufacters are currently throwing all kinds of different designs and concepts at us in order to make their handset more attractive then the others. All a quite different although mostly concentrating on similar developments and selling points. Now to the fledgeling smartphone market, M$ has sold it's smartphone OS and reference model to the same manufacters of the pocket pcs, so we know what'll happen there. Nokia on the other hand with one OS (series 60) has already produced 3 vastly different devices, the 7650, 3650 and the soon to come N-gage. These devices are all marketed to different groups of people and the designs reflect that, the 7650 (and similarly Siemens new SX-1) are aimed at an older market, late teens and 20 somethings, the 3650 is aimed at kids who want something that stands out with the extra silly functions, and the N-gage is aimed at kids and teen gamers who will use their device more for playing games than making calls. The M$ reference model idea stifles this style of creativity and as such it may be some time until an M$ smartphone is so diverse.

But where was I heading, oh yes, the PC market, there is a fair amount of diversity in the manufacture of these various sized beige boxes, but in the future we may have just large PC, tiny PC, Desktop Laptop, Ultra-portable Laptop, with none of the grey areas in between. Although there may not seem a lot of diversity between the PC designs at fist glance, reading the system specs will reveal a lot of differences, would you forego those in order to have a market similar to the pocket pc, which would in the short term begin to stifle development of better products? I think I'll stick with building my own PCs.

Please take time out to post a comment and answer the poll.

[quote="SwitchBlade"]
In recent years M$ have handed out the "reference model" design to manufacturers of it's pocket PCs, and as a result almost every pocket pc looks like every other one and has a similar system spec and price. The only possible reason for wanting a specific one is possibly the badge on the front or maybe the colour of the buttons on the body. [/quote]

you, Symbian-fanatics, are sooo blind! (nothing personal, no offense, pal.

look at this:

User posted image

... that presents 2 smartphones powered by MS Software. do they look the same to you?

there is a lot of space for differentiation in MS Smartphone (and Pocket PC) space!

PS. having said that, I must admit that I am big fan of MS powered cell phones, but at least I am not blind...

[quote="thejpzr"][quote="SwitchBlade"]
In recent years M$ have handed out the "reference model" design to manufacturers of it's pocket PCs, and as a result almost every pocket pc looks like every other one and has a similar system spec and price. The only possible reason for wanting a specific one is possibly the badge on the front or maybe the colour of the buttons on the body. [/quote]

you, Symbian-fanatics, are sooo blind! (nothing personal, no offense, pal.

look at this:

User posted image

... that presents 2 smartphones powered by MS Software. do they look the same to you?

there is a lot of space for differentiation in MS Smartphone (and Pocket PC) space!

PS. having said that, I must admit that I am big fan of MS powered cell phones, but at least I am not blind...[/quote]

Don't think he ment Design as in looks but more as in specs.
Me, I don't care what I it runs, I just want it to work 😊

I agree wholeheartedly with Switchblade! Sure, thejpzr showed a clamshell and traditional model, but they are the same in their mode of operation. The one phone is no different to the other except that it has a lid.

The 7650 was a pioneering phone. It broke the mold, introduced a design that nobody else had even thought of, and provided facilities that no other smartphone provided.

What makes the 3650 different is more than just a funny shaped keypad. It offers different functionality, different facilities and is targetted at a different market as a different device.

The N-Gage is a completely different species. Although its form factor is massively different from the previous Symbian smartphones, it is not this that makes it a different phone. It's the concept, the objective of its design, it's support by major gamie manufacturers seperates it from previous designs.

All the M$ smartphones are vying for the same market. Symbian, with the devices that are out there and are on their way out, is meeting the needs of proffessionals, yoof, those looking for a laff and all sorts.

Sorry jpzr but those devices you showed us (nice though they are) are to suit taste, Nokia is actually looking to suit different needs.

As for Switchblade, more! More! More!

I think switchblade has a bee in his bonnet about everything MS. It's just a child like mentality in which he feels because of a lack of something in his life he must jump on to the let's bash MS band wagon.

Nobody force's him to buy any MS products and although everyone is allowed there own thoughts but I still wait for the Bias Symbian Army to say that MS have and do good things not only for there product line but also for there commercial client base.

Nokia are being given praise for the 7650 which I have but there is very little support there are no new interesting software realises and it's hugely expensive still.

Robin Howorth

[quote="1234567890"]I think switchblade has a bee in his bonnet about everything MS. It's just a child like mentality in which he feels because of a lack of something in his life he must jump on to the let's bash MS band wagon.[/quote]

Lack of what dear boy? If this harking back to the old, "He's interested in technology, he can't have a sex life." mentality?

Personally I feel I can slag off anything I feel is a bag of shite, be it M$, Ford, Tony Blair, George Bush, Star Trek Voyager, etc.

M$ I slag off cos their products are crap, Ford because their cars are horrible, Blair and Bush for obvious reasons, Voyager because it was the worst Star Trek series ever.

As regards JZPRs post, I've not heard of the device on the left yet, but it looks rather large for a flip phone. What's the system spec and target audience?

I feel certainly in the climate of terrorism that pathetic rants about Microsoft which off course you are entitled to comment about, really should fall on deaf ears. I do find it all mildly amusing to find your web page is produced in a format not dissimilar to a front page product but could wrong as I have yet to stop rolling around the floor after viewing your photo but one of my staff did say it had to be a joke photo.

Just as we all know everyone has a vast choice in life with regard to every single product we choose to buy and I feel an attack on certain product should be kept to the private views of the author and not hosted on a web site which in 99% has factual and informative information where as your views added not a single ounce of interesting information.

I also find it laughable that you feel that our British men and women are risking their lives to rid this world of a true evil man/family is ok to slag off, perhaps when you join the real world and see that everything is not black and white you might make some useful comments until then I really worry.

I never like to make issue personal but I am sure some of the comments you make are libellous and I wonder if they are supported by symbian.

I made no comment about your sex life and as for the photo i do not think
need make any as it speaks for it's self.

[quote="1234567890"]Nobody force's him to buy any MS products and although everyone is allowed there own thoughts but I still wait for the Bias Symbian Army to say that MS have and do good things not only for there product line but also for there commercial client base.

Nokia are being given praise for the 7650 which I have but there is very little support there are no new interesting software realises and it's hugely expensive still.

Robin Howorth[/quote]

No new interesting software releases? So the IRC client, the video recorder, the app for extending the camera functionality and the funky little Winamp controller I've recently downloaded are figments of my imagination?