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I think you made a mistake buying this phone too. Why would anybody want to buy a 7650 is beyond me. Especially when the P800 is just around the corner...

so far im not impressed with 7650 as i cant do anything with it all i do is text make calls take then delete pics i have 3,567 memory still on it i cant email send mms pics download programs even bluetooth does not work so ive paid �500 for a basic phone which is all i can use it for not happy and no one wants to help me not even nokia dont get this phone

[quote="Anonymous"]so far im not impressed with 7650 as i cant do anything with it all i do is text make calls take then delete pics i have 3,567 memory still on it i cant email send mms pics download programs even bluetooth does not work so ive paid �500 for a basic phone which is all i can use it for not happy and no one wants to help me not even nokia dont get this phone[/quote]

No one can help you if you do not give any details. E.g. Which operator? Which bluetooth on PC? Which e-mail provider? What kind of problems
excatly (i.e. error notes, steps you tried to do etc.)?

I haven't had any big problems with my 7650 - Blutetooth (DUN, PC sync), GPRS, E-mail, MMS work just fine. Also I haven't had any memory issues either. If I have phone full of pictures it is time to move them from the phone, the phone is obviously not meant to be used as a photo album, so I either use the Image Upload to Club Nokia and/or beam/Bluetooth the pics of my phone.

[quote="enigma"]I think you made a mistake buying this phone too. Why would anybody want to buy a 7650 is beyond me. Especially when the P800 is just around the corner...[/quote]

Maybe because the 7650 is a great phone? Really it is! There is not a single other phone on the market with these kind of features. Also the 7650 is really easy to use - the UI is great (IMHO).

The P800 is not here yet and at least I wouldn't compare it to the 7650. It is meant for completely different user segment, i.e. PDA users. I personally hate touch screens and that it requires two handed usage... + the P800 is also obviously meant for right handed people - why on earth is the jog dial placed like that? 😊. Of course these are just my opinions based on facts on some small web pages with P800 spec/pictures and they might change when I get to play with the phone.

I'll add my 2 pence

I got my phone on tuesday and what can i say, very impressed indeed. Everything works fine (well, i haven't had a chance to try BT or MMS yet). THe only problem that i had was getting my WAP to work, but with a bit of help from forum members that was solved quickly ( i didn't enter the IP Gateway or Homepage, d'oh). The user interface is almost perfect IMHO. Although while getting used to the slightly different lay of the keys (i moved from a 6210) i keep on almost deleting things by pressing the cancel button button. But at least it asks me if i am sure i want to delete the item.

Wicked Phone.

P.S. I agree about the P800, Completely different markets. The P800 competes better with the 9210 (which i personally don't like)

Hello Zark,

I am based on Singapore and have registered with Club Nokia. However, I can NOT upload my pictures from the "Images" application.

I can login just fine to www.club.nokia.com or www.club.nokia.uk. I can even access the Photo Zone. But how the hell do I upload?

I am sure it should be the same, UK or Singapore, but I am puzzled.

To all,

As far as the P800, I have LOST my faith in Sony Ericsson since I ditched my T68. You know how SLOOOW the OS is?

Also, I have the iPaq 3970, so I carry 2 devices. NOTHING, at least not currently, can replace the 7650 and iPaq 3970 combo. P800 can NOT, compared to my 3970, allows 802.11b connection, VPN, telnet, full web browsing using IE, MP3 with 1 GB IBM Microdrive, etc.

Remember, a phone is a phone and a PDA is a PDA. However, how you use your devices dependes heavily on you.

OK, I'll stop now... 😃

lanwarrior2000, have you activated the photo zone on the club nokia web site?

I don't think you can access it with your phone until you have logged into the web site with your ID and then Explicitly activated the Photo ZOne by accepting the term and conditions.

Hello Guest,

Here's what I did:

1. Login to www.club.nokia.co.uk (previously registered)
2. Once inside, click on "Photo" (Left Menu)
3. Click on "Access Photo Zone"
4. I am in. (click on Photo Album, upload image, etc...etc..)

From the phone, still can not upload image.

BTW, what is the image server address used ON THE PHONE ITSELF for uploading image? By DEFAULT, I have http://www.club.nokia.com.

Turn out that I must use the INTERNET GPRS Access Point, NOT the WAP GPRS Access Point.

Thanks for the help all!

AKA Guest

Ahh nice one m8, wouldn't have thought of that probably. Well have fun uploading

Whoops, I guess I bumped into a bunch of Nokia worshipers. 😉

If 7650 is not supposed to be a PDA, what is it then? Just a very expensive phone with a toy-camera? PDA means 'Personal Digital Assistant' and not 'handheld device with a touch-screen'.

If you want just a good phone, then buy a T68i or Nokia 7210/6610. If you want a good PDA+phone in one device then buy a P800 (or, if you don't mind the size, Nokia 9210). If you want a small and light phone and a separate larger PDA (because you don't need it all the time), then buy an IPaq (which, I agree, is more powerful than the P800) and an e.g. SE T68i. But, why on earth would anybody want something like a 7650? 😮

Oh, yeah, I forgot. Zark, the P800 does have a numeric keypad so you can use it with only one hand too. You can use the jog-dial with either your thumb or your index finger so both left handed and right handed people can use it.

So, for phone functions (phone calls, messages, contacts, ...) you can use the P800 like any other phone with a numeric keypad. And, for PDA-functions you can (if you want) just flip the keypad open and use stylus+touch screen. What a great device! I am definitely getting one...

There is a difference,

The 7650 is a phone with (some) PDA capabilities - It has very limited Calendar and Contacts functionality and you are able to install a very limited amount of 3rd party programs

The P800 is more like a PDA with phone capabilities ( like the XDA, but not as good). And yes i would call having a touch screen with handwriting recognitin a function of a PDA.

As i said before, i think that the P800 should be compared with the 9210 or even The XDA (Which i believe is an altogether better system) and not the 7650.

When it comes down to it, how many more features does the 7650 have that any other nokia phone doesn't (the 6310 for instance)?

Colour screen - So does that make the Samsung T100 a PDA?
Camera - Does that make any of the Digital Cameras out there PDA's
MMS - Supposedly the successor to SMS, all phones will have it soon enough.

And i really am not a nokia worshipper, take my stance on the 9210 for instance

@enigma:

Yes, the feature list stands against the 7650 and for the P800. But did you compare the usability ?

7650 is available, it has no need to use both hands (car usage !!!) and it is much more compact than the P800 (as far as we know).

Just put both phones in your trousers the whole day and you will see...

Just my 0.02 - there is some more - concepts just differ !!!

Andy

Hi enigma,

I just use a Palm and the 7650 - it works.

Andy

[quote="enigma"]Whoops, I guess I bumped into a bunch of Nokia worshipers. 😉

If 7650 is not supposed to be a PDA, what is it then? Just a very expensive phone with a toy-camera? PDA means 'Personal Digital Assistant' and not 'handheld device with a touch-screen'.

If you want just a good phone, then buy a T68i or Nokia 7210/6610. If you want a good PDA+phone in one device then buy a P800 (or, if you don't mind the size, Nokia 9210). If you want a small and light phone and a separate larger PDA (because you don't need it all the time), then buy an IPaq (which, I agree, is more powerful than the P800) and an e.g. SE T68i. But, why on earth would anybody want something like a 7650? 😮[/quote]

No, not Nokia worshippers... Just someone that likes the phone - no matter what the brand is. For me it is really strange to come to a forum dedicated for 7650 discussions and tell them to get a P800. I'd say that person is a more of a SonyEricsson worshipper than those that are discussing the phone the forum is dedicated to.

Have you used the 7650? For how long? What has made you hate 7650 so much that you come here and troll?

For me 7650 is a phone I use to communicate with my mates. I regard PDA as something for business usage - for more business oriented communication (spreadsheets etc.) and that 7650 is not... Yes, it can do some PDA stuff, but not that much I'd call it a PDA.

I don't want to carry around two pieces of equipment (iPAQ + some phone), for me the 7650 is a perfect combination of a great UI and usability and features + I can install new apps to it. The camera is OK for quick snaps on various situations I wouldn't have pictures of pre-7650.

[quote="enigma"]Oh, yeah, I forgot. Zark, the P800 does have a numeric keypad so you can use it with only one hand too. You can use the jog-dial with either your thumb or your index finger so both left handed and right handed people can use it.

So, for phone functions (phone calls, messages, contacts, ...) you can use the P800 like any other phone with a numeric keypad. And, for PDA-functions you can (if you want) just flip the keypad open and use stylus+touch screen. What a great device! I am definitely getting one...[/quote]

Sure, I want to play around with one when I have the chance. But currently the concept really doesn't seem that nice. I want to have the full functionality to be available for easy usage without touchscreens and keypad flips. Also, I'm not yet too convinced on the index finger usage for left handed people. But lets wait and see when the phone is out and decide then how good it is.

[quote="dswskinner"]The 7650 is a phone with (some) PDA capabilities - It has very limited Calendar and Contacts functionality and you are able to install a very limited amount of 3rd party programs[/quote]

You're right, the 7650 is just too limited for its price... 😉 And, if it's so limited like you say, then why would anybody want to buy it?

[quote="dswskinner"]The P800 is more like a PDA with phone capabilities ( like the XDA, but not as good). And yes i would call having a touch screen with handwriting recognitin a function of a PDA. [/quote]

The P800 is a phone with PDA functions, and the XDA is a PDA with phone functions. There is a difference, the XDA is just too wide to be used as a normal phone. And, it uses crappy M$ software. :evil: I like the P800 more because I need a phone more than I need a PDA (and I do need both) and I don't want to be holding a plate to my head when making a phone call. 😃

[quote="dswskinner"]As i said before, i think that the P800 should be compared with the 9210 or even The XDA (Which i believe is an altogether better system) and not the 7650.[/quote]

OK, so with what can you compare a 7650 if not P800? Can somebody, please, explain to me what is the purpose of this phone, if that purpose is different from the one of P800?

9210, on the other hand, IS a different category than these two phones, you can't really compare it with P800 nor even XDA. And you think that the P800 is more similair to the 9210 than it is to 7650?!? Did you even look at these devices?

I think that you don't want to compare these two phones just because it is so obvious that the P800 kicks 7650's ass big time. 😃

@Andy:

Like I said before, you CAN use the P800 with only one hand. And what makes you think that the 7650 is much more compact than the P800?!?

@Zark:

I didn't tell anybody to buy a P800, I was just wondering why did people buy their 7650 (because I don't understand why anybody would want to)? I've had a 7650 (no, I didn't buy it) for about 3 weeks now. Sure, it was cool to use it for the first couple of days, but now it seems just like an oversized fancy phone. It's not really a PDA (hard to input text with only a numeric keypad) so it is just an expensive phone with a toy-camera.

Hi, me again... 😃

[quote="Andy"]
I just use a Palm and the 7650 - it works.
[/quote]

I'm sure it does work, but if you already had a Palm, why did you buy another large and expensive big-screen PDA-wannabe device like the 7650? Wouldn't it be better if you just bought a normal phone (lighter, smaller) and use that with yout Palm? Why did you need a 7650? Isn't it inpractical to carry two big devices around?

I think the main thing to remember is that Nokia see the 7650 as an Imaging phone. i.e. not as a PDA - that it has a few extra functions is a bonus. Its intended that the main focus of the device is using the camera and then use of SMS. E-mail is ther as an alternative sending mechanism.

The contacts and agenda software is probably much better than Nokia would have built because it is a symbian product. (i.e. I'm trying to say that you get the pda functions that you do because its based on Symbian OS not because Nokia designed them in). Let face it for the screen size the 7650 isn't too bad as a simple address book diary, but if you want anything more well then you'll be looking at a P800.

IMHO the 7650 and P800 are in different markets. Nokia will probably launch something in one of its mid range categories (the one between communicator [9210] and imaging [7650]).

The 7650 is available for �80 with a contract in some places (�120 on a realistic contract), and so can be quite cheap.

I do agree however that the 7650 will be in trouble if the P800 has similar pricing plans because if it does and given the relative similarity in size I think the P800 may win out.

Rafe

Boy, I sure have opened a can of worm now! 😃

Allright, I'll join the fray! 😃

I think the P800 is a great concept, but it doesn't fit my need as the PDA+Phone combo.

PDA no longer function just for calendar, to-do, and other PIM type things. Phone no longer just become a communication tools either. Both have extra functionalities that try to combine the best of both world.
i.e. PDA have phone functionality (P800, Treo) and Phone have PDA functionality (calendar, to-do)

What falls short is how company manufacturer it. If the P800 use the standard CF or SD memory card format, I'd love it! It provide I/O input (GPS add-on, 1GB Microdrive, etc.). Too bad Sony is pushing their own proprietary Memory Stick. The P800 handwriting recognition remains to be seen... In comparison, PocketPC2002 Transcriber features allow handwriting recognition that is very good, so good it allows me to write notes during meeting (although not 80 WPM).

So all in all, how you use the device really makes a whole lot difference. For now I like the ability to talk on the phone and write notes on my PDA.

Enigma, I don't agree that the 7650 is expensive for what it does. I have just paid �150 for mine on contract , which i'd just like to point out that the contract is the one that i was going to get anyway and didn't get some rip off deal.

And as for the P800, we really don't know how much it is going to cost. But i'm betting you won't be able to get it for anywhere near �150.

But if i am proved wrong and the prices are comparable then i apologise in advance.

I do object to your question about why would anyone want to buy it. I don't think it is a valid question. Why would anyone want to buy Nike trainers when the can buy Puma trainers? It's all a matter of personal choice. In fact i think the question should be why would anyone not want to buy this phone?? it does everything it is supposed too, it is very easy to use (intuitive and quick UI), it is available to buy now. I'll add that i've never had a problem with a Nokia phone (i've owned 4) but have experienced plenty of problems with Sony/Erricsson phones.

[quote="dswskinner"]I'll add that i've never had a problem with a Nokia phone (i've owned 4) but have experienced plenty of problems with Sony/Erricsson phones.[/quote]

Aha, I knew it! This IS really about the manufacturers and not about the phones. Thanks, you've just answered my original quiestion. 😉

p800 IS ugly....at least for me... 8)

[quote="Rafe"]The contacts and agenda software is probably much better than Nokia would have built because it is a symbian product. (i.e. I'm trying to say that you get the pda functions that you do because its based on Symbian OS not because Nokia designed them in).[/quote]

I agree with Rafe mostly. But I must say that the 7650 has memory problems even for a smartphone. 3,6 MB memory is used too easily with just a few installed applications, downloaded email / MMS messages and stuff like that.

My 7650 just came back from one week's maintenance after the phone's memory had filled. I didn't get it back working, it was reporting "Memory Full" and its OS didn't load anymore.

This happened after I had received two SMS messages in short period. The phone did not warn that it was running out of memory so I was totally surprised when it crashed like MS Windows 3.11 in the old days.

The phone wasn't even repaired, so I got a whole new phone. I sure wish there was more memory even for a smartphone and of course better memory management so that this kind of problems would not occur again.

For 7650 owners: Be warned! Don't let your phone's memory run out. And make those backups! I finally managed to restore a few weeks old backup from PC Suite today after a few hours work since the PC Suite first reported that the backup files were corrupt.

Tero

P.S. For those of you who want to know: yes, I still got the same software v3.12. 😞

Is it me, or are Nokia loosing the plot a little.

We have the memory problem with the 9210 that still only has 8Mb executable memory. Now the 7650 with only 3.6Mb storage.

Perhaps I've got this wrong, but (IMHO) giving the 9210 12Mb executable memory and the 7650 8Mb storage would have added very little to the cost of the devices and had little impact on the battery life.

I just can't understand why Nokia can come up with devices which are "potentially" fantastic, and then restrict that potential by limiting the memory capacity.
I don't think it is a restriction of the Symbian OS, since Psion devices did not have these problems.
At most, what would it have cost them an extra �5/10 max. Things like USB and also GPRS on the 9210, I understand. Significant cost involved in development etc.
But an extra 4Mb memory, I just don't get it.

OK, rant over.

I just hope the SonyEricsson P800 has plenty of executable memory. Not read how much executable memory it has, hopefully enough to not run into out of memory errors like the 9210. I know the PocketPCs have a system where the same memory is shared between program execution and data storage. If that is how the P800 is done, then potentially, that could leave close to 12Mb free for executable memory if all additional software is stored on the memory card.

Rant really over.

Zuber

Some of the posts here have been really exciting! Good to get some hot debate off the ground. Here's what I think;

The P800 is of the same broad category as the 7650, but more specced up, way more! It means that the P800 is aimed at a different market.

The P800 will have no memory problems. Not only has it got ample internal memory, it will also accept the Memory Stick Duo which will boost it up to 128Mb

Carphone Warehouse are advertising the P800 as costing �499.99 - I guess this is with a contract since this is the only price they are offering at the moment.

I thought the PIM functionality of the 7650 looked great (going by the My-Communicator review).

Nokia seems to think that people don't like too much RAM. Looking at the 9210 and the 7650, I wonder why the heck they didn't shove a bit more dang memory into the devices.

The 7650 looks far more slimline in the photos than it does in real life.

Nevertheless, I'm not likely to be able to afford a P800 and I have an upgrade option waiting for me with Orange, so I'll probably get this..... maybe..... if I can justify it....... hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[quote="Zuber"]I just hope the SonyEricsson P800 has plenty of executable memory. Not read how much executable memory it has, hopefully enough to not run into out of memory errors like the 9210. I know the PocketPCs have a system where the same memory is shared between program execution and data storage. If that is how the P800 is done, then potentially, that could leave close to 12Mb free for executable memory if all additional software is stored on the memory card.
[/quote]

Agree with Zuber it does seem strange that they limit these phones. Why - well tehy say it is usfficient for peoples use, and while those who dont use the phone to it full potential may get by this is ridiculous. Also the reaosn is that 3 years ago when development of the phone started 4mb would have seemed like a lot for a phone, but really it is short sited.

AFAIK the P800 12 Mbyte is going to be for running program storing stuff so potentially will have 4x the memory running ability of the 92x0.