3650 v SX1

Well for what its worth, he was right. The 7650 has NO Java API for the Camera. It only has C++ APIs. Java has no access to most of the phones features, like Camera, Filesystem etc.

SX1 btw runs on Series 60 1.2.2 Note the second .2 which is developed especially or the needs of the Siemens Sx1 phone, whereas the 7650 has Series 60 1.0.

Edit: To correct that, I am talking about the 7650 and you about the 3650. yes the 3650 has these APIs and yest Siemens thinks that the SX1 is the first. But this doesnt make the 3650 better than the SX1. The SX1 is superior in any respect to the 3650.

And here is the proof!

[quote="MaleBuffy"]The SX1 is superior in any respect to the 3650.[/quote]

Why is it so superior? I havent looked that much at the SX1 yet, can you give me some differences that make the SX1 better?
Thanx.

first of all i am a proud owner of a 3650 and the first time i saw it i fell in love but when i saw the siemens i almost threw up cause it stinks
secondly i used to have the siemens me45 it said that it was water proof so to show off i put it in a glass of water and drank it after that the phone didnt work
thirdly u cant change the cover on the siemens
fourthly i will never buy anything other than nokia cause i learned my lesson
thank u

cooler43.. LOL, we did the exact same thing with a friend's Siemens 'waterproof', we put it in a glass of water, then we called it, it created quite a stir with the vibration.

But of course, afterwards it was broken..

[quote="RoYaL21"]
Why is it so superior? I havent looked that much at the SX1 yet, can you give me some differences that make the SX1 better?
Thanx.[/quote]

Okay, here are some things that are 'better' in the SX1:

* 65000 colours
* MP3 Player (so they have to use stereo sound obviously?)
* FM Radio
* 24 Mb Internal memory (vs the 4 mb in 3650?)
* MMC support of course. (which 3650 has too)

So, basically, it comes down to .. more colours, more sound, more memory.

Url for the not-so-lazy people:
http://www.club-siemens.com/mobiles/sx1.shtml

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Guest ('moamoa'😉: I banned you because you called me and other users 'Stupid' because we had other opinions than you (and I warned you several times) and other users were complaining about your behaviour.

I'd like to add this to your list ApaKaka:

GPRS class 10 (Nokia still use class 6)
Bigger display (well, at least 2112 pixels more...)
40 chord polytones
Natural Sound Speaker (whatever that means)

😃

* 65000 colours
* MP3 Player (so they have to use stereo sound obviously?)
* FM Radio
* 24 Mb Internal memory (vs the 4 mb in 3650?)
* MMC support of course. (which 3650 has too)

Yes, but 3650 has been on sale since January(Hong Kong).
It's a bit unfair to compare a product that is released 6
months later (and at higher cost) than the 3650.

Here's a question, which keymat is more useable, the 3650
or the SX1 ? I think it's a very close call !!

regards.

hi,

i have heard about the sx1 before nokia starts his last nokiagame. and why siemens need more than 7-9 month to release it after the first inofficial test release ?!

make a call with the sx1. i will see how fast u can place a call with ONE hand.

oh u have told us u have 2112 pix more than we have with our 3650. please tell me, why siemens need so much more to display their menu?!
it looks 4 me that u need a lot more space to show ur status and so on.

and i cant belive that u have the full 24 mb of internal space 4 ur self. do u ask how much the symbianOS takes a part of the space ?! or the installed software ?! no ?! oh so do it and we will see.

cya amigappc

the siemens is not bad but as guest again said
u cant compare the 3650 with the siemens because of 6 monthe time betwwen them

First of all cool down, you lot. The fact that the 3650 is actually 2-3 months old and it will be more when the SX1 comes out doesnt make it better than the SX1. When the SX1 will come out it will be bteer. Full stop.

The larger display is due to the standart Siemens status information about battery and stuff. This might be good for some...but since you cannot address this area....say bye bye to real fullscreen video or whatever.

About memory. There will be many apps preinstalled BUT you will be able to remove most of them. Siemens doesnt like Snake or MIxpIx on the phone.....so you will be able to remove unwanted software.

About the waterproof Siemens. RTFM. It is waterproof but NOT under pressure. Do you know how much pressure water imposses on the phone when you put it in a narrow glass? It is waterproof....not dive proof 😃

I think the available internal memory will be around 7 or 8 MB.

amigappc: most people store numbers in the adressbook, so making a call with one hand should be quite quick 😃
SX1 is actually quite good for typing, probably faster than a standard keyboard if you use both hands. I've tried it a couple of times and had no problems typing SMS with just one hand 😃

[quote="molna"]Guest ('moamoa'😉: I banned you because you called me and other users 'Stupid' [/quote]
Anyone who repeatly refuses to admin they are wrong, when they clearly are, is stupid. As you can see from MaleBuffy, you/siemens are wrong, so live with it! 😊
[quote="MaleBuffy"]yes the 3650 has these APIs and yest Siemens thinks that the SX1 is the first.[/quote]

Anyway, the SX1 will be a better phone than the 3650 when it arrives. Six months it a long time in this market. I doubt very much however, that the SX1 will be the best S60 phone for very long at all, and will not keep ahead of the game as long as the 3650 has.

There are quite a few S60 phones with MIDP 2.0 coming this summer, some may be based on 7.0s too, which the SX1 isn't. and since the SX1 will ship with MIDP 1.0, I don't think it will be top phone for long. I think symbain said it was about 10 devices ready for release soon!

Altough, it will be excellent to get at the Bluetooth with Java in the SX1 (the first) and this will be great for multi-player java games! I'm not sure if the OBEX part of BT will be there though 😞

The fact that the 3650 is actually 2-3 months old and it will be more when the SX1 comes out doesnt make it better than the SX1

First 3650 sales in Hong Kong actually started end of Dec 2002.
3650 will therefore be easily at least ~6 month old by the time the SX1 is released.. the reason I make this point is that 6 months is a long time in terms of smartphone development. Who can say for certain that the 3650 will be the competition for the SX1 when it is finally released ?

When the SX1 will come out it will be bteer

and so it should be as it's coming out later and will most likely cost more !!

regards.

Here are some screenshot of a Java camera application on a 3650.

*Thanks to Jordan for providing the Screenshots

3650 do available here in hongkong since december, but they are inferior 3650s. they lack of the bluetooth voice profile support, which international version of 3650 (start delivery recently) does support BT voice

i afraid nokia have not finished the BT voice profile driver when 3650 start delivery in hongkong, so they use the one from 7650 simply.

it is not known that whether nokia will upgrade local 3650 to have the latest BT driver

trust molna, the guest (moamoa) is not welcomed guy in club-siemens.com

This is not club-siemens.com though! I am not sure about the BT audio you are talking about. Please note however, that we are a site about Symbian and not Nokia. Molna was wrong about the Java camera API because Oz from Siemens was wrong and we pointed that out. Its not a big deal though. Molna can update the news item in club-siemens.com to reflect the truth if he wants.

As for the guest, I will care if he starts making trouble!

[quote="MaleBuffy"]
Molna was wrong about the Java camera API because Oz from Siemens was wrong and we pointed that out.
[/quote]
I have taken my "original page" down. Point made. I hope Molna will learn to be a little less self-righteous and arrogant about that he "thinks" he knows. Anyway, enough said... the End!

As for the guest, I will care if he starts making trouble!

Well, who the f**k cares about if the SX1 has Java camera support and 'not' the 3650, that was a simple misunderstanding on Siemens part, and their fanbase picks up on this since they are supposed to be a reliable source. who cares, everyone makes mistakes.

The fact of the matter is though, that the SX1 has a lot of stuff the 3650 is missing, but it could turn out to be inferior in many other ways, we'll just have to wait and see when it shows up on the shelves.

I for one, find the key settings on the side of the phone to be somewhat... odd, while the round keypad of the 3650 is actually not that hard to learn, I find having the keys placed like on the SX1 will impede writing seriously.

We thought that there was a mistake and we pointed that out. End of Story. As for the keypad.....only time will tell! People said that about the keypad on the 3650 and its not that hard afterall.....maybe its the same with the SX1?!??!

SX1 ups:

SX1 has 24 MB internal memory, 3650 doesn't.
SX1 has 65.000 colors, 3650 only 4096.
SX1 has 176x220 pixels screen, 3650 only 176x208 pixels screen.
SX1 has FM radio, 3650 doesn't.
SX1 is smaller (109 x 56 x 19 mm, 110 cc), 3650 is bigger (130 x 57 x 26 mm, 139 cc)
SX1 has USB?, 3650 doesn't

SX1 downs:

SX1 has Charging time of 3 hours, 3650 only 1.5 hours.
SX1 has no covers, 3650 does.
SX1 has side keys which can't be used with one hand operation, 3650 does.
SX1 is +/- $150 more than 3650

Overall, the Siemens SX1 is obviously better than the 3650. So if you can wait a couple of months, i'd go for the SX1! (And i hate to have said this cuz i own a 3650 myself but i can't lie to myself, the SX1 is superior, when it's on the market that is 😉 )

whats the diference in gprs classes ie class 6 or class 10?

whats the diference in gprs classes ie class 6 or class 10?

the answer can be found here :

http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/gprs/class.shtml

A class 10 mobile can use up to 4 GSM timeslots to download data, a class 6 mobile can use up to 3 slots. Therefore a class 10 mobile has a higher max download rate(given enough network capacity !).

Sending data FROM the mobile is the same in class 6 and class 10 (2 GSM timeslots).

regards.

The webmaster of club-siemens seems to be obsessed with JAVA though..

I've noticed comments from the webmaster saying that the P800 is cr@p because it won't allow JAVA applications to run in full screen.

Which is, 1)Not P800's fault, but the standards used by the developers(Series 60 UI), 2)The P800 has Personal JAVA support which does infact allow programs to work in full screen, a good example of this is the excellent 12Planet IM MSN app.

The SX1 does seem like a great device though, but it's certainly no match for the P800. 😉

Of course....the SX1 will have tons of software....the P800 doesnt. 😃

[quote="Anonymous"]SX1 ups:

SX1 has 176x220 pixels screen, 3650 only 176x208 pixels screen.
SX1 has FM radio, 3650 doesn't.
SX1 is smaller (109 x 56 x 19 mm, 110 cc), 3650 is bigger (130 x 57 x 26 mm, 139 cc)
SX1 has USB?, 3650 doesn't

SX1 downs:

SX1 has Charging time of 3 hours, 3650 only 1.5 hours.
SX1 has no covers, 3650 does.
SX1 has side keys which can't be used with one hand operation, 3650 does.
SX1 is +/- $150 more than 3650

Overall, the Siemens SX1 is obviously better than the 3650. So if you can wait a couple of months, i'd go for the SX1! (And i hate to have said this cuz i own a 3650 myself but i can't lie to myself, the SX1 is superior, when it's on the market that is 😉 )[/quote]

The 24Mb of internall memory is not confirmed yet,like MaleBuffy said,those extra pixels are useless,USB? The keyboard,it depends on the finger size,the price is not confirmed yet.
Couple of months,i dont think so,maybe christmass.

PS: i dont own a 3650 😊

Whether the SX1 will be a match for the p800 or not will mostly depend on the hardware specs of the SX1,if it can beat p800's then great.

I dont think that the third party software lack for the UIQ is that big anymore.Great apps are developld daily so i dont think that this will be a deciding factor.

Define great apps? 😃

I dont think that the UIQ platform will ever reach the S60 platform...since the number of devices for each platform are 3 to 1 for now.....with plans to go to 5 to 1. If you get what I mean! 😃

MaleBuffy,

Define great apps?

How about this for starters:

Active Desk.

And if you travel alot WorldMate is very useful(and it looks really cool too).

A freeware File Manager is a must.

EDoom and a freeware Screen Capture app.

If you use MSN, 12Planet IM is a good app, although a little pricy..

MotoRacer 3D is another cool game.

jZip is a very useful tool for downloading and unzipping files on your P800. Also freeware.

And of course the exellent Opera browser.

Full Screen Pictures is most useful for browsing through your image files, if you don't have the latest firmware that is, in which case viewing pictures in full screen will be built-in.

With Handy Dates you can keep track of all those birthdays, anniversaries, holidays etc.

And with Infrared Remote Control you can control your TV, VCR, AMP, DVD player etc. all in one place. It's still in Beta though.

And how about the brand new Tracker from SymbianWare?

And if you take a good look at the different sections at My-Symbian you'll see that the number of P800 apps released almost every day far exceeds the number of apps being released for the Series 60. There's your proof just how popular UIQ is for developers.

And also, two other devices are planned to be released with UIQ.