It's the first time I think i've ever waited in line for something that wasn't Star Wars related! Lame huh?!
Love the iPhone 4, e-mails, calendar, facebook all set up in minutes! Will take some time to get used to the typing, i do miss the keyboard of the n97 a little, but not much else!
N97 is currently being erased and shipped off to a phone recycler! My friend Bex bought a 4 too and we can stack ours on top of each other and they're the same width as the N97, it's crazy!
Hope you're not left handed Zyyb! :rofl:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8759590.stm
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2475309&tstart=0
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/24/iphone-4-in-hand-signal-issue-isolated-to-bottom-left-corner/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/some-iphone-4-models-see-signals-drop-to-0-when-held-left-handed/
Since, predominately, most people are right handed... this means they hold their phone in their left hand to input with their right hand... ooops!
7 suggestions for getting around the signal problem...
1. Hold the iPhone 4 in your right hand. That way your chances of dropping those bars are going to be slimmer. But the left lower corner of the iPhone will somewhat touch your face if you’re holding against your right ear so try holding the device with your right hand at your left year. It sounds complicated, especially when driving but it should work for a while.
2. Use the speaker instead. Sure the conversation becomes public but you won’t be touching those antennas and reviews say that the new microphones or the device are much better for speaker voice calls.
3. Engage in short conversations that way your call won’t be dropped immediately.
4. Use the device in landscape position when sending SMS/MMS messages or surfing the web with the lower left corner / upper left corner out of your fingers’ reach.
5. Buy a skin/case for the iPhone. That is the more serious solution which will temporarily address this annoying matter.
6. Use gloves when talking on the phone (wait a second, it’s summer out there! Plus, most of regular gloves are not touch-friendly)
7. Don’t buy the iPhone 4 yet. They’re out of it in most stores and by the time they bring more Apple might sort this out for you.
Zyyb wrote: My friend Bex bought a 4 too and we can stack ours on top of each other and they're the same width as the N97, it's crazy!
Would be nice to use it as a phone as well though!
I wonder how slim in comparison it is to the N97 when you stack 2 iPhone 4's, in their protective cases (to protect the glass screens from shattering and enable a signal), on top of one another?
Don't worry iPhone 4 owners if you can't get a signal on your handset... you're not alone!
Steve Jobs, CEO of Apple, couldn't get one either at the worldwide launch of the iPhone 4 in San Francisco earlier this month.
It seems from this video that, as he admits, 570 other (non iPhone 4's) phones there could get a signal... but the iPhone 4 couldn't... either via WiFi or 3G.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoqh27E6OuU
and he's not even using it left handed!!!
Zyyb wrote:Will take some time to get used to the typing, i do miss the keyboard of the n97 a little, but not much else!
I'd be interested to know how the typing is without a keyboard. One of the reasons I chose the N97 over the iPhone and others is that the N97 has a keyboard. I really like the fact that the N97's keys are spaced fairly far apart and it does not take up space on the screen. I also have a BlackBerry for work and I cannot stand typing on its keypad because the keys are so close together.
The signal problem is not isolated it would seem and is hardware and not software related... so no update fix for it then.
The good news is that Apple have a history of refunding iPhone users, so maybe you can look forward to your app store vouchers in the future... or even a free bumper case!
Gizmodo are getting more and more postings on this...
http://gizmodo.com/5571171/iphone-4-loses-reception-when-you-hold-it-by-the-antenna-band
Makes a cool iTouch though.
LOLZ 😉
Apple take their quality control very seriously. After receiving thousands of complaints from users, they've taken swift action in order to resolve the problem, allowing buyers to use their brand new iPhone 4's to their full capability.
Say hello to Apple's answer to the iPhone 4's antennae problem...
Below is a excerpt from Apple's latest press release...
Steve Jobs wrote:The new Apple Marigold, made exclusively for the iPhone 4, has a unique patanted design (Invented by Apple) that allows you to use your new iPhone 4 to it's full extent. It's made from a whole new resistive material that comes between your iPhone 4 and your hand to enhance the iPhone 4's cellular reception. As you can see from the images, it's completely wireless! It fits around your hand and your iPhone 4 fits neatly inside, thanks to it's innovative grip design. It is, by far, THE best tool to use with your new iPhone 4. Best of all, it's in GOLD! When you wear it, everyone will think you're bling!
😃
FFS! Even here on a N97 / Symbian-fora I have to read about retards being sucked into the apple &�#/#(-machine
I seriously have to get off the internet for a couple of months to avoid this,,,,
oh well, at least I have theinquirer.net
Slightly off topic I know...
I saw the TV advertisement for the Apple iPad earlier, which stated...
"You already know how to use it"...
So, why does it come with instructions? 😕
lol @ Apples response to the reception issues:
"You're holding it wrong"
oh really?
Oh Fleksnes...
Thank you... thank you... thank you!
I haven't laughed soooo much in ages.
When all else fails... blame the consumer.
Got to, sort of, play with one last night. I say "sort of" because there was no signal whatsoever on it (N97 almost full) and would not connect to the pubs WiFi.
In spite of no apps on it yet, it repeatedly froze too.
ironass wrote:In spite of no apps on it yet, it repeatedly froze too.
It's probably fair to say it froze a lot because it was having so much difficulty getting a signal.
zxon wrote:It's probably fair to say it froze a lot because it was having so much difficulty getting a signal.
Actually zxon, you might be right on that point, thinking about it.
Also, to be fair, as I have mentioned in other postings, none of the other iPhone models get a very good signal there, regardless of operator.
I do not understand why it would not connect to the pub's WiFi though as his 3Gs iPhone did and my N97 and laptop were connected as well as 2/3 other non iPhones.
As if things weren't bad enough for Apple and iPhone 4 customers it seems that older models of iPhone that have updated their handsets to the eagerly awaited new firmware release, iOS4, are experiencing problems.
It seems the new firmware is causing the iPhone's to slow down and fail to launch apps. More details here:-
http://tech.uk.msn.com/news/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=153903263
Wow, a lot of negativity in this thread! I meant I know it's a symbian forum, but i posted to say goodbye and so you guys could get a fair comparison.
I lolled at the holding it wrong post too, good old steve and his e-mails, but even though my bars drop a little it doesnt affect my call quality nor have i lost a call yet, if i find it's a problem in the future, i'll just get a case. The wi-fi is excellent, very quick and connects to my home and work instantly, N97 never could figure that out.
Ironass, the front screen is actually gorilla glass, it's like the toughest out there, unlike my N97 which has at least 3 prominent scratches on it. The resolution is superb and the IPS looks awesome at any angle. The e-mail and calendar implementation is flawless. Can't fault it at all.
To answer stuntmans question, the typing will take a little getting used to, i won't say i dont miss my big n97 keyboard, but you can flip the iphone on the side (4x faster then the n97) and use the slightly bigger version there if you need to get used to it, which i do. I agree on the blackberrys, they have them here at work and they're hideous.
With 3's deal, the iPhone, though expensive is more reasonably priced, they'll never compete with Nokia in terms of price, the N8 is actually some good hardware very reasonably priced. But symbian is atrocious, at least 2 years behind the iPhone OS.
Will def keep the 4 for now, see what happens when Windows release winmo7 or whatever they call it!
Zyyb wrote:Ironass, the front screen is actually gorilla glass, it's like the toughest out there, unlike my N97 which has at least 3 prominent scratches on it. The resolution is superb and the IPS looks awesome at any angle. The e-mail and calendar implementation is flawless. Can't fault it at all.
My comments are not aimed at you zyyb. Far from it.
Rather at the hype surrounding each release of the iPhone, particularly the first one when we were told by Steve Jobs, CEO of Apple, that it was, "5 years ahead of any other phone".
As for my Gorilla Glass comments, this was based on this endgadget report showing scratches already on the iPhone 4:-
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/yes-you-can-certainly-scratch-the-iphone-4/
plus this "drop test" video, showing the Gorilla Glass shattering:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFAw-mJaru8
I wish you the best of luck with the iPhone 4 and will miss you on the forum. :wavey:
I had a play with one yesterday - it's a lovely bit of kit and the screen is awesome.
I am pleased to say though that it didn't make me feel short changed with my Desire. Phew. :icon14:
Actually, the guy that got it at my work queued up for it, only to leave it on his car roof when he drove off! 😮 😃
Luckily it survived 😊
Zyyb wrote:Ironass, the front screen is actually gorilla glass, it's like the toughest out there, unlike my N97 which has at least 3 prominent scratches on it. The resolution is superb and the IPS looks awesome at any angle. The e-mail and calendar implementation is flawless. Can't fault it at all.
My N97 has a few scratches on it as well. Not too prominent unless I look at it from a certain angle. This is after 3 months of ownership.
I don't doubt that the resolution is great and the images on the iPhone 4 are crisper than on the N97. The specs sure are impressive. I'm just wondering if you had a chance to compare the iPhone 4 display to the N8, Nexus One or other phones with similar displays. I would like to know how the iPhone 4 display compares to other high end phones that came out around the same time.
Also, have you experienced the yellow streaks that have been reported by some iPhone users?
To answer stuntmans question, the typing will take a little getting used to, i won't say i dont miss my big n97 keyboard, but you can flip the iphone on the side (4x faster then the n97) and use the slightly bigger version there if you need to get used to it, which i do. I agree on the blackberrys, they have them here at work and they're hideous.
Thanks for the feedback on the keyboard.
With 3's deal, the iPhone, though expensive is more reasonably priced, they'll never compete with Nokia in terms of price, the N8 is actually some good hardware very reasonably priced. But symbian is atrocious, at least 2 years behind the iPhone OS.Will def keep the 4 for now, see what happens when Windows release winmo7 or whatever they call it!
Nokia is moving to MeeGo for high end phones in the future. Sounds like they are following WinMo in that sense. My understanding is that WinMo7 is going to be totally different than older versions. It's almost like going from Symbian to MeeGo.
One last thing. I was wondering if you considered any other device when you decided to upgrade from your N97. If so, what was it about the iPhone that made you go with it over other smartphones.
Hey Iron, I hadn't seen the one about it smashing, I watched the will it blend and it looks like a tough little phone to break down, goes pinging around all over the place!
Stuntman wrote:I don't doubt that the resolution is great and the images on the iPhone 4 are crisper than on the N97. The specs sure are impressive. I'm just wondering if you had a chance to compare the iPhone 4 display to the N8, Nexus One or other phones with similar displays. I would like to know how the iPhone 4 display compares to other high end phones that came out around the same time.
My brother has the Nexus One, it's a nice AMOLED, but for viewing angles the iPhone rocks, it's the same IPS screen that's on the iPad which means you can basically view it from any angle. It's pretty intense!
The width of the phone is just crazy too, i feel like i drop it each time because theres so little to put down and it's very flat.
A new note on charging, battery was at 52% and within 29 minutes it's up to 80% (using my mains powered iPad adapter. Yes, i'm sorry, i have an iPad too, i still hate apple, would love to see a USB or you know some .avis, but they're design and implementation stands far above others in my eyes)
Had a fairly long facetime chat, I have used 3g video calling before, but facetime, is way better. Clearer, louder, almost no image blur and higher res, but then it is wi-fi only, but that also means its free!
Stuntman wrote:Also, have you experienced the yellow streaks that have been reported by some iPhone users?
Nope, though i read on Engadget somewhere that the yellow dots are part of the bonding process and that they're only there because the factory is shipping them out too quick, but after a few days use with the screen on, they'll evaporate. the guy who said works for the actual glue company so i think it's fairly reliable!
On the antenna note, i tried it and really squeezed that bottom corner where the antennas met, my signal started to drop like you can see in the YouTube vids, but after it went down to 2 bars, it went back to 3 and stayed there while i made a minute long call which sounded fine, so not sure about that one, i'll see if it happens in the future, could be annoying.
Stuntman wrote:Nokia is moving to MeeGo for high end phones in the future. Sounds like they are following WinMo in that sense. My understanding is that WinMo7 is going to be totally different than older versions. It's almost like going from Symbian to MeeGo.
One last thing. I was wondering if you considered any other device when you decided to upgrade from your N97. If so, what was it about the iPhone that made you go with it over other smartphones.
WinMo7 just looks really different and i do miss widgets on my home screen (calendar) the most, but now i have the calendar on My Yahoo! page and it syncs automatically to the phone too, so i don't miss any events.
I was considering the HTC Evo (on android) the N8 and the iPhone 4. I ruled the N8 out when i saw the low processor speed, ram and Symbian on it, it would be the N97 waiting for updates again. Too much time i spent on that phone! The Evo I ruled out because i'm not even sure it's coming over here, it definitely wont be 3G.
And from my bro, who bought the nexus one a week after launch and has just ditched it for the iPhone 4 told me that Android just isn't as polished and although Apple has strict rules (far too draconian and i do hate them for it a bit) for it's apps, that's what makes them so good! so polished and easy to use. Everything just works, almost right away and you don't have to worry.
Apple is like Mussolinis (sp) Italy, it's harsh sometimes, but all the trains run on time!
I spent about 4 seconds taking a picture with the geotagging turned on, processed the pic in less then a second, went to "places" and there it was already on the map!
Downfalls of the iPhone 4? Cost. And don't forget about the cost of accessories, Apple want �25 for a dock, it doesn't even come with the USB cable, it's just a heavy piece of white plastic with a 20 pin connector. for TWENTY FIVE POUNDS! Chargers are like �20, who doesn't have 5 Nokia chargers lying around or buy one for 99p!
No simple micro USB. May take a little while for Longtime Nokia users to get used to it all, well it is for me!
Hope i helped a little!
This is a US based poll mind where they get 4G and you can only get an AT&T iPhone.
iPhone 4 or an EVO 4G?
iPhone 4 13372 (39.2%)
EVO 4G 12972 (38.1%)
Holding out for something better 5296 (15.5%)
I'm happy with what I have 2434 (7.1%)
Evo would def be my second choice for the meantime!
Zyyb wrote:This is a US based poll mind where they get 4G and you can only get an AT&T iPhone.iPhone 4 or an EVO 4G?
iPhone 4 13372 (39.2%)
EVO 4G 12972 (38.1%)
Holding out for something better 5296 (15.5%)
I'm happy with what I have 2434 (7.1%)Evo would def be my second choice for the meantime!
the EVO is pointless for anyone without a service 😊
I fall into both the 3rd and 4th camps ..
Thanks, for the info Zyyb. That was most insightful.
iPhone4 vs HTC Evo
Fleksnes wrote:iPhone4 vs HTC Evo
thank you .. I laughed so much I cried! .. 😃
Fleksnes wrote:iPhone4 vs HTC Evo
:biggrin: :wink: :rofl: 😊
lol... went on a bit... but still amusing.
"iPad... there's no right way and no wrong way to hold it"....
If only the iPhone 4 was that advanced!
(Sorry, I couldn't resist it) 😃
There are a few iPhone owners in my office and it's interesting to hear their daily defence of its (the 3GS mainly) shortcomings and more recently the 4's problems, not least of which is the antenna/reception issue. They were talking today about how many other manufacturers' phones suffer from the same reception problem, as 'proved' by Apple (http://www.apple.com/antenna/).
From what I can gather, Apple's proof seems to consist of blocking the signal to the tested phones' internal antennas.
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that the issue with the iPhone4 reception was caused by the two metal strips on the lower-left side being connected by the hand, not from obscuring the signal. If this is not the case, why would peoples� suggestions of sticky tape over the offending metal strips solve the problem?
Where is Apple�s evidence of other manufacturers� reception problems being caused by parts of the outer casing simply being touched?
If you physically block the signal on ANY phone of course the signal strength will drop! Dur!