Ogg Vorbis Player Beta for P800

Hi Wollmilchsau,

I have installed your OggPlay program and have tried an Ogg file.

It played the file fine. I will use your program for a while and see what quirkes I can find for you.

I hope you don't mind, but I've also put a post on www.my-symbian.com about your program.

Matt.

Hi,

I downloaded it and installed then went to look for files but did not find any Media files Audio, I did find something under :-

http://www.vorbis.com/music.psp

but these files are all 4-6 MB why would I want to use a player with files this size, I thought they were half the size of MP3.

please give a link to some small ogg files so that we can appreciate the benefit of using this file type.

thanks and regards

@Wollmilchsau

Here is a link to the thread on www.my-symbian.com

http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=45604#45604

@gazcart

Or do what I did and make your own Ogg files with the free tools available from the www.vorbis.com site.

Regards,

Matt.

http://www.symbianopensource.com - if you plan to publish it as opensource.

Keep it up 😃

This looks really good. Will instal tomorrow and give you some feedback. I'll post on the front page about it tomorrow too. Just doing a very quick ctach up before cathing up on sleep. Have had 6 hours in the last 2 nights thanks to pub meet and exposium.

Rafe

wow i never used ogg untill now.... im amazed... im doing 64kbps oggs for my 16mb 😞 duo... and i find it to be almost as good as 112kbps mp3's.... thanks for bringing this great app to our p800's and best of luck in getting the next features ready

[quote="Rafe"]This looks really good. Will instal tomorrow and give you some feedback. I'll post on the front page about it tomorrow too. Just doing a very quick ctach up before cathing up on sleep. Have had 6 hours in the last 2 nights thanks to pub meet and exposium.

Rafe[/quote]

We're eagerly awaiting a comprehensive Exposium review. :robot:

Just downloaded Audio Conversion Wizard.. Is this good? 😊 Man, Changing my entire 80gig collection in ogg vorbis.. whew.. I think what Ill do is change only the songs that I will listen too and put them into temporary folder and just go through this process everytime.

Great application by the way!!

very cool!

Looks like competition on the Ogg vorbis front, YEY!

[quote="Epedemic"]wow i never used ogg untill now.... im amazed... im doing 64kbps oggs for my 16mb 😞 duo... and i find it to be almost as good as 112kbps mp3's.... thanks for bringing this great app to our p800's and best of luck in getting the next features ready[/quote]

Which converter are you using? I tried using audio conversion wizard, but I cant seem to get good quality. When I made it down to "2".. @ "5" the file size was a lot bigger than my 92 kbps mp3s 😞

im using oggdropxpd from www.vorbis.com ... quality -1 (45kbps) (due to the fact i only have 16mb msd so far... will use 64kbps later on)

I cannot copy ogg files to audio directory. Do I need the new OC suite?

The P800/Suite doesn't recognise Ogg files as being audio files.

The way I got my Ogg files in the right place was to copy them to "documents\unfiled", then use filemanager to move them to "audio\unfiled".

You can put the Ogg files in any directory below "audio" on c or d, according to Wollmilchsau's site.

Matt.

[quote="Epedemic"]im using oggdropxpd from www.vorbis.com ... quality -1 (45kbps) (due to the fact i only have 16mb msd so far... will use 64kbps later on)[/quote]

It doesnt seem to accept MP3's 😞 Only wav..

[quote="phattmatt"]The P800/Suite doesn't recognise Ogg files as being audio files.

The way I got my Ogg files in the right place was to copy them to "documents\unfiled", then use filemanager to move them to "audio\unfiled".

You can put the Ogg files in any directory below "audio" on c or d, according to Wollmilchsau's site.

Matt.[/quote]
I just copy the files I want (in explorer) - then I paste 'em in the audio dir using PC File manager (from epocware.com). http://se-p800-software.epocware.com/PC_File_Manager.html

Wollmilchsau /Wilden
Bloody brilliant! Finally a player for a format that that can shave off a couple of KB with out sounding like a tincan underwater.

First some points about ogg:
Ogg is the container and Voribis the format.. but as everyone calls vorbis, ogg. I�ll just stick to it.
Grab oggdrop for simple drag and drop endcoding http://www.vorbis.com/download.psp
There are a lot of things that can be said about sound quality, but on a phone we have to compromise somewhat.. the 2 quality setting is fine for our purpose. Its �about� the same as 92Kb/s or about a 128 Kbs mp3. Twice the compression of mp3 music simply doesn�t sound good.. but about 30% smaller at the same quality is more realistic. On speech (audiobooks) ogg can do some amazing stuff in mono tho, pretty close to half the size of mp3.

The Player:
No stability problems encountered during testing and no errors on decoding the stream.
Possible improvements could be:
Player only �lock� mode :
Controlling the player with the scroll wheel, up down volume, back/forth prev/next track in skip forward. If possible even with the fillip closed and keylock on (ie just like a normal walkman)
Other, some obvious stuff like:
[list]*Playing mono at the right speed, smurfs are cute.. but pretty annoying after a while 😉
*The faster the better as the cpu then eats less battery and we can encode at higher bitrates.
* I havnt got any calls yet.. but end / start after ending a call would be nice (if its not here).
*A resume at last position.. great for audio books with 40+min of playtime in one big file.[/list:u]

[quote="dezoe"][quote="phattmatt"]The P800/Suite doesn't recognise Ogg files as being audio files.

The way I got my Ogg files in the right place was to copy them to "documents\unfiled", then use filemanager to move them to "audio\unfiled".

You can put the Ogg files in any directory below "audio" on c or d, according to Wollmilchsau's site.

Matt.[/quote]
I just copy the files I want (in explorer) - then I paste 'em in the audio dir using PC File manager (from epocware.com). http://se-p800-software.epocware.com/PC_File_Manager.html[/quote]

I used a card reader to copy the songs. I cant seem to convert MP3's to Ogg using Oggdrop.. Is this for wav to Ogg only?

[quote="MuzikfreakahI used a card reader to copy the songs. I cant seem to convert MP3's to Ogg using Oggdrop.. Is this for wav to Ogg only?[/quote]

I am using dMC from http://www.dbpoweramp.com/. You can set the compression rate and still retain the tags. You may want to try this, it's free BTW. 😃

Thanks 😊 will try it out 😊

[quote="Muzikfreakah"]Thanks 😊 will try it out 😊[/quote]

when you have installed the software, try to right-click an audio file and you will see in the pop-up task window, additional task allowing you to convert the audio file to different format, without actually opening the dMC software. Just to remember to install the various plug-ins so that the software can recognize the format you want. Most plug-ins are also freeware. :angel:

Well, this piece of software is a blessing...The playback quality is perfect even at lowest quality encoding...

And file sizes are good enough for 16Mb'ers...(most songs end up being in 1-1.5 mb range)

Goodbye MP3...

Thanks a lot....

If you can avoid it, dont EVER convert mp3->ogg as both mp3 and ogg/vorbis use destructive compression.
You will end up with a sound stream that first has all the compression artifacts of mp3 AND the added ogg artifacts. If you let ogg work with a original CD/wave stream things will sound a lot better as the software:
A)has more data to work with
B) has the correct data
Using a CD you can even go as low as the 0 setting on oggdrop (64kbs)sand still have a decent stream for a p800

[quote="spf"]If you can avoid it, dont EVER convert mp3->ogg as both mp3 and ogg/vorbis use destructive compression.
You will end up with a sound stream that first has all the compression artifacts of mp3 AND the added ogg artifacts. If you let ogg work with a original CD/wave stream things will sound a lot better as the software:
A)has more data to work with
B) has the correct data
Using a CD you can even go as low as the 0 setting on oggdrop (64kbs)sand still have a decent stream for a p800[/quote]

I agree with SPF. Unfortunately, a lot of people have already amassed :evil: tons of mp3s (like me). IMHO, conversion is still bearable.

enterprise,
dMC does rock for conversion 😊 thanks for the pointer

[quote="spf"]enterprise,
dMC does rock for conversion 😊 thanks for the pointer[/quote]

Glad to be of help.

I like the free Ogg player so much.
Serveal point to note: (as a beta tester)

1. It won't play file with chinese title.
2. Does not support Jot dial to adjust volume.
3. It seems take a lot of processor power.
Because it will play when in background, but every action will cause
music suddently stop and back again for a while.

😃 Thanks for the free player.

just downloaded and tested version 0.3 beta of OggPlay! and i have to say that its coming along quite nicely.. if the developer is here: is it possible to give OggPlay! a higher priority so that you can switch throu apps and write/send sms'es and such without the playback skipping/pauseing all the time?

otherwise, superp program that is improving rapidly! thanks for the effort!

Thanks, another great version 😊
Volume control at last!!
Wilden, great work. Any chance you will port the rest of the container for video streams as well?

From the page:
http://www.geocities.com/p800tools/
0.3:

* Bugfix: The player does no longer reject files with special characters in their filenames (��� etc.)
* The jog dial can be used to set the volume during playback. If no song is playing the jog dial can be used to select the next song as before. That means all important functions can now be accessed by the jog dial.
* The time played and the total time of a song is displayed in the upper right corner.
* The playlist can be shuffled (see menu item "Shuffle playlist"😉
* The title, album and artist information is displayed, if availabe

Doh!
I thought I had a problem with v0.3 and my P800 'til I tried the volume control! It was set to the lowest volume by default!

Z.

Ps I found a great util for converting from MP3 et al to Ogg. It's called 'one-click Audio Converter' by Streamware Development. You just click on one file (or a batch) and select convert to Ogg.