OxoCube wrote:Nope. Not a chance. You may have a different subjective opinion but the general consensus is that the iPhone UI is way ahead, . I think the geeks go for the Android type interface, and normal humans receive the iPhone style much better.).
OxoCube is bang on the money!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/11/iphone_users_getting_more/
All right, easy, fellas.
We ARE just shooting the breeze about one Billion Dollar corporation's gadgets that they want to sell us vs. another Billion Dollar corporation and THEIR gadgets.
BTW, off topic, but earlier today, I managed to pair a Nokia E66 to an iPad over wifi as a hotspot, at an Apple Store= WIN!
I can see myself getting one to couch browse and read the occasional ebook. Just waiting for FaceTime to come to the next gen.
Irony_x_2 wrote:"Lesson of the day, Eye candy does not a good GUI make."Tell that to the 3 million + that bought the iPhone 4 in one month
So popularity = good UI?
On the same token, Avatar is the greatest film of all time, and Eastenders/Coronation Street are the best programs on british TV. Girls Aloud and JLS are some of the best bands in recent years, etc. etc.
@iFanboy:
256 MB is more than enough for Symbian. I have a Sony Ericsson Vivaz (runs the same Symbian S60 5th OS as the N97, but has 256 MB RAM instead of the N97's measly 128 MB), and I _never_ run out of RAM on the Vivaz, and I mean _never_.
When I have the browser open on a big fat page, music player running, Google Maps running and Nimbuzz messenger I still have around 94 MB free RAM left.
So yeah, 256 MB RAM is enough, and Symbian^3 (which runs on the N8) is even more memory efficient.
U think 475 Euros for the N8 is expensive? Then how come you gladly pay 735 Euros (iPhone 4 32 GB unlocked price) for a phone with inferior specs in most areas?
Enough with the insults in this thread. Any further insulting comments or personal attack will be removed along with anything that may have been useful in that post.
Anyone coming away disappointed with HTC Desire deserves to be tied to Symbian for the rest of their lives. (Referring to one of the comments above)
Just like Apple lives in its own reality distortion field, so does Nokia. ANdroid is better to use and more capable. End of story. Not an opinion, a FACT. It has a higher price tag though, and thats whats keeping Symbian afloat.
Tell that to the 27 million people that bought Symbian devices last quater. Oh?
Irony_x_2 wrote:"Lesson of the day, Eye candy does not a good GUI make."Tell that to the 3 million + that bought the iPhone 4 in one month
Hahaha! I like your humor. Stating something as a fact without any facts on the table, only referring your own personal belief. Nice going, you'd make an excellent politician ....in Greece.
talhamid wrote:Anyone coming away disappointed with HTC Desire deserves to be tied to Symbian for the rest of their lives. (Referring to one of the comments above)Just like Apple lives in its own reality distortion field, so does Nokia. ANdroid is better to use and more capable. End of story. Not an opinion, a FACT. It has a higher price tag though, and thats whats keeping Symbian afloat.
Unregistered wrote:"Symbian is a microkernel it is designed for this kind of efficiency, Android will simply never be as efficient as Symbian, it is JUST NOT POSSIBLE unless it is completely rewritten from scratch. And so, Android phones will also always be poorer value for money."Generally microkernels result in more IPC and privilege related context switches than monolithic kernels, and as a result they generally use more CPU time. But you know what? IT DOESN'T MATTER. The old monolithic versus micro argument is so much hot air, it has raged for decades and no clear winner has emerged.
Whatever failings Android may have the Linux kernel is not one of them, I would be surprised if even the Symbian Foundation used such an argument to knock Android.
The iPhone uses the hodge-podge of Mach/BSD and does do too badly, compared to that Linux is miraculously efficient and well designed. 😊
I don't agree, the performance hit is negligible when you have a well designed kernel, but you are talking about something completely different anyway, that is, desktops!
Phones are resource constrained, efficiency = cheaper phones. Nokia can implement a phone on a single chip! The microkernel allows greater power savings and efficiency in a standby state.
New hardware is better than old hardware but old code is better than new code, Symbian have been gone over a million times over the past twenty years, you can't beat it on these terms overnight. Android simply cannot compete on technical basis, not yet anyway.
The consumer may not give a rat's ass about this but these factors lead to cheaper phones with reduced hardware requirements and the consumer cares about value for money. With Symbian you get more for your money as this ZTE Racer clearly demonstrates.
Nokia have Symbian for the low range and Meego for the high range, with QT providing a common development environment. People criticize this but Google are doing the same thing! Android 3.0 will be for the high range and split from the current 2.2 which will then be optimized the low range, basically the same strategy with Davlik/Java uniting the two.
At the moment iPhone is the premium phone, Android owns the high end and Symbian/S40 own the mid-range and low end.
I predict Android will get better and move into the mid range but will have difficulty producing competitive phone in the low end for some time to come.
I think Symbian will dominate the mid range with the N8 and it's cousins from Nokia and the whatever comes from the Asian manufacturers. As hardware improves Symbian will just move into the low end and Android will become dominant in the midrange. But Meego is the wildcard here, who know what impact that will have?
talhamid wrote:Anyone coming away disappointed with HTC Desire deserves to be tied to Symbian for the rest of their lives. (Referring to one of the comments above)Just like Apple lives in its own reality distortion field, so does Nokia. ANdroid is better to use and more capable. End of story. Not an opinion, a FACT. It has a higher price tag though, and thats whats keeping Symbian afloat.
Don't make statements without backing them up.
What is better on Android, give us a breakdown, sequence of bullet points, etc. Otherwise you're just spouting hot air.
talhamid wrote:Just like Apple lives in its own reality distortion field, so does Nokia. ANdroid is better to use and more capable. End of story. Not an opinion, a FACT. It has a higher price tag though, and thats whats keeping Symbian afloat.
How can you say that "Nokia are living in their own reality distortion field"? Have Nokia ever bad-mouthed the opposition in the way Apple did? No. Do they rant about how much better Symbian is than iOS or Android? No, they don't. They simply make devices which people generally like to buy and use, as witnessed by their sales figures. Every OS has its pro's and con's (yes, even iOS4), none of them are as bad as many make out and none of them are as good as people would have you believe either.
Maybe you find Android better than Symbian; great, I'm glad for you. However, that does not mean that it is necessarily better, just that you prefer it. It all comes down to taste; some people prefer eye-candy (or should that be iCandy?), some prefer power, some prefer battery life etc.
Irony_x_2 wrote:"Lesson of the day, Eye candy does not a good GUI make."Tell that to the 3 million + that bought the iPhone 4 in one month
McDonalds sold millions of Big Mac meals today. This does not mean its healthy or good for its buyers, does it ? Rampant sales of a flawed iPhone 4 only proves true that old adage, fools and their money are soon parted........
OxoCube wrote:Nope. Not a chance. You may have a different subjective opinion but the general consensus is that the iPhone UI is way ahead, and it has nothing to do with eye candy. iPhone badge notifications may not be as verbose and contain as much information as Android ones, but they serve more than sufficient purpose. I think the geeks go for the Android type interface, and normal humans receive the iPhone style much better. Luckily for all of us, geeks are a minority. What is special about the back button compared to a home? Apple is way ahead, followed by Android, with Symbian just behind and about to surge past. Meego got a by to the final.iPhone is not my choice by the way, I am reflecting the consensus here. (I am increasingly moving away from any kind of smartphone and back to ordinary phone because this whole thing is becoming increasingly irritating, dull and missing the point).
Sorry I forgot that 'general consensus' is now whatever comes from the mouth of Steve iJobs. Flash is bad, get a bumper, hold different etc
@Tsepz_011 Anyone saying that 600mhz + 256RAM is low end is completely clueless.
As for VMs, Java programmers have been saying since the 90s that the JVM can in theory be faster than native code. In 2010 it's still faster in theory, while native code is still faster in practice.
I've seen many Android devs complaining that they have to do manual memory management because the Dalvik GC is too slow. They also demand that Google offer a better native SDK for games.
I think the price is deciding what "Low End" means at the moment. And the X10mini solds for 240€. That is a low budged price for an smartphone -> it's a "Low End" smartphone with 600Mhz. Which brings up the question: Why has the C6 for 250€ the same old 434 Mhz? Why does it not use the hardware from the E5 which is at 600 Mhz. How many of those hardware-iterations will Nokia produce?
Will we even get another generation of 600 Mhz Symbian^1? (Please not!)
Unregistered wrote:Tell that to the 27 million people that bought Symbian devices last quater. Oh?
To quote an earlier post, perhaps that just proves the old adage about fools and their money...
Of course, the question is whether people are buying Symbian phones, or buying Nokia phones that just happen to be running Symbian. Could Nokia have put S40 in them, or Android, or a featurephone OS and sold just as many? I think so.
KPOM wrote:To quote an earlier post, perhaps that just proves the old adage about fools and their money...Of course, the question is whether people are buying Symbian phones, or buying Nokia phones that just happen to be running Symbian. Could Nokia have put S40 in them, or Android, or a featurephone OS and sold just as many? I think so.
Well, luckily they don't put Android (there are enough Android handsets already, no need for Nokia to voluntarily destroy half of their potential income by imitation) or S40 on them (S40 is for ultra low end).
Nokia still has challenges, yes, but going Android would just be profoundly retarded for obvious long-term reasons.
Only gripe I have with Nokia is their under-specced RAM configurations in their mid-end (256 MB should always be minimum from now on). Luckily it looks like the next mid-end C-series phone, the C7, will be both Symbian^3 and have 256 MB RAM plus gfx-accelerator).