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RealOne incompatible with RealVideo9?

23 replies · 3,965 views · Started 22 March 2003

Seremify 22 Mar 2003, 22:34

Anyone else found this?

I'm using Helix Producer (Free one) and it encodes by default in RealVideo9, yet the phone says "Unable to play clip" everytime.

Any ideas peoplez? Or maybe I should download an older encoder..

amigappc 22 Mar 2003, 23:19

hi,

the problem is, that the encoder isnt the same like the 3gp player. u must upload it with the pc-suite and convert it.

cya amigappc

willbrady 23 Mar 2003, 01:12

RealOne on mobile uses the real8 codec.
The NEW real media encoder (helix) uses the latest real9 codec.
Just shows how long this has been in production.. 😉

If you can find an old 'real producer' use that - else you need a licenced version of helix producer to enable real8 compatibility.

I have the specs at work for the ideal settings for encoding mobile content - I'll post them up here Monday.

You can use AVI or MPEG and let Nokia suit re-encode into 3gp, but it's pretty dirty encoding when compaired the results you can get with Helix Producer and RealOne.

Best 😊

Will

Seremify 23 Mar 2003, 02:16

[quote="willbrady"]RealOne on mobile uses the real8 codec.
The NEW real media encoder (helix) uses the latest real9 codec.
Just shows how long this has been in production.. 😉

If you can find an old 'real producer' use that - else you need a licenced version of helix producer to enable real8 compatibility.

I have the specs at work for the ideal settings for encoding mobile content - I'll post them up here Monday.

You can use AVI or MPEG and let Nokia suit re-encode into 3gp, but it's pretty dirty encoding when compaired the results you can get with Helix Producer and RealOne.

Best 😊

Will[/quote]

I wish.. I mean I wish i could find RealProducer8 or something. But so far no luck. Oh well. As for the AVI and 3GP, it compresses it but its still pretty large in comparison to Real's compression.

willbrady 23 Mar 2003, 09:32

Check this out - a link to realproducerGold.
Not sure how old 'gold' is?

I just did a search on google, there were quite a few links, some were outdated and dead but this one still works 😊

http://proforma.real.com/mario/tools/rpproducer.html

Have fun.

Best 😊

Will

Seremify 23 Mar 2003, 10:55

Thats odd.. it doesn't work.

Mobile phone says "Clip too large".. its only like 600kb though!

(I'm beginning to realise that RealOne is a very useless program)

willbrady 23 Mar 2003, 11:12

What was the bitrate you encoded at - has to be quite low else the phone can not decompress fast enough..

Perhaps 'gold' is too old?

Will.

willbrady 24 Mar 2003, 10:55

Hi.

I found you the demo version of real producer8

It's a 6mb file - what do you want me to do with it.
Does your e-mail accept large attachments?
If so PM me your e-mail addy.

Should work for you - all our content was made on 8 and it all plays fine on the 3650.

Best 😊

Will

Seremify 25 Mar 2003, 06:19

oh craps it doesn't. but thanks. umm.. don't they have them FILE STORAGE programs? like Yahoo Briefcase?

Guest 26 Mar 2003, 03:00

[quote="willbrady"]I have the specs at work for the ideal settings for encoding mobile content - I'll post them up here Monday.

You can use AVI or MPEG and let Nokia suit re-encode into 3gp, but it's pretty dirty encoding when compaired the results you can get with Helix Producer and RealOne.

Best 😊

Will[/quote]

I'm really interested in seeing the settings; my friend has Helix Producer installed in one of their workstations and am curious in seeing a properly encoded .rm file running on the 3650.

willbrady 26 Mar 2003, 09:12

Sorry - I forgot to post them - these are the settings for encoding videos which are to be stored and played back on the phone - if you want to stream the video over gprs then the bitrate has to be reduced to about 20kb Video 6kb Audio..

Suggested encoding parameters for 7650/3650 devices are as follows:

Local Video playback:

Framesize - 176x144
Max Bitrate - 80kb
Framerate - 7.5 or 10 fps
Video Codec - RV8
Audio Codec - 8kb Music recommended but G2 and Sipro audio will work as well

Local Audio Only playback
Bitrate - 20kb or lower
Codecs - RA8 preferred but G2 and Sipro codecs work as well

Best 😊

Will

Guest 27 Mar 2003, 08:00

[quote="willbrady"]Suggested encoding parameters for 7650/3650 devices are as follows:[/quote]

Thanks for posting the settings. 😃
Hmm...10 fps seems a bit low compared to the 15 fps that PC Suite for 3650 uses--won't the video become somewhat jerky?

willbrady 27 Mar 2003, 08:21

Yeah - thats what 'real' suggest, but I've put mine at 15 and it still seems fine, anything over 12 and the eye see's it as motion rather than still's.

Best

Will

gamezter 27 Mar 2003, 08:58

[quote="willbrady"]Yeah - thats what 'real' suggest, but I've put mine at 15 and it still seems fine, anything over 12 and the eye see's it as motion rather than still's.[/quote]

cool. I should try this one out. Btw, Real has an additional zip file available for Helix Producer Plus that contains jobs for Mobile content encoding--the specs you provided are spot on. You'll find the link to it on this page.

willbrady 27 Mar 2003, 10:43

Thanks for that 😊

Heres a clip that I just love - sure you've all seen it before, but I've encoded it for the phone in RealOne.

My Bluetooth is currently down so I've not watched it myself yet!
It's the Nokia advert with the cat & the fan.

Best 😊

Will

MaleBuffy 27 Mar 2003, 14:32

[quote="willbrady"]Sorry - I forgot to post them - these are the settings for encoding videos which are to be stored and played back on the phone - if you want to stream the video over gprs then the bitrate has to be reduced to about 20kb Video 6kb Audio..

Suggested encoding parameters for 7650/3650 devices are as follows:

Local Video playback:

Framesize - 176x144
Max Bitrate - 80kb
Framerate - 7.5 or 10 fps
Video Codec - RV8
Audio Codec - 8kb Music recommended but G2 and Sipro audio will work as well

Local Audio Only playback
Bitrate - 20kb or lower
Codecs - RA8 preferred but G2 and Sipro codecs work as well

Best 😊

Will[/quote]

What filesize do you get for a 1 min clip with these settings?

I once managed to squeez the "Reign of Fire" movie into 15 MB with some settings...but I dont remember the settings anymore 😞

willbrady 27 Mar 2003, 15:34

Well the Nokia ad that I posted is 178k and is 20 seconds long, so for a minute it would be about 534k

Obviously you can drop the bitrate for smaller filesize's, but then you lose the quality -

Best 😊

Will

gamezter 27 Mar 2003, 16:58

[quote="willbrady"]Yeah - thats what 'real' suggest, but I've put mine at 15 and it still seems fine, anything over 12 and the eye see's it as motion rather than still's.[/quote]

Yes! I was able to encode Avril Lavigne's "I'm With You" video using those settings but changed the framerate to 15 fps, and I'm quite pleased with the results. The original mpg file was 52 MB, the output .rm file was 2.3MB. 8)

nicobox 29 Mar 2003, 11:35

my setting...
-------------------------------------------------------
Stream: RealVideo Stream - Single Rate
File Name: Gang Starr - Skills .rm
Last Modified: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:36:40 GMT
File Size: 2,344,463 Bytes
Title:
Author:
Copyright:
Duration: 03:47.555
Buffer Time: 6.4 seconds
Max Bit Rate: 80.0 Kbps
Allow Download: on
Allow Recording: off
Perfect Play: enabled

Stream: 0 Audio Stream
MIME type: audio/x-pn-realaudio

Max Stream Bit Rate: 32.0 Kbps

Audio Codec: 32 kbps Music - High Response (RealAudio G2) 44100 Khz
Stream: 1 Video Stream
MIME type: video/x-pn-realvideo

Max Stream Bit Rate: 48.0 Kbps

Dimensions: 172x132

Encoded Frame Rate: 25.0 fps

Video Codec: 48.0 Kbps (RealVideo 8)
Player Compatibility: RealPlayer 8.0 or later
-------------------------------------------------------

i get good quality video with good sound. very rare frame freezes...
Hope it helps you !