Following on from his tour of the USA with the Nokia 5230/Nuron, Ewan delivers his final verdict on Nokia's newest and cheapest S60 5th Edition smartphone. There's no Wi-Fi, only a mono speaker, a cheap 2mp fixed focus camera and no flash, but the 5230 still wins out overall by representing enormous value for money for smartphone newcomers.
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Actually, in the US T-mobile is offering it for $70 on a two year contract and $180 on prepaid, or pay as you go.
So is it the worst current touchscreen smartphone in the world?
I bought one of these last week to replace a 6220, and to tide me over with something new until my contract allows an upgrade, and I am really impressed with it.
Software wise, it is as responsive as an N97. I have maps running, music player, and gravity running most of the time.
The only two weaknesses are the lack of wifi (meaning that a decent data plan is a must), and the camera. As you said Ewan the lack of stereo speakers is not an issue for 99.9% of users in real life. The only other thing is that it looks cheap - well built but cheap. Replacing the gray plastic surround with chromed plastic in the style of the N97 may have increased it's appeal to the "bling bling" generation.
They probably should have put a 3.2mp camera in there, (proably did not because of the 5800). Other than that I imagine this would be a very hot Pay Go phone for teenagers, thats why I reckon 3.2 would have been good they would probably be snapping lots of pics. Back in my school days went from 0.3 (Nokia 7250i/3200) early teens to 1.3 late teen (Nokia 6230i) Although that was Nokias flagship right? but then again phones were not through the roof expensive either.
I was searching for some mobiel data plan less than $30. I found it! the 5230's data plan is $10 (unlimited 3G).
I was looking for something that would do Everything myT-Mobile Wing would do. I found it! So what if it doesn't have WiFi?
I was looking for something that had a really usable "Online-Interactive" interface. I found it! FaceBook/E-Mail/GPS/WEB/Gaming/Video, Movie, & MP3 Player.
I have wanted a GPS forever. I found it! Not only a GPS but also a personal locator for your phone built right in.
I wanted Word, Excel, etc. I found it! Runs OpenOffice.
This list is getting long, and I've taken some pictures/videos and there's no yellowing or anything else that would make me say something bad about the camera.
Hello Evan, Steve
which Version of MobiReader works on a 5th Ed. Phone without a keyboard?
Can you please give me a hint how to make the MobiReader work on my 5800XM (what i have found here and elswhere are versions that work on a N97 with a keyboard but not without)?
Regards, Pete
I don't understand your conclusion regarding the 5230.
You point out the UI is inconsistent and not intuitive to the beginner or person moving from a non-S60 phone.
You mention that the GPS works, but usually needs a data connection to get a quicker lock-on. That the camera is the result of cost-cutting. That the screen, in any country that is blessed with sunlight, is unreadable during daylight hours outside.
So, if the phone fails so utterly in those features, which typically are thought to separate the so-called "smartphone" from a "feature phone", why do you expect it to sell in the millions? Is it because people are willing to put up with all these limitations? Is it because they have no choice of phones, and this is it?
And since I'm on the soapbox�
Regarding the S60 5th Edition interface - people who "argue that computers are hard to use and need complex interfaces" apparently haven't a clue. It is possible to design an interface that scales from allowing a beginner to use the phone/computer in a productive manner, all the way up till when they are an expert user. The S60-5 UI does not do this. It is a poorly thought out, hurried executed response to providing a touch screen. Nokia (or symbian or whoever implemented this) did the bare minimum to make the S60 software work with a touch screen. The inconsistencies in the UI, the fact that some screens/apps can be rotated and others not (and what happens when you rotate to the right? With the 5530 nothing), that the scrolling changes based on the application you are using, that the scroll bar is present and damn hard to use if you have big fingers.
The 5th edition exposes all the flaws and inconsistent behaviors in the underlying OS that have been around for years, that Nokia or Symbian have yet to fix. Supposedly Symbian^3 will address all these. We'll see.
(note: my own experience is with a 5530, as the nuron/5230 has only started being offered in the last couple of days. It is the first phone that I plan to return. The user experience is horrible. Compared to the e51 and e63 that I used before, it was a mess).
Unregistered wrote:You mention that the GPS works, but usually needs a data connection to get a quicker lock-on. That the camera is the result of cost-cutting. That the screen, in any country that is blessed with sunlight, is unreadable during daylight hours outside.So, if the phone fails so utterly in those features, which typically are thought to separate the so-called "smartphone" from a "feature phone", why do you expect it to sell in the millions?
The price. Duh!
Unregistered wrote:
You mention that the GPS works, but usually needs a data
Regarding the S60 5th Edition interface - people who "argue that computers are hard to use and need complex interfaces" apparently haven't a clue. It is possible to design an interface that scales from allowing a beginner to use the phone/computer in a productive manner, all the way up till when they are an expert user. The S60-5 UI does not do this. It is a poorly thought out, hurried executed response to providing a touch screen. Nokia (or symbian or whoever implemented this) did the bare minimum to make the S60 software work with a touch screen.
Nah. It's not as good as the others but it's not bad. You poke the screen with your finger and it does stuff. It's not even a big deal. Some people who are not very bright struggle to get on with it but basically it does what it needs to.
Most of the critisisms that Ewan made can be critisism of other phones.
Unregistered wrote:
The inconsistencies in the UI, the fact that some screens/apps can be rotated and others not
Same as the iPhone then.
Unregistered wrote:
The 5th edition exposes all the flaws and inconsistent behaviors in the underlying OS that have been around for years, that Nokia or Symbian have yet to fix. Supposedly Symbian^3 will address all these. We'll see.
What flaws and inconsistent behaviours in the underlying OS?
Unregistered wrote:
(note: my own experience is with a 5530, as the nuron/5230 has only started being offered in the last couple of days. It is the first phone that I plan to return. The user experience is horrible. Compared to the e51 and e63 that I used before, it was a mess).
My own experience is that these 5th Ed. phones are better than the E51 and E63 as well as being considerably cheaper and that there will always be people that are not happy and assume that if they don't like it then nobody likes it.
Unregistered wrote:Hello Evan, Stevewhich Version of MobiReader works on a 5th Ed. Phone without a keyboard?
Can you please give me a hint how to make the MobiReader work on my 5800XM (what i have found here and elswhere are versions that work on a N97 with a keyboard but not without)?Regards, Pete
Google 'virtual keyboard s60v5'. It's a transparent keyboard that enables you to navigate on various incompatible apps with the 5800. Mobireader works with this. It's not elegant, but it works. There is no mobireader for full touchscreen available. It would probably needs signing though.
actually in response to the person who said that this phone is significantly cheaper than the e63 you can get the e63 for $180 on newegg right now. I have one and I think it's a great phone... has wifi too.
A Malaysian retail package of this phone contains a 2GB microSD card, a short micro USB cable and 5 back cover of different colours with stylus just as the 5800 for a price around RM740 (�145) official, and RM580 (�115) unofficial price.
cb50 wrote:actually in response to the person who said that this phone is significantly cheaper than the e63 you can get the e63 for $180 on newegg right now. I have one and I think it's a great phone... has wifi too.
Almost double the price of the 5230 then. Thanks for confirming.
>> You mention that the GPS works, but usually needs a data connection to get a quicker lock-on.
EVERY single GPS receiver in the world suffers from this. You either look at the sky, search for the sats and do a long wait a few minutes for them to broadcast time and position, or download that information from a server and finish far faster.
>> That the camera is the result of cost-cutting.
Of course. It can be said of almost any camera in the world, too. And this one is no worse than the vast majority of cellphone cameras.
As for WiFi, it really is mostly useless in a smartphone that really should have a 3G data plan.
I thought it was a really strange verdict too considering the price of the phone and where it is pitched.
5230 = GPS/3G/2MP - no WiFi around �80
5530 = WiFi/3.2MP - no GPS/3G around �80
5800 = WiFi/3.2MP/GPS/3G around �140-�160
Logical segmentation in my opinion. Pick the one that suits your needs best. I know of people who have no access to 3G, but have WiFi available most of the time - applies to whole nations in some cases. There are others who also have 3G and cheap data plans available.
When critisising the 5230, it should be weighed against other phones at a similar price. Taking the lack of WiFi and a 2MP camera as a negative against the 5230 is like complaining because a Kia Ceed doesn't have split-zone climate control and head-up night vision display.
Unregistered wrote:I thought it was a really strange verdict too considering the price of the phone and where it is pitched.5230 = GPS/3G/2MP - no WiFi around �80
5530 = WiFi/3.2MP - no GPS/3G around �80
5800 = WiFi/3.2MP/GPS/3G around �140-�160
Logical segmentation in my opinion. Pick the one that suits your needs best. I know of people who have no access to 3G, but have WiFi available most of the time - applies to whole nations in some cases. There are others who also have 3G and cheap data plans available.
When critisising the 5230, it should be weighed against other phones at a similar price. Taking the lack of WiFi and a 2MP camera as a negative against the 5230 is like complaining because a Kia Ceed doesn't have split-zone climate control and head-up night vision display.
Thats oh so true, its a ludicrously well specced phone for the price, and it works incredibly well.
It does the basics perfectly well, and those basics are pretty good.
The camera isn't causing me any problems at all, in fact I've probably managed to get better/more creative pics out of the 5230 than I ever did from the N95 or N85.
Right then, let�s address some of the points from the commenters:
gazza_d: Agreed re the wi-fi, you do need an internet connection to get the full benefit. IN terms of the cheaper plastic, it makes the phone incredibly light, and I liked the fact it felt disposable � I could throw it around for my time in America and never worried about it getting damaged. If it did, easy enough to get another.
hurlley: on the 3.2mp camera, we will always want more. i suspect this was built with keep the cost down as much as possible, leave space above for more models and strands. Hence 2mp. It�;s the camera you have with you, and it takes memories. It does its job.
Pete: you�ve got your answer on Mobipocket, I use the last 3rd edition version (N95) they made available.
unregistered: Why will it sell in the millions? Carriers will put it in the hands of millioins for increased ARPU, it�s a music, GPS, video, camera, web, IM and email device at minimal cost. People will work around the quirks, as they do with every smartphone, no matter the cost.
unregistered: yes GP lock takes time, but I don;t see it faster or slower than comparable devices which likely have the same chipset in them!
Ewan wrote:Right then, let�s address some of the points from the commenters:gazza_d: Agreed re the wi-fi, you do need an internet connection to get the full benefit. IN terms of the cheaper plastic, it makes the phone incredibly light, and I liked the fact it felt disposable � I could throw it around for my time in America and never worried about it getting damaged. If it did, easy enough to get another.
hurlley: on the 3.2mp camera, we will always want more. i suspect this was built with keep the cost down as much as possible, leave space above for more models and strands. Hence 2mp. It�;s the camera you have with you, and it takes memories. It does its job.
Pete: you�ve got your answer on Mobipocket, I use the last 3rd edition version (N95) they made available.
unregistered: Why will it sell in the millions? Carriers will put it in the hands of millioins for increased ARPU, it�s a music, GPS, video, camera, web, IM and email device at minimal cost. People will work around the quirks, as they do with every smartphone, no matter the cost.
unregistered: yes GP lock takes time, but I don;t see it faster or slower than comparable devices which likely have the same chipset in them!
Strange. Ewan now appears to be defending the 5230 against his own comments.
If ANYBODY can help out with a mail for exchange issue. My wife just got a Nuron 5230 and we installed mail for exchange. It works great with her contacts and calendar and SENT mail, but after the initial sync it no longer downloads newly received e-mails on the server.