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switch p800 to flight mode - so you won't be disturbed by phone calls, but the alarm will ring in the morning

That's kool... thanks... but i still think that it is stupid for a phone of this calibre not to be able to switch itself on with the alarm funbction (as my 9210 did!!)

Maybe they could fix this in next update?!?!

Im likely to sound stupid by saying this, but if the phone is switched off (i.e. no power) how is it supposed to know when to sound the alarm?

I'd rather have the ability to completely switch the phone off than to switch it off and still use up a "trickle" of the battery. Also, you can just put it in silent mode cant you?

in the same argument you could say that you don't want the clock to carry on when its switched off as it's trickling the battery.. obviously that isn't the case but thats the same process that should enable the power-off alarm.

Very frustrating as it makes me leave the phone on overnight which means the battery is even less.

@ Durzel
I don't think you understand my problem... which is like andy's... I dont want to have the phone on all night or all the time(not necessarily because I dont want to recieve any calls, but either to conserve power, or to reduce [phone ]radiation exposure....)

Plus the phone is never truely not doing anything, (even when power is off) because then how can the time keep (excuse the lingo but..) ticking.... if u see what I mean...

Plus on most phones, inc ericsson ones, the phone will power up for alarms! - it just makes good sence to have this function included...

I remembering reading from somwhere that SE did try to get the alarm to switch on, but it was causing far too many problems for them, and they had good reason not to implement it.... can't remember why exactly.

[quote="nrs5"]@ Durzel
I don't think you understand my problem... which is like andy's... I dont want to have the phone on all night or all the time(not necessarily because I dont want to recieve any calls, but either to conserve power, or to reduce [phone ]radiation exposure....)[/quote]

Well, ok, you'll still loose power in flight mode (although it does use less power in flight mode, with the radio off), but when it's in flight mode, there is NO radition!!! The GSM radio radiates only when it's on, the PDA itself doesn't radiate at all.

So perhaps this is still an option...(although I agree it's not the best one. I myself use my old t68i as an alarm now)

Not only for the alarm, but also for the calendar events. Or Tasks. If you turn on your phone after the event has passed, it won't sound off. You would have forgotten that you have to do something.

normally when I go to sleep, I switch off P800 and charge the battery.

To wake me up, I have a simple alarm clock.

let's not use a bulldozer to crack a nut.

i have my aunts "veeery old" siemens sl10, which is not working, but it has the same thing, alarms!

Agree that it is a serious problem not to be able to use Alarm and Diary Functionalities on the phone (or PDA if you prefer). That lowers the functionalities of the appliance. Please note that almost all phones and PDAs are able of that task (ie t68, Clie, Palm etc). Do you think the problem can be solved by using any of the available software applications?

I asked a friend who works for Symbian (you here Neil?) to write an app to power up the phone at a preset time...

I got the sort of answer you'd expect, but hopefully somebody there will take it on.

personally I don't see the issue. In sleep mode it will use almost as much battery as off mode (as someone said there are processes running). So put it to sleep and stop worrying!

Hmm... I wonder how 'off' the phone is when it's 'off'... If you see what I mean..

I guess the reason all the old phones can do it is because they use proprietory single-tasking operating systems, and it's quite easy to simply give the system two states - powered up and doing whatever you're currently doing, or 'off' and simply running as a clock that checks against a list of events every second. That way, it consumes minimal power, as it's only really 'working' once every second.

But with a multi-tasking threaded OS, for the device to support alarms when 'off', it really means the only thing you're switching off is the screen.
Take my iPaq for example - even when it's off, the battery drops noticeably (say 10% a day with no use).

It's much harder to set up a phone running Symbian, then, to respond to alarms when it's off. Either you trade off a massive loss of battery life when the phone is 'off' (because actually, it'd be on, with the full OS running, and any errant tasks still consuming vast processor resources), or virtually zero battery loss because the system is completely suspended (all tasks are sleeping, the processor is dead, and any register states are stored in memory, so the only battery usage is keeping the memory alive by refreshing it).

Do the Nokia series 60 phones support alarms when off? If they do I'd be interested to see what the battery drain is like when they are 'off'.

Either, IMHO, Nokia decided to leave the whole system up and running when the phone is off (and just kill the screen), or they have implemented an entirely independant alarm system into the phone - which is possible, simply a PIC with a list of events to check against on a time basis..

I could be way off with all of this, of course, but that's my thoughts, hopefully they'll make sense to someone! 😃 😊

Aaron

😮

Well, my best explanation is that it's a 'mini pc' and needs to be on to do any work....

I just leave it on at night and still get about 5 days out of it. But I do close any running tasks with file manager before I go to bed - even during the day!

I get in trouble if I go to bed during the day 😃

Chris,

You know what I meant.... 8)

😃 When the phone is off, no alarm is something SE should positively look into for future improvement and I do hope there will be someone who can write sort of program to fix this problem. I remebered almost 10 years ago when I had Nokia 5110, that was exactly the problem I had, no alarms when off, that means we backtracked 10 years. Certainly P800 is wonderful machine and I love it but except no alarms when off. Nokia 9210i has this function but without much noticable battery drain. That is the new tech.

Why do you people continue to whine about this?
What the hell is so hard about turning the phone into Flight Mode?

It works practically the same way as turning the phone off. No network signal=No significant battery loss. As long as you make sure to have power save ON and to close any running apps, you won't be losing any more battery power then with the phone OFF.

Flight mode is a great feature IMO, and it's much quicker to simply switch in and out of flight mode than powering the unit OFF/ON.

If you don't believe me, then try it yourselves. 😃

[quote="Raven"]What the hell is so hard about turning the phone into Flight Mode?

It works practically the same way as turning the phone off. No network signal=No significant battery loss. As long as you make sure to have power save ON and to close any running apps, you won't be losing any more battery power then with the phone OFF.

Flight mode is a great feature IMO, and it's much quicker to simply switch in and out of flight mode than powering the unit OFF/ON.
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I guess that's why the batteries of an average PDA last about 10 hours, while the batteries of an average phone last about 300 hours... 😃 😃 😃

[quote="Raven"]Why do you people continue to whine about this?[/quote]

Calm Raven, calm.. Down boy... 😉 😃

One thing is - in response to the people who keep asking for an application to fix this;

If said application is even possible to write, then all it will do is.. Guess what?

Leave the phone switched on!

That's the whole issue here. When a nokia is off, it isn't off - it's effectively in......... flight mode. When the P800 is off, it's off.

So if we write an app to make alarms go off when the phone is 'off', it'll no longer be 'off', it'll be in flight mode.

So, as Raven says - you put it in flight mode. There's your app to make alarms go off when the phone is off!

And on the battery front - if the P800 sucks so much juice because it's a PDA, how come mine lasts about 4 days of average use? .... Thats on 24/7, btw..

Given that the actual time-keeping ability of the P800 is as about as reliable as a �5 Rolex bought in a pub, I suspect that the clock is processor maintained...

In the "good ol' days", we had dedicated CTC [Counter/Timer Chip] which would raise an interrupt on a timed event. Generally this came in on NMI [Non Maskable] which would lift a processor out of sleep mode.
In English, that would translate to being able to put a device into a suspended state and wake up on demand.

If the P800 doesn't have this, or can't get it to work, then using Flight Mode as was suggested above, is about the best we can do -- I've found that re-booting the phone (to kill all tasks) back into Flight mode will put the battery in a low power consumption mode.

[quote="Durzel"]Im likely to sound stupid by saying this, but if the phone is switched off (i.e. no power) how is it supposed to know when to sound the alarm?

I'd rather have the ability to completely switch the phone off than to switch it off and still use up a "trickle" of the battery. Also, you can just put it in silent mode cant you?[/quote]ask nokia how THEY managed to put the alarm in to work when it is swithed off,i think that is pretty piss poor coming from a great phone like the P800

John, just go back to your Nokia forums, you don't belong here....

That wasnt nice! :-?

It wasn't nice, but if John would have bothered to actually read this thread he wouldn't get flamed for his xxxx comment.

Once again, to John or whom it may concern, when you turn the P800 into FLIGHT MODE the phone part will infact be turned OFF, only the PDA part will be on, which will allow the different alarms to go off without draining the battery any more then a turned off Nokia(or whatever).

Amazing that 4 years later, the P1i still can't sound an alarm when switched off. That's not a lot of development in 4 years!

..and also it seems that the alarm won't ring when the phone is on silent. Without starting a whole new debate, that's just silly, at least my K810i had the option of whether to sound alarrms or not when the phone was on silent!